JessN: Assistant coach hiring tracker...

[TheRealPokeChop]

If he's satisfied at Tarleton St he doesn't belong in the SEC.

Miss state also kinda screwed leeches staff on the way out. Not the usual buy out their contract kinda thing. I don't know the details but was told it was bad.

But he's a legit d1 coach and is a great fit for us. If he's devoers guy it'll be as good a hire as we could possibly make.

Like this would be a home run. If they make it happen.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Miss state also kinda screwed leeches staff on the way out. Not the usual buy out their contract kinda thing. I don't know the details but was told it was bad.

But he's a legit d1 coach and is a great fit for us. If he's devoers guy it'll be as good a hire as we could possibly make.

Like this would be a home run. If they make it happen.

What do you offer Miller? I think he got about $495k at Miss St. No clue his pay at Tarleton St. Wolford had a new extension for $925,000. So I think the money would be a huge enticement. I say offer him the $925k Wolford would have got to start negotiations. The OL is very important to this offense. LOL

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Miss state also kinda screwed leeches staff on the way out. Not the usual buy out their contract kinda thing. I don't know the details but was told it was bad.

But he's a legit d1 coach and is a great fit for us. If he's devoers guy it'll be as good a hire as we could possibly make.

Like this would be a home run. If they make it happen.

So what did Hail State do that was so bad...?

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

So what did Hail State do that was so bad...?

Don't know any details but from what I was told was it was a bit dissapointing given the situation.

They did toss out a pretty solid staff for one they completely fired again this year. Oline was always a strength during leeches short tenure there.

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

What do you offer Miller? I think he got about $495k at Miss St. No clue his pay at Tarleton St. Wolford had a new extension for $925,000. So I think the money would be a huge enticement. I say offer him the $925k Wolford would have got to start negotiations. The OL is very important to this offense. LOL

Wolford made 925. So probably around that. Much more and you need to have an associate or assistant head coach or coordinator title, or recruiting director along with an on field position.

 

[BamaMoon]

Just go up 75K and get to 7 figures and git r dun.

 

[graydogg85]

Funny that Miller's name is on the list now. I took a shot in the dark last week and did a Google search to find out who State's OL coach was in Leach's final season - I had never previously heard of Miller.

Honestly he seems like he'd be a great fit. State actually ran the ball relatively well in 2022 (when they attempted to, which was more often than the typical Leach offense), and Will Rogers threw for nearly 5k yards that season. They finished in the 50s nationally in sacks surrendered, but considering the sheer number of pass attempts I thought that wasn't too bad. It's a heck of a lot better than finishing 123rd as we did in 2023.

He's familiar with the general scheme - obviously would have to ditch the wide splits and account for tight ends - but overall he seems like a quality OL coach.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Funny that Miller's name is on the list now. I took a shot in the dark last week and did a Google search to find out who State's OL coach was in Leach's final season - I had never previously heard of Miller.

Honestly he seems like he'd be a great fit. State actually ran the ball relatively well in 2022 (when they attempted to, which was more often than the typical Leach offense), and Will Rogers threw for nearly 5k yards that season. They finished in the 50s nationally in sacks surrendered, but considering the sheer number of pass attempts I thought that wasn't too bad. It's a heck of a lot better than finishing 123rd as we did in 2023.

He's familiar with the general scheme - obviously would have to ditch the wide splits and account for tight ends - but overall he seems like a quality OL coach.

I decided to do a deeper dive, starting back when he was Leach's OL coach at Wazzu. The findings were interesting.

Per CFBStats com

Washington State without Mason Miller
2016: 29 sacks allowed - 82nd nationally
2017: 44 sacks allowed-- 126th nationally

Washington State with Mason Miller
2018: 13 sacks allowed - 8th nationally
2019: 20 sacks allowed- 28th nationally

Mississippi State with Mason Miller
2020: 34 sacks allowed - 120th nationally
2021: 34 sacks allowed - 97th nationally
2022: 26 sacks allowed - 59th nationally

I'm not sure what happened the first two years at Mississippi State. Maybe they just had to get the right guys in there. Other than that, his offensive lines have been solid in that category ,all things considered. Then there's also the vast improvement Washington State's o line made from the year before he got there. This dude took over and they had 31 fewer sacks than the year before lol.

 

[BJ4TIDE]

I decided to do a deeper dive, starting back when he was Leach's OL coach at Wazzu. The findings were interesting.

Per CFBStats com

Washington State without Mason Miller
2016: 29 sacks allowed - 82nd nationally
2017: 44 sacks allowed-- 126th nationally

Washington State with Mason Miller
2018: 13 sacks allowed - 8th nationally
2019: 20 sacks allowed- 28th nationally

Mississippi State with Mason Miller
2020: 34 sacks allowed - 120th nationally
2021: 34 sacks allowed - 97th nationally
2022: 26 sacks allowed - 59th nationally

I'm not sure what happened the first two years at Mississippi State. Maybe they just had to get the right guys in there. Other than that, his offensive lines have been solid in that category ,all things considered. Then there's also the vast improvement Washington State's o line made from the year before he got there. This dude took over and they had 31 fewer sacks than the year before lol.

It could be the fact that he was playing SEC defenses.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

It could be the fact that he was playing SEC defenses.

But then they improved significantly in year 3, so that makes me think it was a project. A 4th year would've been interesting to see

 

[Ledsteplin]

I don't think Byrne and the University vet coaches as thoroughly as TideFans.

 

[JessN]

UPDATE ...

Added Kevin Wright to the possibilities at TE coach.

 

[JessN]

I decided to do a deeper dive, starting back when he was Leach's OL coach at Wazzu. The findings were interesting.

Per CFBStats com

Washington State without Mason Miller
2016: 29 sacks allowed - 82nd nationally
2017: 44 sacks allowed-- 126th nationally

Washington State with Mason Miller
2018: 13 sacks allowed - 8th nationally
2019: 20 sacks allowed- 28th nationally

Mississippi State with Mason Miller
2020: 34 sacks allowed - 120th nationally
2021: 34 sacks allowed - 97th nationally
2022: 26 sacks allowed - 59th nationally

I'm not sure what happened the first two years at Mississippi State. Maybe they just had to get the right guys in there. Other than that, his offensive lines have been solid in that category ,all things considered. Then there's also the vast improvement Washington State's o line made from the year before he got there. This dude took over and they had 31 fewer sacks than the year before lol.

So this probably warrants a larger discussion of both Air Raid OL theology as well as Mike Leach's playcalling.

The portion I put in bold is also relevant. Yes, you have to get the right kind of guy in there and not everyone can play OL in the Air Raid. There's a bit less of an adjustment under DeBoer than under Leach, because Leach used wide OL splits a lot and never had a tight end helping out the OL in blocking. Leach converted every TE he ever had to either defense, receiver or OL.

On the flip side, it's hard to sack someone when the ball is coming out on a 3-step drop and going laterally a lot of the time, so Leach's theories could actually help an OL cover up issues as well as expose those same issues.

Summary: it's a combination of several factors, some of them in apparent conflict with another, making it hard to evaluate just how "good" or "bad" those OLs were. My opinion of MSU's OL was that they would have a couple of good guys each year mixed in with a couple of guys that probably would have been on Bama's third team at best.

 

[JDCrimson]

I thought Nunez was going to be TE coach?

UPDATE ...

Added Kevin Wright to the possibilities at TE coach.

 

[Cruloc]

I decided to do a deeper dive, starting back when he was Leach's OL coach at Wazzu. The findings were interesting.

Per CFBStats com

Washington State without Mason Miller
2016: 29 sacks allowed - 82nd nationally
2017: 44 sacks allowed-- 126th nationally

Washington State with Mason Miller
2018: 13 sacks allowed - 8th nationally
2019: 20 sacks allowed- 28th nationally

Mississippi State with Mason Miller
2020: 34 sacks allowed - 120th nationally
2021: 34 sacks allowed - 97th nationally
2022: 26 sacks allowed - 59th nationally

I'm not sure what happened the first two years at Mississippi State. Maybe they just had to get the right guys in there. Other than that, his offensive lines have been solid in that category ,all things considered. Then there's also the vast improvement Washington State's o line made from the year before he got there. This dude took over and they had 31 fewer sacks than the year before lol.

Considering in 2020 most teams only played 5 to 8 games, and the SEC playing 10 conference games....no wonder they 120th.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I thought Nunez was going to be TE coach?

Says on his Twitter, Special Teams. There's still Paul Creighton and Kevin Wright listed for TE. But they're not set in stone yet.

 

[jasongilbert69]

Nick Sheridan? That’s the best Alabama football can get? This is gonna be a long year.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

Nick Sheridan? That’s the best Alabama football can get? This is gonna be a long year.

In this case it may be best not to hire a high profile OC because such an OC would want to implement their own style of offense rather than simply carry out DeBoer's style of offense. If at any time DeBoer starts to lose confidence in Sheridan then DeBoer can just start calling more of the plays himself.

 

[JessN]

I thought Nunez was going to be TE coach?

Looks like Nunez may remain off-field (coaching ST during the week, but letting a different coach serve in that capacity during gameday ... same setup that he had with Oklahoma, I believe).

Nick Sheridan? That’s the best Alabama football can get? This is gonna be a long year.

If you've read my prior posts on how Alabama is going to hire offensive coordinators under Kalen DeBoer, and you either are overlooking that information or just willfully ignoring it, you're going to have a bad time.

I'll repeat it once again: The offensive system is DeBoer's, not an offensive coordinator's. Alabama will no longer hire OCs under DeBoer to "run the offense." The situation will be reversed from how it was under Saban, where Saban hired an OC to run the offense and a DC to implement his system. DeBoer may very well end up calling all or some of the plays -- as he did with Ryan Grubb -- but either way, that's what you're going to get as long as he's the head coach.

EDIT: I also now remember that I had to correct you for posting inaccurate information in this thread once before, regarding Sheridan and DeBoer "always" being together during their respective careers. It's starting to sound like you're trolling. I'll alert the mod team to watch your future posts on this subject.

 

[rolltide7854]

Looks like Nunez may remain off-field (coaching ST during the week, but letting a different coach serve in that capacity during gameday ... same setup that he had with Oklahoma, I believe).



If you've read my prior posts on how Alabama is going to hire offensive coordinators under Kalen DeBoer, and you either are overlooking that information or just willfully ignoring it, you're going to have a bad time.

I'll repeat it once again: The offensive system is DeBoer's, not an offensive coordinator's. Alabama will no longer hire OCs under DeBoer to "run the offense." The situation will be reversed from how it was under Saban, where Saban hired an OC to run the offense and a DC to implement his system. DeBoer may very well end up calling all or some of the plays -- as he did with Ryan Grubb -- but either way, that's what you're going to get as long as he's the head coach.

EDIT: I also now remember that I had to correct you for posting inaccurate information in this thread once before, regarding Sheridan and DeBoer "always" being together during their respective careers. It's starting to sound like you're trolling. I'll alert the mod team to watch your future posts on this subject.

I don't how people don't understand that it's going to be the opposite of what we are used too. Saban no matter who the DC was it was Saban's defense. Now it will DeBoer's offense no matter who the OC is.