Alabama QBs in 2024

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davefrat

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I do enjoy the comments that a lot of folks don't believe in improvement with more experience.

No, it's more along the lines of the mountainous climb some might have to reach a level of improvement that's necessary.

Milroe would need a Burrow like metamorphosis. Could he do it, sure. Does he appear to have a good work ethic and practice well, sure. There are basic fundamentals he needs improvement on.

If Milroe improves slightly, that's a plus sure. To run a DeBoer offense that has its strengths where Milroe has his most glaring weakness??? That's the question.
IF Milroe wins the starting job, that means DeBoer thinks he's the best option that we have...doesn't necessarily mean he's exactly what DeBoer wants...same as if anyone else wins the job.

How often does a coach get exactly the player they want at a position like QB?

I would think that's a real rarity.
 

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IF Milroe wins the starting job, that means DeBoer thinks he's the best option that we have...doesn't necessarily mean he's exactly what DeBoer wants...same as if anyone else wins the job.

How often does a coach get exactly the player they want at a position like QB?

I would think that's a real rarity.
I think he already has the job locked down right now.
 

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IF Milroe wins the starting job, that means DeBoer thinks he's the best option that we have...doesn't necessarily mean he's exactly what DeBoer wants...same as if anyone else wins the job.

How often does a coach get exactly the player they want at a position like QB?

I would think that's a real rarity.
If he wins the job, then yes, he is DeBoer's best option.

My point though....DeBoer's type of offense relies on a QB that can do certain things.....the same certain things that Milroe has never shown to be able to do proficiently. If Milroe is the QB, then we either have DeBoer changing the offense to fit Milroe....or Milroe being able to do what's required to run what has been the usual DeBoer offense.
 

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If he wins the job, then yes, he is DeBoer's best option.

My point though....DeBoer's type of offense relies on a QB that can do certain things.....the same certain things that Milroe has never shown to be able to do proficiently. If Milroe is the QB, then we either have DeBoer changing the offense to fit Milroe....or Milroe being able to do what's required to run what has been the usual DeBoer offense.
Or he’s better than anyone else on the roster at running DeBoer’s offense even is that may not be as well as say, Penix, ran it.

After all, if we’ve failed to develop QBs over the last several years maybe we’ve also failed to properly evaluate recruits at the position.
 

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Or he’s better than anyone else on the roster at running DeBoer’s offense even is that may not be as well as say, Penix, ran it.

After all, if we’ve failed to develop QBs over the last several years maybe we’ve also failed to properly evaluate recruits at the position.
Indeed :unsure:
 

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I do also. A lot of folks on here don't believe in improvement with another year of experience and confidence. I have said this multiple times but I do know I got better at my job in year two with another year of experience but some may have not have. I don't know if Jalen will be our starter but I do know just about everybody gets better at what they do with more experience.
There's no doubt improvement can happen. I don't think anyone is denying that. The issue is that the things he needs to improve upon are things that just do not happen overnight. The ability to read a defense especially, is just one of those inmate things that it either clicks or it doesn't. The fact that he's entering year 4 in college and it still hasn't clicked, doesn't really inspire hope that he's going to suddenly pick that up over the summer.
 
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IF Milroe wins the starting job, that means DeBoer thinks he's the best option that we have...doesn't necessarily mean he's exactly what DeBoer wants...same as if anyone else wins the job.

How often does a coach get exactly the player they want at a position like QB?

I would think that's a real rarity.
It might mean Jalen is pretty close to what DeBoer wants. His running skills is an added bonus. He seemed eager to work that in to his offense.
 
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There's no doubt improvement can happen. I don't think anyone is denying that. The issue is that the things he needs to improve upon are things that just do not happen overnight. The ability to read a defense especially, is just one of those inmate things that it either clicks or it doesn't. The fact that he's entering year 4 in college and it still hasn't clicked, doesn't really inspire hope that he's going to suddenly pick that up over the summer.
You seriously think reading defenses can't be improved upon? So you are born with it or you are not?

He has a spring (15 practices) and camp (29 practices). That's not sudden or overnight.

I expect most all of our players to get better with these 44 practices with the more reps they get.

I am not saying Jalen will be the starter (but I think he will) but some of act as though he is a bum that can not possibly improve parts of his game.
 

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You seriously think reading defenses can't be improved upon? So you are born with it or you are not?

He has a spring (15 practices) and camp (29 practices). That's not sudden or overnight.

I expect most all of our players to get better with these 44 practices with the more reps they get.

I am not saying Jalen will be the starter (but I think he will) but some of act as though he is a bum that can not possibly improve parts of his game.
Milroe will undoubtedly improve in some aspects of his game. Some here act like the things he needs to improve on can just happen in one off season. He's got habits he's formed that need to be fixed. If he can simply learn to read the DE and be consistent on read option plays, I'd consider that an improvement.

To run DeBoer's offense however....he needs Burrow like improvement.
 

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I can't tell in the following if Sheridan is referring ("they're") to all of the quarterbacks or to just the ones behind Milroe. The headline and earlier statement that Milroe has taken every first-string rep indicates that the writer sees #1 locked up. I don't know what the lead in question or statement was before Sheridan said this.

"They're competing," said offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Nick Sheridan on Tuesday. "Yeah, I think that's a really talented group and great kids. And I'm excited about the group. I think there's some young players that are very talented, and they're getting better as well."
 
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You seriously think reading defenses can't be improved upon? So you are born with it or you are not?

He has a spring (15 practices) and camp (29 practices). That's not sudden or overnight.

I expect most all of our players to get better with these 44 practices with the more reps they get.

I am not saying Jalen will be the starter (but I think he will) but some of act as though he is a bum that can not possibly improve parts of his game.
I never said it couldn't be improved upon. I clearly said it could, but it's not simply that easy, especially if you just don't have "it", and it sounds like Jalen doesn't. All I said was it's not as cut and dry as some of the other things that could be worked on. It can be taught, but not as easily as some of these other things.

44 practices is a long time, but not compared to what he's already had. It would be unreasonable to expect something from him in 5 months that he hasn't done in 4 years. I'll be shocked if he ends up being the QB in September.
 
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I can't tell in the following if Sheridan is referring ("they're") to all of the quarterbacks or to just the ones behind Milroe. The headline and earlier statement that Milroe has taken every first-string rep indicates that the writer sees #1 locked up. I don't know what the lead in question or statement was before Sheridan said this.
I guess you can look at it that way based on not knowing the lead in question and depending on what side you are on. It's still an open competition as it should be and we will see who our starter will be in the fall but it appears Jalen is doing enough to hold onto the starting job so far since he has taken all the snaps with the 1's.
 

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I never said it couldn't be improved upon. I clearly said it could, but it's not simply that easy, especially if you just don't have "it", and it sounds like Jalen doesn't. All I said was it's not as cut and dry as some of the other things that could be worked on. It can be taught, but not as easily as some of these other things.
You basically did on reading defenses and I think the mental part of the game is easier to overcome than the physical and you can get better with time and experience which he is getting right now.
 

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Milroe was a fallback plan for that class, after we didn't get either of the couple of guys we were really targeting.
We did have Drake Maye committed early but when he decommited Sark went after Jalen. He was the #82 player overall, 4* recruit according to 247Sports coming out of Katy HS in Texas and played in the Under Armour All-star game. Pretty good fallback plan IMO.
 

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I can't tell in the following if Sheridan is referring ("they're") to all of the quarterbacks or to just the ones behind Milroe. The headline and earlier statement that Milroe has taken every first-string rep indicates that the writer sees #1 locked up. I don't know what the lead in question or statement was before Sheridan said this.
He was ask about the quarterback room in general, I took his reply to mean all four were competing.
 

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You basically did on reading defenses and I think the mental part of the game is easier to overcome than the physical and you can get better with time and experience which he is getting right now.
He has had 3 years of time and experience to make improvements and he hasn’t done it yet. The issues are both mental and physical. A lot more than just reading defenses.
 
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