Bad cop; good cop stories; Part II...

[TIDE-HSV]

I'm still wondering if the "off-hand" training isn't at the bottom of this. Maybe some sort of distinctive grooving on the taser grip, so it doesn't feel the same as a gun? OTOH, panic enough and all that goes out the window. They've said she was "senior"...

 

[B1GTide]

I'm still wondering if the "off-hand" training isn't at the bottom of this. Maybe some sort of distinctive grooving on the taser grip, so it doesn't feel the same as a gun? OTOH, panic enough and all that goes out the window. They've said she was "senior"...

That is what gives me the most pause - how would a senior/experienced police officer make this kind of mistake. The weight and feel of a taser/handgun are significantly different. As a senior officer, she has to be deeply connected to her firearm by now. As soon as it hit her palm, a part of her brain knew what it was and she still pulled the trigger.

I am not saying that I think she did it on purpose, because I do not. But some part of her brain did not mind pulling that trigger.

 

[92tide]

That is what gives me the most pause - how would a senior/experienced police officer make this kind of mistake. The weight and feel of a taser/handgun are significantly different. As a senior officer, she has to be deeply connected to her firearm by now. As soon as it hit her palm, a part of her brain knew what it was and she still pulled the trigger.

I am not saying that I think she did it on purpose, because I do not. But some part of her brain did not mind pulling that trigger.

also, the tasers are usually fluorescent

 

[B1GTide]

How Could the Police Have Mistaken a Gun for a Taser?

The chief of police for Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, where Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old Black man, was fatally shot by a white officer Sunday, said Monday that the shooting was an accident. The officer, Kimberly A. Potter, a 26-year veteran of the force, had intended to deploy her Taser, the...

news.yahoo.com

 

[B1GTide]

also, the tasers are usually fluorescent

The biggest difference to experienced gun owners is the safety. The police officer had to flip off the safety to fire. Now, when you are experienced you do this smoothly, and almost without thought, as you draw the weapon. But you have to do it, and the safety for a handgun is a lot different than one for a taser.

This officer puller her gun, disengaged the safety and fired without realizing that she had her gun in her hand instead of a taser. She did this without being in any danger. She was in a hurry. Her rush killed a 20 year old.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

 

[92tide]

The biggest difference to experienced gun owners is the safety. The police officer had to flip off the safety to fire. Now, when you are experienced you do this smoothly, and almost without thought, as you draw the weapon. But you have to do it, and the safety for a handgun is a lot different than one for a taser.

This officer puller her gun, disengaged the safety and fired without realizing that she had her gun in her hand instead of a taser. She did this without being in any danger. She was in a hurry. Her rush killed a 20 year old.

i think i read where this department uses glocks, which have a safety mechanism built into the trigger.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

The biggest difference to experienced gun owners is the safety. The police officer had to flip off the safety to fire. Now, when you are experienced you do this smoothly, and almost without thought, as you draw the weapon. But you have to do it, and the safety for a handgun is a lot different than one for a taser.

This officer puller her gun, disengaged the safety and fired without realizing that she had her gun in her hand instead of a taser. She did this without being in any danger. She was in a hurry. Her rush killed a 20 year old.

If 92 is correct about the Glock usage, there was no "flipping the safety off." The Glock safety is really designed to avoid non-trigger pull accidental discharge, not to place a obstacle in the way of pulling the trigger...

 

[B1GTide]

If 92 is correct about the Glock usage, there was no "flipping the safety off." The Glock safety is really designed to avoid non-trigger pull accidental discharge, not to place a obstacle in the way of pulling the trigger...

Agreed, but you feel it when you pull the gun. It is there, and it is obvious. The taser has no such device on the trigger.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Agreed, but you feel it when you pull the gun. It is there, and it is obvious. The taser has no such device on the trigger.

You do realize the tactile difference in feeling the Glock trigger safety and "flipping off" an external safety, as on a Commander 45? I've fired Glocks and I felt no resistance to speak of. Of course, my Kahr has no safety, only a stiff trigger pull...

 

[B1GTide]

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Is this her belt? Did she have the gun on the same side as the taser?

 

[NationalTitles18]

She has resigned.

Daunte Wright Killing: Officer Kim Potter, Police Chief Resign; Potter May Soon Face Criminal Charges

Mike Elliott, the city's first Black mayor, announced Monday night that the City Council had fired the city manager and voted to give the mayor's office "command authority" over the police force.

minnesota.cbslocal.com

 

[92tide]

Is this her belt? Did she have the gun on the same side as the taser?

if you watch the body-cam footage, at one point, you can see one of the other officers with a neon yellow taser on their left hip, so i would guess she would have the same set-up.

 

[B1GTide]

if you watch the body-cam footage, at one point, you can see one of the other officers with a neon yellow taser on their left hip, so i would guess she would have the same set-up.

Yeah, he has it cross fit so he would pull it with his right hand but in an entirely different motion.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Is this her belt? Did she have the gun on the same side as the taser?

It is a typical tac belt like the one described by her chief in his presser - taser mounted on the off-side. And, no, I'm not unique is not feeling the safety on a Glock, with its 5-6 lb trigger pull. There have literally been 100s of articles written on it, along with the accidents it's caused. Here's a starter...

WaPo

 

[B1GTide]

It is a typical tac belt like the one described by her chief in his presser - taser mounted on the off-side. And, no, I'm not unique is not feeling the safety on a Glock, with its 5-6 lb trigger pull. There have literally been 100s of articles written on it, along with the accidents it's caused. Here's a starter...

WaPo

I know - I refused to let my older son buy a Glock because it doesn't have a safety as far as I am concerned. He can buy one when he moves out of he wishes.

I did not realize that it was a Glock when I made my first post about the safety, but I stand by my point that the feel would be very, very different from pulling and firing the taser.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I know - I refused to let my older son buy a Glock because it doesn't have a safety as far as I am concerned. He can buy one when he moves out of he wishes.

I did not realize that it was a Glock when I made my first post about the safety, but I stand by my point that the feel would be very, very different from pulling and firing the taser.

And, on that point, we're totally in agreement. The Taser is designed to feel nothing like a pistol, on purpose. Even though not a rookie, this woman is working for a police force of a 2600 person suburb. At some point, her amount of experience will come out...

 

[Cruloc]

So he was pulled over because he had an expired tag? And I understand he also didn't have insurance....then they found out at that point that he had a warrant?

1. Police mistake #1....attempting to put handcuffs on him right at the drivers side door. Should have taken him to the back of the car.
2. The police officer trying to apply the handcuffs appears to fumble through putting the cuffs on.....was this guy a rookie?
3. The woman officer is yelling....with a gun in her hand....I'm going to tase you. The taser should have been on the opposite side of her belt to the gun.
4. The weight of that Glock and a taser should have told her she had the gun and not the taser......she was flustered obviously.
5. She shot Wright, could have shot the cop on the passenger side, could have shot the passenger.

Opinion.....the female cop lost her cool, was flustered, she shouldn't be a cop anymore. However, the moment Wright pulled away from the other officer and went back into the car....knowing they were arresting him for a warrant....that was his mistake.

Wright was in the wrong......the female officer made a terrible mistake in the heat of the moment, she was a 26 year veteran officer, wow, how do you confuse a gun and a taser.

 

[Cruloc]

Officials say Kim Potter could be charged soon for fatally shooting Daunte Wright

Body camera video showed Potter fatally shoot 20-year-old Daunte Wright during a traffic stop on April 11. Officials said she meant to fire her Taser.

www.kare11.com

And she and the chief have now officially resigned.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Officials say Kim Potter could be charged soon for fatally shooting Daunte Wright

Body camera video showed Potter fatally shoot 20-year-old Daunte Wright during a traffic stop on April 11. Officials said she meant to fire her Taser.

www.kare11.com

And she and the chief have now officially resigned.

Good.