Alabama QBs in 2024

[davefrat]

The previous four QBs did pretty well, no?

The last quality QB coach we had was Sark and he left after 2020.

We’ve only had two starters since then (Young and Milroe).

Bryce thrived in spite of BoB and BoB didn’t even try to develop the guys behind Bryce.

Not sure how many, if any, of the current QBs on the roster were even in the room with Sark or Kiffin before him.

 

[gtgilbert]

So, did CKD mean nobody else is getting time with the 1s except Jalen? That's NOT what we've heard.

OR did he mean when Jalen gets snaps he's only working with the 1s?

At any rate, why don't these guys ask about TS, Mack or DL???

FWIW, even though he's asked about JM , CKD comments on the depth of the QB room and says the other guys have opportunities too, but he doesn't go into specifics.

I think we should also look at the other positions to see if someone lining up with the 1's is meaningful yet.

Basically at every position, it's been the legacy depth chart, slid up for departures. The only exception is where we have a different style of play and player profile for one of the edge players that's caused a bit of shuffle.

My understanding is that the only transfers who are toward the front of their respective lines are Sabb and Jackson and they are at positions where we are decimated from a depth standpoint and there are few options other than them.

The all-conference Brailsford, behind returners. Bertrand on the OL? Behind returning players. Bernard at WR? Behind returning players. Didn't hear anything about Cuevas at TE.

CKD isn't going to come and and completely shake up the team dynamic in the first 3-5 practices. He's got to let things play out and then have reasons for any moves and up and down the depth chart who is taking what reps. When we get to more 'live fire' in at least scrimmage situations where they are tasked with executing a short, quick and efficient passing game is where some opinions will really start to be formed and possible moves up and down will happen.

I've read the recent article that seems to be claiming the short passing game will be something new for this Alabama offense. That's just simply not the case though. The short and intermediate game was a major part of last years designed scheme. It just didn't get executed well. Route concepts did work and guys were open on time, but they didn't get the ball...

 

[irvingtontide]

The last quality QB coach we had was Sark and he left after 2020.

We’ve only had two starters since then (Young and Milroe).

Bryce thrived in spite of BoB and BoB didn’t even try to develop the guys behind Bryce.

Not sure how many, if any, of the current QBs on the roster were even in the room with Sark or Kiffin before him.

Are we sure he didn’t try to develop the backups or are we saying this because he thought milroe didn’t fit the role of QB? I’ve seen this mentioned before but it’s always just been disgruntled comments directed at BOB.
I’ve said it before I'm not a fan of BOB. I just can’t see Saban letting him neglect the QB rooms development as a whole.

 

[BamaSully]

It's not a matter of can, but will.

Deboer isn't like many posters here, afraid to fail. Real high-performers always believe they are the next GOAT, they just need the right opportunity.

If Deboer is looking over his shoulder, or worried about appearance then he was the wrong hire.

My guess (and I'd bet a lot of money on this) is that he's not. As a driven professional, I'll bet dollars to donuts he doesn't care what people want - other than wins.

Amen, amen, and amen

They’re playing this out every day in practice, in the film room, in the weight room, in the locker room, in the meeting room, and any other place where the coaches can interact with the players and watch them interact with each other.

Thank the good Lord in Heaven that it isn’t playing out on Tidefans!

🤣🤣🤣

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Are we sure he didn’t try to develop the backups or are we saying this because he thought milroe didn’t fit the role of QB? I’ve seen this mentioned before but it’s always just been disgruntled comments directed at BOB.
I’ve said it before I'm not a fan of BOB. I just can’t see Saban letting him neglect the QB rooms development as a whole.

Two words....Pete Gold*ng. And here are two more words... five years.

 

[irvingtontide]

Two words....Pete Gold*ng. And here are two more words... five years.

Being a mediocre coach and not putting any effort into coaching your group is two totally different problems. Plus golding being good at recruiting probably was a factor in him being in Tuscaloosa as long as he was. I don’t think BOB was as good a recruiter as golding either.

 

[BamaSully]

I will say that if Jalen holds onto QB1 and starts the 1st game it will be because he has improved a lot and is the Best QB we have on the roster to run CKD's Offense and none of the others could beat him out.

A lot of my doubt is tied to 2017 tbh because we know CNS had a tendency to favor certain players whether they were the best or not.

You can't convince me that Tua wasn't ready or the best choice to be QB1 until 30 mins left in the season.

So that plus the USF mutiny has created a lot of doubt for me with the order of our QB room.

I may be alone on this, and that will be fine with me, but I cannot agree with your point at all.

I absolutely DO NOT know that Saban did anything other than to play every conceivable angle to give the team the best chance to win. The results speak for themselves.

You’re right I can’t convince you of anything and the only one who could would be Nick Saban. He could probably, but certainly wouldn’t, tell you EXACTLY why Jalen gave the team the best chance to win, right up until the point that the GOAT saw otherwise and made the switch.

Give the man credit. He knew what he was doing.

 

[gtgilbert]

I may be alone on this, and that will be fine with me, but I cannot agree with your point at all.

I absolutely DO NOT know that Saban did anything other than to play every conceivable angle to give the team the best chance to win. The results speak for themselves.

You’re right I can’t convince you of anything and the only one who could would be Nick Saban. He could probably, but certainly wouldn’t, tell you EXACTLY why Jalen gave the team the best chance to win, right up until the point that the GOAT saw otherwise and made the switch.

Give the man credit. He knew what he was doing.

Saban is the GOAT, undeniably so. that's without question. Even the GOAT is human, and can make mistakes.

Back to the Hurts situation - the OC, the WRs and most of the team were calling for change. Saban held fast and I am sure he had his reasons. maybe he thought Tua would make to many mistakes (2nd and 26 was 26 for a reason, remember), maybe he was overly loyal to a player. Whatever the reasons were, that doesn't mean he was right 100% of the time.

Take the situation with Dalcourt over the last 3 seasons. He was the weak link in the OL for almost an entire season in 21, with a frustrating level of play. When he got hurt, SM came in and the OL was instantly better across the board. 22 rolls around, and despite the improvement with SM playing the last few games of 21, DD is starting again, with the same results for several games. SM finally replaces him with the same result, the OL got way better, almost instantly. At that point at the end of 22, DD was a 5th year guy, but we invite him back for a 6th COVID year in 23, but now moves over and he starts at OG. It does NOT go well. He is eventually replaced by Roberts, and again, the OL play improves immediately. No break in period really, no 'dang that guy looks good and once he gets experience will be great', nothing like that - just instantly better. I'm sure there are reason DD was given the extra oppty to start in 22 and 23, but whatever those reasons were, they don't appear to be correct.

Again, Saban is the GOAT, and would be right in decision on what players to play way, way, way more often than he was wrong, but clearly not perfect.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Being a mediocre coach and not putting any effort into coaching your group is two totally different problems. Plus golding being good at recruiting probably was a factor in him being in Tuscaloosa as long as he was. I don’t think BOB was as good a recruiter as golding either.

The end results were the same, mediocre to bad performance based on talent level. This is a results driven endeavor.

 

[BamaSully]

Saban is the GOAT, undeniably so. that's without question. Even the GOAT is human, and can make mistakes.

Back to the Hurts situation - the OC, the WRs and most of the team were calling for change. Saban held fast and I am sure he had his reasons. maybe he thought Tua would make to many mistakes (2nd and 26 was 26 for a reason, remember), maybe he was overly loyal to a player. Whatever the reasons were, that doesn't mean he was right 100% of the time.

Take the situation with Dalcourt over the last 3 seasons. He was the weak link in the OL for almost an entire season in 21, with a frustrating level of play. When he got hurt, SM came in and the OL was instantly better across the board. 22 rolls around, and despite the improvement with SM playing the last few games of 21, DD is starting again, with the same results for several games. SM finally replaces him with the same result, the OL got way better, almost instantly. At that point at the end of 22, DD was a 5th year guy, but we invite him back for a 6th COVID year in 23, but now moves over and he starts at OG. It does NOT go well. He is eventually replaced by Roberts, and again, the OL play improves immediately. No break in period really, no 'dang that guy looks good and once he gets experience will be great', nothing like that - just instantly better. I'm sure there are reason DD was given the extra oppty to start in 22 and 23, but whatever those reasons were, they don't appear to be correct.

Again, Saban is the GOAT, and would be right in decision on what players to play way, way, way more often than he was wrong, but clearly not perfect.

Point taken

 

[irvingtontide]

The end results were the same, mediocre to bad performance based on talent level. This is a results driven endeavor.

It may be result driven but Saban was all about the process. I’m willing to bet no where in that process was he going to accept his OC being lazy and not trying to coach his position group.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

It may be result driven but Saban was all about the process. I’m willing to bet no where in that process was he going to accept his OC being lazy and not trying to coach his position group.

Saban is also human and had his own blind spots. One of them was being loyal to a fault when people like BOB and Goldung should have been cut loose, especially Goldung. He was here three years too long. Knowing football and being able to translate it to players and have them execute it are completely different. Neither of them seemed to be able to do that while at Bama.

 

[davefrat]

Are we sure he didn’t try to develop the backups or are we saying this because he thought milroe didn’t fit the role of QB? I’ve seen this mentioned before but it’s always just been disgruntled comments directed at BOB.
I’ve said it before I'm not a fan of BOB. I just can’t see Saban letting him neglect the QB rooms development as a whole.

There were posts from some credible members here that BoB actually told Milroe that he wasn't a QB and should switch positions. But that's purely anecdotal.

But if you look at how little development there was in players like Milroe and Simpson, and since BoB was the one tasked with teaching them, then one would likely have to conclude that he either didn't do a very good job coaching them up, or, they are either uncoachable or incompetent at the position.

I don't think anyone would reasonably argue that we weren't in a better position in terms of QB coaching when we had Sark and Kiffin in charge of that department as opposed to BoB and to a lesser extent, Rees.

Kiffin took a dude who played every position but kicker and punter and turned him into an all-SEC QB in basically one season.

 

[davefrat]

It may be result driven but Saban was all about the process. I’m willing to bet no where in that process was he going to accept his OC being lazy and not trying to coach his position group.

I think over the last 3 seasons Saban was at times trying to keep the process running with duct tape and hope.

Anyone else in charge may have presided over a team that completely came apart internally and on the field, yet he was able to manage 2 SEC titles, 2 playoff berths, one NC game appearance, and one Heisman winner.

Rather than showing him slipping, I think the last three seasons proved how great he truly is.

 

[Cruloc]

There were posts from some credible members here that BoB actually told Milroe that he wasn't a QB and should switch positions. But that's purely anecdotal.

But if you look at how little development there was in players like Milroe and Simpson, and since BoB was the one tasked with teaching them, then one would likely have to conclude that he either didn't do a very good job coaching them up, or, they are either uncoachable or incompetent at the position.

I don't think anyone would reasonably argue that we weren't in a better position in terms of QB coaching when we had Sark and Kiffin in charge of that department as opposed to BoB and to a lesser extent, Rees.

Kiffin took a dude who played every position but kicker and punter and turned him into an all-SEC QB in basically one season.

Alabama QB Jalen Milroe says former Crimson Tide OC Bill O'Brien told him he 'shouldn't play quarterback'

Milroe's two wins away from a national championship and letting his past doubters know it.

sports.yahoo.com

How is it anecdotal exactly? Milroe stated it himself.

 

[davefrat]

Alabama QB Jalen Milroe says former Crimson Tide OC Bill O'Brien told him he 'shouldn't play quarterback'

Milroe's two wins away from a national championship and letting his past doubters know it.

sports.yahoo.com

How is it anecdotal exactly? Milroe stated it himself.

I stand corrected...even more convincing proof that BoB didn't try to develop him.

 

[irvingtontide]

I stand corrected...even more convincing proof that BoB didn't try to develop him.

Or maybe the previous NFL and college HC/OC thought he was more suited for another position or that he was further behind then he should have been. According to REC members Saban told milroe and Ty they wasn’t good enough last spring and that he was bringing in another qb. Does that mean Saban gave up on coaching both of them? Like i said that doesn’t mean BOB never tried to coach him. Which was my point.
You could say he was a horrible QB coach and he very well might have been.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Wow. We're just not going to know anything much until late August. CKD isn't going to name a starter until then. He's not even going to show favoritism. Nor should he at this point. Trying to analyze his words is just plain silly.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

The all-conference Brailsford, behind returners. Bertrand on the OL?

Sounds like Brailsford is now with the 1st team FWIW that may not be a lot 🤷‍♂️

 

[Ole Man Dan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770575272313581713

Kalen DeBoer says on @Tide1009 that Jalen Milroe has taken every snap with the first team this spring. “We have some great ones in the room. Jalen certainly has been headlining that room and done a great job there.”

That quote was kinda unfortunate. Sounds like a better version of last year. Unfortunately we have a tougher schedule. So Milroe 2.0 had better play better. Sure he had no problems playing Vandy. but better teams all had better Defenses and word was out. Double Team Milroe...
Here's hoping part of Milroe's practice time has been on improving reading Defense, and including short yardage passes to receivers and Running Backs.
When I said unfortunate earlier I meant it in the fact that part of our other Quarterbacks just might start looking for a landing spot, when the Portal reopens. I call that unfortunate.