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Sorry, he shot a kid. He had plenty of time to assess it was a small person he was chasing. You have to make sure before you shoot a human. I'd rather be dead than know I'd shot and killed a 13 year old.
Hell I'd be surprised if he even knew the kid was 13 until after the fact. Dark alley at 230am. As far as he knew he was pursuing an armed and dangerous suspect with a gun known to have been fired at vehicles.

I expect a lot of the police, want them held to a high standard, but my standard isn't so high as to ask them to risk letting a suspect known to have a gun and a willingness to use it potentially have the first shot in an armed confrontation.
 

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Hell I'd be surprised if he even knew the kid was 13 until after the fact. Dark alley at 230am. As far as he knew he was pursuing an armed and dangerous suspect with a gun known to have been fired at vehicles.

I expect a lot of the police, want them held to a high standard, but my standard isn't so high as to ask them to risk letting a suspect known to have a gun and a willingness to use it potentially have the first shot in an armed confrontation.
Barring further info, I'm inclined to agree with you. 2:30 am, report of shots fired, dark alley...not a good combo.

Also note that the cop IMMEDIATELY called for assistance and attended to the victim.

A tragic result, but not a criminal one.
 

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Are cops taught shot to kill when they draw their weapon? Maybe we should be teaching shoot to disable the threat. Aim for a leg or shoulder or warning shot for that matter.
 

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Are cops taught shot to kill when they draw their weapon? Maybe we should be teaching shoot to disable the threat. Aim for a leg or shoulder or warning shot for that matter.
If you are drawing a gun, you are employing deadly force. You do not maim or warn with a gun. There are other tools for that. Center mass, every time. Aiming for an appendage in a high pressure scenarios is a fools errand. "Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy."
 

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If you are drawing a gun, you are employing deadly force. You do not maim or warn with a gun. There are other tools for that. Center mass, every time. Aiming for an appendage in a high pressure scenarios is a fools errand. "Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy."
Actually, such studies as have been done are not very encouraging. Cops aren't good at hitting center mass, much less limbs...
 
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Too many westerns and latter-day flicks with miracle shots...
Everyone thinks Quigley Down Under is a realistic depiction of sharpshooting.

I just can't bring myself to fault the officer here. Kid obviously had a gun and when asked to "drop it" he unfortunately tried to chuck it away with a hand not in plain sight as he turned to face the officer and show him his hands. Cop had .8 seconds to process empty hands and was obviously devastated with what he'd just done.

Plenty of examples of policing screwing up out there. This isn't one of them.
 

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Hell I'd be surprised if he even knew the kid was 13 until after the fact. Dark alley at 230am. As far as he knew he was pursuing an armed and dangerous suspect with a gun known to have been fired at vehicles.

I expect a lot of the police, want them held to a high standard, but my standard isn't so high as to ask them to risk letting a suspect known to have a gun and a willingness to use it potentially have the first shot in an armed confrontation.
As far as he knew, he was pursuing a 13 year old. You can't shoot until you know what you are shooting.
 
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As far as he knew, he was pursuing a 13 year old. You can't shoot until you know what you are shooting.
He shot an obviously armed suspect fleeing the scene of a crime with a gun that had been discharged as indicated by shotspotter and whom he had reasonable suspicion was raising a gun his way, having seen it and ordered him to drop it.

It's unfair to hold him accountable for not knowing this was a kid. Plenty of sub 5'5 gangsters out there, and it's not like he could ask for his birth certificate during the pursuit.
 

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He shot an obviously armed suspect fleeing the scene of a crime with a gun that had been discharged as indicated by shotspotter and whom he had reasonable suspicion was raising a gun his way, having seen it and ordered him to drop it.

It's unfair to hold him accountable for not knowing this was a kid. Plenty of sub 5'5 gangsters out there, and it's not like he could ask for his birth certificate during the pursuit.
We'll have to agree to disagree, but one of the 5 rules of gun safety is to be sure of your target and what is beyond. The cop did not realize he was shooting a kid. He was not sure of his target. Out of fear for his own life, he pulled the trigger on a 13 year old kid.

FWIW, it takes a fastball 0.4 seconds to reach home plate.
 
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