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Re: Interesting spin

rylandtide said:
Its not what is said in this article, its whats not said.
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... here's something that you can also put in the "not said" file for that article; it also doesn't say Saban is interested in the job, either

... one can get wrung out from playing in the spin cycle too much :wink:
 
Re: Interesting spin

I didn't read the article, so I'm going to assume that THIS isn't in the article either:

Saban is paid nearly 4 million dollars a year by the Dolphins. He is in the 2nd year of his contract. They are picking up steam, slowly. If he quits, he walks away with what he's made thus far and that's it. If he's lured away, the people doing the luring will have to buy out the remainder of his contract. So, pretend that it's the U of A. That's roughly 8 million to buy him out, roughly 4 million to buy out CMS, and that's before you even take into account what Saban will require as a salary....and he thinks pretty highly of himself. The sheer impact of those numbers tells Saban can't be considered a serious candidate, but I've wrong before. Not that we haven't contacted him, but I can't think we'd pay that. And again, contact doesn't mean offer.
 
Re: Do we have a realistic Shot at Nick Saban??

Rainmaker27 said:
Classy response yourself there, killer.

Tell me what you know about Mike Shula's work ethic that would justify characterizing him as "hard working," because from what I've heard, he could stand to pick it up in that department.

Do you think it demonstrates integrity to stagger suspensions of players who've violated team rules/the law in order to avoid putting your team at too considerable a competitive disadvantage? That's the very thing we'd crucify Phil Fulmer for--is it not?

How about having DJ Hall test his ankle prior to a game, only to declare him "suspended" once DJ lets it be known that he is physically unable to play?

In any event, my question about his "plusses" was directed towards things that will actually help us win football games--after all, I believe that's supposed to the primary objective of any team in a competitive sport.

Oh, and he's getting paid $1.55 million a year--I'm looking for a little more than "honesty" myself.
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Where to begin........ First off, I'm not going to engage in a "nit-picking" contest with you, since you seem to be so good at it. A couple of points I will address :
Tell me what you know about Mike Shula's work ethic that would justify characterizing him as "hard working," because from what I've heard, he could stand to pick it up in that department.
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I do try to not let other people do my thinking for me. Instead, I try to rely on my own judgement to make a decision.
In any event, my question about his "plusses" was directed towards things that will actually help us win football games--after all, I believe that's supposed to the primary objective of any team in a competitive sport.
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As I have tried to make apparent, I am more concerned with the integrity, and well being, of the University, in general, and the FBP, in particular, than just winning ball games. We're still paying, and paying dearly, for the last round of "win at any cost" philosophy.

Now, I want to make one thing clear, and that is; If CMS is guilty of even some of the things of which he is accused, I feel sure the PTB will address it. If not, I'm more than happy to ride out at least one more year, if it in is the best interest of the University. I guess the difference in myself, and some others is, I freely admit I do not have the knowledge to make that decision........
I'm looking for a little more than "honesty" myself.
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No doubt.
 
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Re: Do we have a realistic Shot at Nick Saban??

I'm just waiting for someone to ask the "decision makers"...

Mal Moore: "Are you the AD at the Univ. of Alabama?"

BOT Memebers: "Are you a Board of Trustee member at the Univ. of Alabama?"

or

Pres. Witt: "Are you the president at the Univ. of Alabama?"

to which they respond," No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express."

Sorry. No at Saban.
 
Re: Do we have a realistic Shot at Nick Saban??

rolltideas said:
I'm just waiting for someone to ask the "decision makers"...

Mal Moore: "Are you the AD at the Univ. of Alabama?"

BOT Memebers: "Are you a Board of Trustee member at the Univ. of Alabama?"

or

Pres. Witt: "Are you the president at the Univ. of Alabama?"

to which they respond," No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express."

Sorry. No at Saban.
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Anybody see the plane taking off, or landing anywhere NEAR a HIE.........be sure to let us know!!!;) :biggrin2:
 
Re: Do we have a realistic Shot at Nick Saban??

Crimson Haw said:
First off, I'm not going to engage in a "nit-picking" contest with you, since you seem to be so good at it.
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Classic. You get called out with direct responses to your own words, and you characterize it as "nit-picking." Some of us call it dealing in reality.

Crimson Hawk said:
I do try to not let other people do my thinking for me. Instead, I try to rely on my own judgement to make a decision.
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Ummm....ok--and you've still yet to share with me what forms the basis for your conclusion that Shula is "hard working." What an utterly meaningless response.

Crimson Hawk said:
As I have tried to make apparent, I am more concerned with the integrity, and well being, of the University, in general, and the FBP, in particular, than just winning ball games. We're still paying, and paying dearly, for the last round of "win at any cost" philosophy.
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I'm certainly not lobbying for a "win at any cost" philosophy. But I am lobbying for a "win" philosophy--something Mike Shula seems to severely lack.

At no point have I suggested that integrity and the well-being of the University are unimportant. Rather, I simply pointed out that of the items you listed as Mike Shula's "plusses," none of them had to do with on-the-field success. I'm sorry, but if all you're looking for in a head coach is someone with integrity (and, again, this notion that Shula's got it in spades is certainly questionable), we could hire ourselves a priest and save about $1.5 million a year.

Crimson Hawk said:
Now, I want to make one thing clear, and that is; If CMS is guilty of even some of the things of which he is accused, I feel sure the PTB will address it.
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If you'll notice, I alluded to those things as providing a legitimate basis for questioning the extent of Mike Shula's integrity (which you earlier suggested was one of his "plusses"). Point being, whether or not he's forced to change by his superiors is wholly immaterial to the question of Shula's integrity (which, again, was the issue at hand).

Rainmaker27 said:
I'm looking for a little more than "honesty" myself.
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Crimson Hawk said:
No doubt.
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Boy, that's clever. Not real sure what you were going for here, pal, but I'm pretty sure you were wide of the mark.
 
Re: Interesting spin

TIDE-HSV said:
NMc went to a smaller school, but he is essentially an Ole Miss and LSU boosters...
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Louisiana Monroe was the smaller school. Then he went and got his masters at Ole Miss. Funny though, both his parents hold degrees from Alabama. But your right Earle, he's a huge blow hard for LSU, UM, and AU.
 
I just remembered that I posted on this topic several years ago, and I would just like to say that I called this months before it happened. Roll Tide guys! The future is very bright.

:BigA:
 
wagardner said:
I just remembered that I posted on this topic several years ago, and I would just like to say that I called this months before it happened. Roll Tide guys! The future is very bright.

:BigA:
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Did you have this thread under your favorites/thumbnail? It is 3 years old.
 
Re: Do we have a realistic Shot at Nick Saban??

CaliforniaTide said:
I think that it's absolutely ludicrous that Saban is even being mentioned as a possibility as a head coach. Even if he wasn't coaching the Dolphins right now, I'd still find it hard to believe that he'd leave "retirement" in order to coach at Alabama, especially after when he left LSU. In fact, I'm sure that he would still be at LSU right now if he hadn't left for the NFL. Also, if somehow some way Saban coaches at Alabama, he'll most likely leave after 3 years, unless he finds total happiness coaching at Alabama, much like how Pete Carroll has enjoying coaching at USC or Mack Brown coaching at Texas.

I'm not saying that he's a bad coach, but I want to see REALISTIC coaching candidates, not some random coach that was awesome in college and is coaching in the NFL right now. Furthermore, I don't think that Shula will leave this offseason. He will be given one more season to prove himself with the recruits that he has. If things are sub-par or fall apart after 2007, then I think he will either resign or be fired.

My coaching candidates (assuming Shula gets fired after 2007)? Pat Hill, coach at Fresno State; Steve Sarkisian, Lane Kiffin or Nick Holt at USC; maybe Bobby Petrino of Louisville; or Gene Chizik of Texas. I think all of those coaches would consider Alabama as an attractive coaching opportunity now that we're no longer on probationary status.
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I just wanted to quote this post to point and laugh at CaliforniaTide ;)
 
I hope that, one day, someone will write an accurate book that timelines the Saban hire. I think it would be a great story (unless you're a dolphins fan).
 
Re: Do we have a realistic Shot at Nick Saban??

REBELZED said:
I just wanted to quote this post to point and laugh at CaliforniaTide ;)
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While it is funny, it's just not really fair. Lots of things people say can be looked at three years later and seem ridiculous. That old thread is full of them.

One thing I saw when I reread it was interesting. On the first or second page someone pointed out that CNS didn't react much to Fran waving his finger in his face when we beat LSU really badly that year. Now we know CNS isn't the kind of coach to even care about something like that. By the time he met Fran at mid field he was probably breaking down the game in his mind and thinking of how to correct some mistakes.
 
Re: Do we have a realistic Shot at Nick Saban??

Dallas4Bama said:
While it is funny, it's just not really fair. Lots of things people say can be looked at three years later and seem ridiculous. That old thread is full of them.
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I realize that, and it's all in good fun :)

I just thought it was impressive how much wrong he was able to pack into one post! :biggrin2:
 
Re: Sexton denies Saban rumor on PF...

Jack Bourbon said:
Since Saban isn't leaving the Dolphins, no *****

self-edited^
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My favorite is the emphatic posters who KNOW Saban isn't coming!!! I love how angry they get because of this "stupid" question, it is beneath their intellect...:biggrin:
 
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