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JustNeedMe81 said:
Sir.. Nevermind. You pretty much proved my point. Oh well. Have a great day!
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Unless your point was that Milroe being the QB was a major factor in Bond leaving, I don't think I re-enforced it at all. If that was your point, it certainly wasn't clear since you seemed to be saying folks are blaming him leaving on Milroe when they shouldn't be even thought the quotes certainly seem to imply going to play for a better QB was part of the decision process.

JustNeedMe81 said:
I think you just took it wide left. That's not what i said. Saban offense is pro style... CKD is Air Raid.....

That was the point. *Shrug*
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You said the new offense would feature the WR/TE/RB in the passing game more. Regardless of what you call the scheme "pro-style" or "Air Raid" the Saban offense was very prolific in generating passing yards with the WR/RB/TE.

Penix across 15 games - 363 comp on 555 att for 4900 yards

Young across 15 games - 366 comp on 547 att for 4872 yards

Mac Jones across just 13 games in a short season - 311 comp on 402 att for 4500 yards. If you extrapolate his numbers into a non-covid-shortened season of 15 games he would have been 359 on 464 for 5192!!

Net, the Saban offense was clearly just as likely to call a pass play as a run play (at least with our most recent QBs who are not named Milroe) as UW was to call a pass play in their scheme. Who do you think was on the receiving end of all those pass plays from Young and Jones if it wasn't the WR/TE/RBs?
 
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gtgilbert said:
Unless your point was that Milroe being the QB was a major factor in Bond leaving, I don't think I re-enforced it at all. If that was your point, it certainly wasn't clear since you seemed to be saying folks are blaming him leaving on Milroe when they shouldn't be even thought the quotes certainly seem to imply going to play for a better QB was part of the decision process.



You said the new offense would feature the WR/TE/RB in the passing game more. Regardless of what you call the scheme "pro-style" or "Air Raid" the Saban offense was very prolific in generating passing yards with the WR/RB/TE.

Penix across 15 games - 363 comp on 555 att for 4900 yards

Young across 15 games - 366 comp on 547 att for 4872 yards

Mac Jones across just 13 games in a short season - 311 comp on 402 att for 4500 yards. If you extrapolate his numbers into a non-covid-shortened season of 15 games he would have been 359 on 464 for 5192!!

Net, the Saban offense was clearly just as likely to call a pass play as a run play (at least with our most recent QBs who are not named Milroe) as UW was to call a pass play in their scheme. Who do you think was on the receiving end of all those pass plays from Young and Jones if it wasn't the WR/TE/RBs?
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True. And Washington ran the ball more than people realize. It's not the number of pass plays. It's the offensive schemes they (DeBoer) used.
 
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Bama9001 said:
My biggest concern is that it seems CKD anointed JM as the starter before he even saw him practice. He needs to understand that it's not his job to make the prior coach, or me, or certain players happy. Just naming a guy as the starter, in a new offense, that you've never seen play, and that has a number of critical weaknesses on film, seems like setting yourself up for failure. Especially if you haven't even seen the other QBs. Head scratching situation. Maybe I'm over-thinking this too much and he's just skillfully finessing this situation...hope so. If JM improves and turns out to be the best QB then so be it...wouldn't be the first time I was wrong

I keep hearing that TS was clearly the best QB in the last two scrimmages so I'm really concerned about what's going on. TS seemed a bit frail last year...anybody know if he's bulked up and gotten any more solid?

All that said, I wouldn't want to end up playing against JM or TS if they ended up at some place like Auburn or Ole Miss.
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The way I see it the SEC is obviously a tougher place to play when league play begins and LSU in particular has it's game on. It has all been rosy so far but CKD is being paid to make the tough decisions. Regardless of the all sunshine and lollipops now, all of that will end when the season begins. If he isn't focused on playing the 11 guys committed to play as a team his road ahead will become much tougher for him.
 
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UAH said:
The way I see it the SEC is obviously a tougher place to play when league play begins and LSU in particular has it's game on. It has all been rosy so far but CKD is being paid to make the tough decisions. Regardless of the all sunshine and lollipops now, all of that will end when the season begins. If he isn't focused on playing the 11 guys committed to play as a team his road ahead will become much tougher for him.
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Do we have reason to believe his isn't so committed?

And isn't this essentially true with every team at every level?
 
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RollTide_HTTR said:
I think for now DeBoer deserves the benefit of the doubt that he will make the best decision for the team when it comes to picking a QB.
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Yeah, I agree. But many will come away from tomorrows A-Day with varying opinion on who SHOULD be QB-1 based on a final practice format that's not CNS arranged and the first CKD format most of us have seen. Last year I came away from A-Day thinking Lonergan was the most poised and ready to contribute at a higher level than Simpson. Also thought Justice would be more involved in season games as well. We still have a long way to go before fall practice and season opener so there's much to be developed. Unfortunately, not many have the patience to wait and see how it shakes out. We're a seriously spoiled fanbase with very high expectations and when we think those expectations are in danger we respond in a not so positive manner.
 
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CrimSonami said:
Yeah, I agree. But many will come away from tomorrows A-Day with varying opinion on who SHOULD be QB-1 based on a final practice format that's not CNS arranged and the first CKD format most of us have seen. Last year I came away from A-Day thinking Lonergan was the most poised and ready to contribute at a higher level than Simpson. Also thought Justice would be more involved in season games as well. We still have a long way to go before fall practice and season opener so there's much to be developed. Unfortunately, not many have the patience to wait and see how it shakes out. We're a seriously spoiled fanbase with very high expectations and when we think those expectations are in danger we respond in a not so positive manner.
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Yes sir!
 
davefrat said:
Do we have reason to believe his isn't so committed?

And isn't this essentially true with every team at every level?
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More true probably with a team that has been a perennial title contender. My point is to say that everything is totally positive which is his elected style right now. It can't realistically be all positives right now.. There certainly has to be some issues. Come kickoff time knowledgeable fans and those who aren't will be in more of a position to determine positives and negatives.
 
Ledsteplin said:
True. And Washington ran the ball more than people realize. It's not the number of pass plays. It's the offensive schemes they (DeBoer) used.
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If DeBoer’s scheme is implemented as it has been elsewhere, it will be a bit of a departure, on a consistent basis anyway, from what we’ve been accustomed to under CNS. We’ve had offenses under CNS that generated a ton of passing yards, but the methodology was different and the pass/run ratio was still pretty even.

DeBoer’s offenses consistently attempt 40-45 passes per game against 20-25 rushes per game, and we never had that kind of ratio on a consistent basis under CNS. A typical outing for a DeBoer team generates about 350 passing yards against about 120 rushing yards.

I do agree, they run more than people realize, but the scheme is much closer to Mike Leach than Mike Locksley.
 
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graydogg85 said:
If DeBoer’s scheme is implemented as it has been elsewhere, it will be a bit of a departure, on a consistent basis anyway, from what we’ve been accustomed to under CNS. We’ve had offenses under CNS that generated a ton of passing yards, but the methodology was different and the pass/run ratio was still pretty even.

DeBoer’s offenses consistently attempt 40-45 passes per game against 20-25 rushes per game, and we never had that kind of ratio on a consistent basis under CNS. A typical outing for a DeBoer team generates about 350 passing yards against about 120 rushing yards.

I do agree, they run more than people realize, but the scheme is much closer to Mike Leach than Mike Locksley.
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I think I was looking at attempts, not yards. Yeah, the passing was a lot of yardage. But I think the ratio was like 38 pass attempts to 27 rush.
 
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Ledsteplin said:
I think I was looking at attempts, not yards. Yeah, the passing was a lot of yardage. But I think the ratio was like 38 pass attempts to 27 rush.
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Yep. And contrast that with Bama’s 2023 season, which was almost the complete inverse of the ratio I described earlier (20-25 pass attempts to 40-45 rush attempts) and it’s a dramatically different approach.

This assumes DeBoer and Sheridan keep the scheme completely intact and unaltered - which I personally don’t think they will if Milroe ends up starting. I think you’ll see a whole lot more QB runs than a typical DeBoer offense. Not necessarily designed, just a whole lot of ability for Milroe to scramble and take off.
 
graydogg85 said:
Yep. And contrast that with Bama’s 2023 season, which was almost the complete inverse of the ratio I described earlier (20-25 pass attempts to 40-45 rush attempts) and it’s a dramatically different approach.

This assumes DeBoer and Sheridan keep the scheme completely intact and unaltered - which I personally don’t think they will if Milroe ends up starting. I think you’ll see a whole lot more QB runs than a typical DeBoer offense. Not necessarily designed, just a whole lot of ability for Milroe to scramble and take off.
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DeBoer has been impressed with our RB room. So who knows what he will do. I want to see some of everything tomorrow.
 
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I just hope today will help us "see" the things we believe we need to see:

Whether it's JM looking like he's making improvement, which means he can survey the field, get the ball out quickly and hit some open receiver in the short and intermediate range...

OR, if it's TS looking like he's finally matching his obvious arm talent to the scheme he's asked to work in...

OR if it's AM or DL showing they are growing and that they are poised to be the serviceable answer if #1 or #2 can't be...

This is the kind of stuff all be watching for today.

Has Jalen really improved?
Has Ty possibly passed Jalen?
Are AM and DL possible answers?
 
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