Bama-Vandy Postgame Thread...

[RTR91]

I'm not saying the calls weren't crucial and didn't possibly cost us the game. What I am saying is that if we do the things we can actually control, we take the fate of the game out of the ref's hands. It all comes down to whether you have a victim mentality or not.

Horrible calls during the last 30 seconds though.

I think Bama did what it could control. It can't control a ref calling a timeout when a player calls for it. The team can't control that a ref doesn't call a foul when the hit was VERY obvious. The players can't control that the ref will call out of bounds when the player's foot is not near the baseline, although the defender is trying hard to push him out.

 

[rolltide2213]

we got cheated by the refs.

 

[RKel32]

With all due respect, sir, I do not have a victim mentality. I do have a mind for fairness, however, and when you're making a good faith effort, you should lose fairly, not due to the blatant, egregious incompetence of the officiating crew.

Didn't mean it as a personal jab. I apologize if it came across that way.

We can all argue about whether the refs were the ultimate reason we lost the game. The truth is no one thing cost us the game. The calls were horrible, but the team made mistakes throughout the game as well. It was a hard fought game that we came up short on and should've been given the opportunity to win on the court.

All that being said, tomorrow is a new game and one that we need pretty badly if we are to have any hope of making the tourney.

 

[CrimsonProf]

All that being said, tomorrow is a new game and one that we need pretty badly if we are to have any hope of making the tourney.

Agreed, and apology accepted.

RTR.

 

[jcjbam1]

Alabama got hosed at Vandy. Vandy and Coach Stallings know they were very lucky to win that game. CAG will bring in some more shooters and with the type of defense Alabama plays Bama will win the SEC down the road. I love the toughness and mean streak Alabama has now. RTR

 

[TexasBama]

Just saw a few minutes of this game and the Kentucky game, but our inside guys are as good as any I've seen. Vandy shot 47.4% from 3, hard to beat that.

We did move up a few slots in the RPI even with the loss.

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

don't agree with you on that one.........it's not that the officiating was bad, it's WHEN the officiating was bad!

your 100 % correct,
The home cooking got really obvious the last 5 minutes..I just call it like I see it , and It looked like some pockets was lined last night to me. I mean really, Have you ever seen a timeout "not Granted"???????????? It was absurd and the people who was responsible, should be reprimanded at the very least.

 

[Rama Jama]

Bama is good not great team this year. Given a few more years and we'll be unstoppable

The officiating last night was not terrible until the last 2 minutes of the game. We had 3 obvious calls that they just ignored. ( Mitchell mugging by the basket, the push by VU on green and the step out of bounds which wasn't). All calls that were wrong and all in Vandy's favor. All proven wrong by replay. On the other side they are call phantom fouls where the kid doesn't even touch him.

No this was game that the officials determined the outcome. You can say we should be able to overcome it, but in a close game like that the officials are going to determine the winner. I hope we are sending tape the the SEC office and suspend that crew.

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

The sec is going to review the "butcher job" the refs did on bama last night...

I hope some people lose their job.


SEC will review several calls from Alabama-Vanderbilt finish | al.com

 

[ElephanTideis]

The sec is going to review the "butcher job" the refs did on bama last night...

I hope some people lose their job.


SEC will review several calls from Alabama-Vanderbilt finish | al.com

I'm glad to see this is being taken seriously.

Yes. If we are up 20 it doesn't matter when we get screwed by the refs. But that doesn't mean that we weren't screwed by the refs, and it doesn't mean that said screwing wasn't the reason we lost the game given the circumstances. That's my problem with your logic. It assumes that that since we could have done something earlier in the game where getting screwed wouldn't have lost us the game that we can't blame the refs for screwing us. I refuse to accept that. Maybe if Vandy were a bad team, but they are not. When you play good teams, you expect close, hard fought games. The fact that they are close and hard fought makes what the refs did worse, not better.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Rama Jama]

Yes. If we are up 20 it doesn't matter when we get screwed by the refs. But that doesn't mean that we weren't screwed by the refs, and it doesn't mean that said screwing wasn't the reason we lost the game given the circumstances. That's my problem with your logic. It assumes that that since we could have done something earlier in the game where getting screwed wouldn't have lost us the game that we can't blame the refs for screwing us. I refuse to accept that. Maybe if Vandy were a bad team, but they are not. When you play good teams, you expect close, hard fought games. The fact that they are close and hard fought makes what the refs did worse, not better.

Amen Brother!

 

[day-day]

I believe Mitchell was elbowed when he went to the ground. I was under the impression that a foul such as that could be reviewed during the game.

It wasn't a "thrown elbow" in which the opposing player was swinging his elbow. It looked like Mitchell got struck by a forearm or elbow as the other player was swatting at the ball.

 

[RTR91]

I don't think the refs should lose their jobs. The ones who should lose their jobs are the ones that schedule a ref officiating 5 games in 7 days (Higgins) or a game every night from Monday until Thursday (one of the others). That is not right to the refs, players, coaches, and fans.

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

I don't think the refs should lose their jobs. The ones who should lose their jobs are the ones that schedule a ref officiating 5 games in 7 days (Higgins) or a game every night from Monday until Thursday (one of the others). That is not right to the refs, players, coaches, and fans.

These guys get off for 3/4 of the year . So I don't buy the over worked theory..Bottom line is it is the REFS responsibility to call the game fairly according to the rules, regardless of circumstance.

If it was 1 or even 2 bad or blown calls I'd not be irate, but the 5 minute debacle we all witnessed is inexcusable and needs to be addressed, with pink slips.

 

[bamadp]

You control the things you can control and you deal with the things you can't. If you leave the game in the balance, as Alabama did last night, then you are susceptible to what happened. At least I hope that is what CAG is telling his team. If you are depending on the officials to get it right 100% of the time you are screwed and there's nothing you can do about it.

I thought the call on Releford was horrible, and I think the official flat-out blew the call on Green. But if we're up 20 points (or even 10) at that point we're not even having this discussion. Simply put, we put ourselves in a position last night where everything had to go right at the end and, for whatever reason, legitimate or illegitimate, they didn't all go right and we lost.

It's a learing experience for a quickly improving Alabama basketball team. At least the discussion is something other than why we got beat by 20 again on the road and were not really ever in it.

BINGO!!!

Bad calls in the last minute cost us a chance to pull it out, but the things we did the other 39 minutes were the main culprits. Giving up 81 points and shooting 2-15 from three point range is on us, we have to own that...no one else. Vandy was averaging 78 points a game, we were giving up 58 points a game. They did what they normally do, we didn't. Whether it was great shooting from Vandy or poor defense by Bama, or a combination of both, it really makes no difference...81 points is 81 points. If one were to ask CAG, he'd be the first to tell you...bad officiating may have been the reason we lost the last minute, but it's not why we lost the game.

As I said after the UT win, the team doesn't need to get too high after a big win, or too low after a tough loss. OM is averaging 75 ppg., they're 16-8 with wins over UK at home and Arky on the road, so a win is not a given by any means. If we take care of our business Saturday, it shouldn't come down to a ref's call in the last minute. RTR

 

[RamJamHam]

BINGO!!!

Bad calls in the last minute cost us a chance to pull it out, but the things we did the other 39 minutes were the main culprits. Giving up 81 points and shooting 2-15 from three point range is on us, we have to own that...no one else. Vandy was averaging 78 points a game, we were giving up 58 points a game. They did what they normally do, we didn't. Whether it was great shooting from Vandy or poor defense by Bama, or a combination of both, it really makes no difference...81 points is 81 points. If one were to ask CAG, he'd be the first to tell you...bad officiating may have been the reason we lost the last minute, but it's not why we lost the game.

As I said after the UT win, the team doesn't need to get too high after a big win, or too low after a tough loss. OM is averaging 75 ppg., they're 16-8 with wins over UK at home and Arky on the road, so a win is not a given by any means. If we take care of our business Saturday, it shouldn't come down to a ref's call in the last minute. RTR

Thank you for your support.

 

[RamJamHam]

Yes. If we are up 20 it doesn't matter when we get screwed by the refs. But that doesn't mean that we weren't screwed by the refs, and it doesn't mean that said screwing wasn't the reason we lost the game given the circumstances. That's my problem with your logic. It assumes that that since we could have done something earlier in the game where getting screwed wouldn't have lost us the game that we can't blame the refs for screwing us. I refuse to accept that. Maybe if Vandy were a bad team, but they are not. When you play good teams, you expect close, hard fought games. The fact that they are close and hard fought makes what the refs did worse, not better.

Maybe we are looking at it from two different angles.

I am looking at it from the "how do we use the experience to get better" angle. If you put the loss last night solely on the officials, a facet of the game that we have absolutely no control over, what does that tell the players? Why play that hard if you're just going to get screwed by the officials and it's simply the luck of the draw who gets screwed?

I played (or at least practiced a lot) for a large 6A program in Alabama. You can't imagine some of the home-cooking I saw when we would play teams from the surrounding counties, and there's nothing you can do but play through it. It's tough when it happens at the end, but we always tried, largely successfully, to take it out of the hands of the officials, because we knew which way that would go.

If, however, what if you choose to say that yes, we had some bad calls in the last couple of minutes, but we could have taken care of all of that by doing a better job on defense (they scored right on their average while we gave up a lot more points than usual), using better shot selection (2-15 from three, with one of those being a prayer by Green, when we were pretty much carving up their zone defense), and just generally playing better? Doesn't that take the games from crapshoots to something that is more within their control?

Regardless of how bad the officiating was last night, and it left something to be desired, the result of the game will not change. Just like it didn't change as a result of the no-call PI against LSU in football several years ago. Play better, get further ahead, and take it out of the officials' hands. It's that simple.

If we still don't see eye-to-eye, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[ElephanTideis]

Maybe we are looking at it from two different angles.

I am looking at it from the "how do we use the experience to get better" angle. If you put the loss last night solely on the officials, a facet of the game that we have absolutely no control over, what does that tell the players? Why play that hard if you're just going to get screwed by the officials and it's simply the luck of the draw who gets screwed?

This angle is for the coaches to use.

We are not going to blow everyone out. Every team has close games.

There has never been a perfect team that played a perfect game every time. There is always something you could have done better. Are you going to put the loss on whatever it was you could have done better every time an official costs your team a game?

 

[Harmost]

The "This is the Time of Year" thread seems poignant right now...

 

[Mystical]

They showed the out of bounds play on Around The Horn on ESPN even they know we got cheated.