B.Croyle & Kansas City (merged)

Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

The emotional charge that a discussion about Brodie Croyle has with some people is, TBF, a total puzzle to me. If he can't be discussed dispassionately and with courtesy by both sides, I guess we'll have to close the thread. But, again, it's a mystery to me...
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

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NOSty bad timing on who to pick a fight with.
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That VolunteerAudio comment was over the top. Should have called him BarnerAudio or let it be.
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This is a good example of a good thread gone bad.

Welcome to our newest staff member crimsonaudio
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Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

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NOSty bad timing on who to pick a fight with.
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That VolunteerAudio comment was over the top. Should have called him BarnerAudio or let it be.
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This is a good example of a good thread gone bad.

Welcome to our newest staff member crimsonaudio
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. Everyone help him out while he learns all the new bells and whistles at his disposal.
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NOSty will be back as soon as the ether wears off.
Thread killer!!!
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Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

BC has the best arm that I've seen at Bama . He also has a very quick release . To me , that indicates that BC is probably the most talented pure passer that I've seen at Bama .

It's strange that the 6-7 roll-outs Shula called during BC's career all looked great . When he ran for his life , they didn't . He made some throws while playing at Bama that no other QB could make .

The overthrows were usually in the latter part of the season as the OL became a bit more flimsy and BC's body was in shambles . Overthrows do not tend to be intercepted either . That's generally the idea .

The talent and ability that produced all of the hype is there . Maybe while in KC , he'll remain healthy and everything will come together for him . I sure hope that it does . Some of us are just frustrated that it didn't happen while BC was at Bama .

No , Croyle didn't produce the results with the W-L record that most had hoped for . BC didn't coach the OL either . Honestly , was any of that his fault ? He's taken a lot more than his share of the blame . I wish him the best .
 
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After thought, I've come to the conclusion that we can't just regard him as one more Bama player, to whom we wish success in the NFL. He'll forever be a symbol, a symbol of deep division in the Bama nation, mostly, though not entirely, pro and con Mike Shula. Also a symbol of a deeply troubled time in our athletic history. Myself, I have trouble separating him as a player from the wildly dysfunctional immediate past regime, where some players were accorded such privileged status that it greatly affected the morale and performance of the team. I just hope we can get to the place to where he's a Bama man we all wish success in the pros, without all the heat that seems to be generated whenever his name is mentioned. He's really still just a kid - a kid who deserves to make good on his own and who has the talent to do it...
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

After thought, I've come to the conclusion that we can't just regard him as one more Bama player, to whom we wish success in the NFL. He'll forever be a symbol, a symbol of deep division in the Bama nation, mostly, though not entirely, pro and con Mike Shula. Also a symbol of a deeply troubled time in our athletic history. Myself, I have trouble separating him as a player from the wildly dysfunctional immediate past regime, where some players were accorded such privileged status that it greatly affected the morale and performance of the team. I just hope we can get to the place to where he's a Bama man we all wish success in the pros, without all the heat that seems to be generated whenever his name is mentioned. He's really still just a kid - a kid who deserves to make good on his own and who has the talent to do it...

Congrats on an exceptionally well thought-out post. I agree completely. I guess that's why I liked it so much.
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

brodie was a big time prospect coming out of hs and he came here while we were in trouble and played his guts out for us. nothing but love. that doesn't mean we can't be objective about his nfl prognosis, which is frankly poor. as a painful exercise, let's look at him vs jason campbell. campbell has: a better deep ball, at least as strong an arm, better mobility, much better durability, and about 4 inches and 35 lbs. brodie has, i'd say: better instincts. campbell has seemingly learned from mark brunell and joe gibbs how to play it safe and not lose games. if edwards can do the same with brodie, putting him in situations that minimize his chances of getting hit/having to scramble for as long as it takes for him to adjust to nfl speed, he might have a chance. but bc he is so injury prone, i really can't see him lasting too long in a starting role. he also doesn't have alot of help at receiver in KC, and tgonz is gettign up there. the best thing that could happen would be for him to ride the pine for a couple more seasons and play against the first team D in practice. if he has to learn oon sundays right away, he'll get broken and be done.
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

brodie was a big time prospect coming out of hs and he came here while we were in trouble and played his guts out for us. nothing but love. that doesn't mean we can't be objective about his nfl prognosis, which is frankly poor. as a painful exercise, let's look at him vs jason campbell. campbell has: a better deep ball, at least as strong an arm, better mobility, much better durability, and about 4 inches and 35 lbs. brodie has, i'd say: better instincts. campbell has seemingly learned from mark brunell and joe gibbs how to play it safe and not lose games. if edwards can do the same with brodie, putting him in situations that minimize his chances of getting hit/having to scramble for as long as it takes for him to adjust to nfl speed, he might have a chance. but bc he is so injury prone, i really can't see him lasting too long in a starting role. he also doesn't have alot of help at receiver in KC, and tgonz is gettign up there. the best thing that could happen would be for him to ride the pine for a couple more seasons and play against the first team D in practice. if he has to learn oon sundays right away, he'll get broken and be done.

In your opinion . An opinion that is not shared in Kansas City .

a better deep ball,
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at least as strong an arm,
You're the 1st I've ever heard say that . NFL scouts & PPD's would probably find that statement to be a bit troubling . BS's arm-strength is a rarity .

better mobility,
Possibly debatable .

much better durability,
No doubt about it . Better protection helps too .

and about 4 inches
1 or 2 at the most unless JC has somehow grow to be at least 6'7" .
 
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Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

Nice article. I'd really like to see Brodie become an NFL success story.

Truthfully, though, I'll be amazed if he's ever a full-time NFL starter. I guess I remember too vividly overthrown, wide open wide receivers, five yards behind the nearest defender, and floated swing passes in the backfield that went for losses when the defensive guy got there right when the ball did.

It'd suit me fine to be totally wrong!

I remember those too, but I also remember on about 2/3 of those plays he had a defender in his face or bearing down fast. I guess Crimson Foley forgot about that.(or maybe he didn't bother to watch the games.
 
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Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

In your opinion . An opinion that is not shared in Kansas City .

see, that's where you're wrong. everybody in the universe agrees with me about everything i say.

You're the 1st I've ever heard say that . NFL scouts & PPD's would probably find that statement to be a bit troubling . BS's arm-strength is a rarity .
not these two sites, one of them being the chiefs', the other the official nfl draft profiles
http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/brodie_croyle/

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/croyle_brodie

but no need to belabor the point. they both have nfl arms. as for height, most places have bc listed at 6'2 or 6'3 and jc at 6'4 or 6'5, so i overstated the difference. and it looks like he only has about 25-30 lbs on bc as well. as for mobility, like anything, it's debatable, but are you really goign to try to say that bc has better mobility than jc? did you see any of the games he started for wash? probably not, since they were out of the playoff hunt by then, but jc was impressive with his feet. not to mention the facts that he's faster than bc, has 2 good knees, and isn't concerned about getting injured.

here's what the official nfl site linked to above says on bc's mobility
He lacks the foot quickness to avoid the sack and buy a second chance, and does not have the quickness and agility to move quickly in the pocket to avoid rushers consistently. When he is forced from the pocket and has to scramble, he lacks the playing speed to run for the first down.

and on jc's, which was only supported by this season at wash
Well-built athlete with a tall, basketball player's style frame … Has a very strong throwing arm and quick feet to avoid pressure, but is better suited throwing out of the pocket … Sometimes loses accuracy and velocity throwing on the move, as he does not set his feet properly to put all of his force behind those tosses … Still, for a player of his size, he shows good mobility

as for the deep ball, i'm just going by my own memory of bc's senior year and jc's starts last season. i feel good that with time and confidence, bc will be on the mark with the deep throws.

but enough of the hair-splitting. my point is the same one made by the nfl link: bc of bc's frailty, it seems doubtful he'll make it as a starter. i argued with some barners about campbell making it in the nfl, bc i thought his numbers were hugely inflated due to having exellent receivers and maybe the best backfield in college football history. but campbell is in the process of proving me wrong, mainly bc the skins were smart about bringing him along slowly and coaching him up in the mental aspects of their system. physically, jc is the prototype nfl qb. brodie isn't. that's the bottom line and if oyu want to argue about it, you'll lose. but brodie has a better head on his shoulders and, if he never gets hurt, will be great. but a good coach can train a qb to improve his decision-making, which is what seems to be goign on in dc. in kc, all they can do is hope his body holds up
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

I remember those too, but I also remember on about 2/3 of those plays he had a defender in his face or bearing down fast. I guess Crimson Foley forgot about that.(or maybe he didn't bother to watch the games.

Yep , I remember those as well . I also remember some of the passes that he had to complete while being tackled too . When healthy and allowed enough time(just like Namath) , it'd be hard to find a better pure passer .

BC set records in his 1st year as a starter when we only had about 40% of the offense installed and while taking the kind of beating that is seldom seen . The following season , BC was the nations leader in passing efficiency when he was injured .

Blah , blah , blah .... we all know the story but , why do some seem to blame BC for the things that went wrong ? He didn't play OL . He didn't buy Albert Means . What type of record do those "fans" think we would've had without him ?:eek2:
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

Didn't Brodie compete in a high school/college camp for QBs back in 2001 and thoroughly outperformed Drew Brees in accuracy and arm strength? I have no link or source for my info was simply word of mouth so if someone does have info, hit us up with it.
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

Brees and a couple of other big-time college QB's were at that Elite 11 Camp . I also had read where BC dusted all of them in all of the tests and drills . 2-3 college QB's participate each year . Jay Cutler was at the camp before his last year at Vandy .

This is look back at the Elite 11 that BC won .
http://ssfootball.rivals.com/content.asp?highlight=2001+Elite+11&CID=562168
 
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Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

Drew Brees last year at Purdue was 2000. Brodie's last year at BAMA was 2005. How were these two competing against each other at football camps?
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

Sorry, but believing that Brodie has a decent chance at a NFL career, but it's not a lead pipe cinch, doesn't equate to negativity. You can say it, but that doesn't make it true...

You're right...but I was commenting on someone saying for every game Brodie lit it up there were three were he played pedestrian or worse. To me that's not saying what you just said. I have no problem with your comment and if that's what crimsonaudio meant then I appologize for misjudging his comments. I just think that audios comments may have been a little bit over the top against Brodie...then again, maybe I've just been on the basketball board too long and am starting to get paranoid.
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

Once again, there's room for a wide difference of opinion on Brodie and his performance. What I'd like to see is for us to disagree agreeably and for the sniping and barbs back and forth to end...
 
Re: B.Croyle & Kansas City .

I guess it's all just a matter of perspective.

I really, REALLY liked BC when he was here. Brodie came to Bama when he could have gone a ton of other places, knowing what he was getting into regarding probation, etc and he played his heart out. For that I will be forever grateful. That being said, he didn't exactly light up the record books - he lit up Bama's passing records, but those numbers are rather laughable compared to many, if not most schools.

My point is I'm not bagging BC, I'm in all honesty trying to look at him and base my judgment of his potential on what I've seen over the years from him. I think he has a realistic shot at becoming a starter, but when folks start dragging out PM's first season in an effort to compare it, that seems ludicrous to me.

Only time will tell at this point, but when you consider the QB's that have had what BC displayed in college and more that failed at the NFL level, well, it's hard to assume he's going to become a superstar. Luckily, KC believes in him and will give him that shot, so it's on his shoulders now.

I'd LOVE to be proven wrong, I just fear that overall his skill set doesn't match up to the NFL well.
 

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