It was because of the OM injury. The play clock had run some but was reset after the injury timeout..
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Thanks. I wasn't able watch the game closely tonight. Had to off and on. So I need to go back and watch the replay.
Some things I would like to see happen for next game and then next year.
First for the next game.........Put in Coker for series and let Sims calm down. Jumping like a kangaroo for a third and one was just stupid for a 5th year senior to do. I am not saying that Coker is the guy, but for two or three times tonight Sims was making BAD reads and decisions with the ball. Coker could help Sims slow down and see what he needs to do next series.
For NEXT Season....... Reassign our Special Teams coach and Cristobal the O-Line Coach. J. Pendry was a Awesome O Line coach and with the talent we have on the o-line there is no reason for the failure we are experiencing last year and this year. Cristobal is a great recruiter but there is no excuse for the lack of physical play at the line of scrim.
The special teams ??? Needs help, except our putting; JK Scott is AWESOME!
Just my 2.5 cents worth of commentary!
First for the next game.........Put in Coker for series and let Sims calm down. Jumping like a kangaroo for a third and one was just stupid for a 5th year senior to do. I am not saying that Coker is the guy, but for two or three times tonight Sims was making BAD reads and decisions with the ball. Coker could help Sims slow down and see what he needs to do next series.
For NEXT Season....... Reassign our Special Teams coach and Cristobal the O-Line Coach. J. Pendry was a Awesome O Line coach and with the talent we have on the o-line there is no reason for the failure we are experiencing last year and this year. Cristobal is a great recruiter but there is no excuse for the lack of physical play at the line of scrim.
The special teams ??? Needs help, except our putting; JK Scott is AWESOME!
Just my 2.5 cents worth of commentary!
We won. We won ugly.
Who knows what will happen, but I'm just glad we won.
It's a shame, but Ole Miss looks like they're in the drivers seat, in the West.
Them, or Mississippi State.
We can make the playoff, but we better get better in a hurry.
In all honesty, we're just not very good.
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Who knows what will happen, but I'm just glad we won.
It's a shame, but Ole Miss looks like they're in the drivers seat, in the West.
Them, or Mississippi State.
We can make the playoff, but we better get better in a hurry.
In all honesty, we're just not very good.
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No, we ran the play clock down to 4 seconds and the game clock to 1:13 when we had a false start dead ball penalty. They reset the play clock and started the game clock. The game clock should of started on the snap. We caught a break. All they needed was a FG to win. Glad they didn't get the chance no matter how bad the kicker is.
I also assume you mean the Arkansas player.
Add the dynamics on the play calling. My appreciation to Blake for not totally freaking out waiting on a play. When its a Firedrill what are you going to get?! Penalties. I am confused on what happened between the Florida game and OM. As far as preparation. Play calling needs to be simplified and the OLINE helped out where possible. Some things may not be a good fit for the future. But all is not lost. These guys are fighting hard on each play and need the same effort from the staff. Coach may have to go old school on his staff. Sometimes you have to do things yourself. Roll Tide people. These guys are fighting and need our support. No matter what.
I noticed the clock running also. I think we caught a break and we'll hear more about this.
My take on that remains that most of the issues we are seeing on offense stem from the injuries. In 2005, the Alabama offense was humming, ironically against a very good Florida team. Prothro gets hurt, the offense starts limping, the starting center gets hurt later on, and during the period of time both missed, the offense had 50% less scoring than before.
Now, this team has way, way more talent sure, but I think the offense was successfully masking a lot of their issues. They lose a couple key guys, and I think that exposed the issues the offense has. If they can keep it together long enough to get healthy, and get a little more experience, I think they can get back on track.
Just rewatched it the Arky player was injured, they reset everything. We lined up, on third and two and then had a dead ball penalty. Just like I said there was maybe 1:02 in the game, they marked off the penalty , then reset the play clock and started the game clock. That was wrong. The dead ball penalty had nothing to do with the injured Arky player. The refs made a mistake in our favor. I don't like it because it could happen to us.
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Slightly different topic. I wonder if Bob Stoops still doesn't think Mizzou and A&M are overwhelmed lol. Lose 34-0 at home against a team without its best player and top 3 RBs and the other down 35-7 at home. Yes Bob, they are overwhelmed..
This is game was probably a good thing for the team. We have no where to go but up from here. The coaches and players will work extra hard to get this sorted out. Looking at the Aggies tonight I think we can win out. We need Ole Miss to take two losses (Auburn and State). The way the West is now I would be surprised if every team does not end up with at least one. I think the D is really close to be being shut down again. The DB's are playing good technique for the most part. When they get beat it's more of scheme than being beat in man situations. I believe that we will win.
I think some of the comparisons are rather misplaced.
1) All of you referencing the Shula and Dubious years really - I mean honestly - your recollection of those years must not be all that great because virtually every time we got into one of these type games during those years, we LOST. At least say this was more like Gene Stallings's 1991 team, the team that:
a) beat national title contender Memphis 10-7
b) beat 1-8 LSU in Baton Rouge, 20-17.....thanks to a blocked FG by Antonio London
c) beat a pretty good MSU team, 13-7, when State had the ball with a first and goal at the six and wound up not getting a point
d) beat a Tennessee team that looked so much better than us on paper but held on 24-19 after leading 24-3 in the fourth
This game was far more like that than the excursions into insanity captained by Shula and Dubious. Sure, Shula made off with a 13-10 win over Ole Miss and we got flat out lucky on the Vols - both in 2005......but go back and look at all the other years he was here. Virtually every time we had a close game, we lost. During Shula's tenure our record in games decided by 8 points or less (e.g. ONE score) was 5-15 including the 2006 Independence Bowl. Dubious was 8-10 in the same situation, and like Shula he had that "one good year" (when Shaun was a senior) where most of those games (like Florida in the Swamp) were won.
Stallings? He was 25-11-1 in one score games - after starting 0-3.
I mean, we ain't back to the Three Card Mikey era just yet.
2) Last week we played an apparently pretty good defense and were in position to win at the end. We failed. This time we had a ton of adversity and passed the test. No, it wasn't as pretty as the last few years - but a win is still a win. Before you keep up the hand-wringing just remember: the same Alabama team that was only leading La Tech 6-0 in the fourth quarter and Tulane 6-0 at the half and blew a 21-3 lead to MSU, tied with 5-6 Auburn at the half, and blew a 21-7 second half lead on Florida.......that's the SAME TEAM that blasted the so-called "team of the decade" on the Sugar Bowl floor and that everyone looks back now and talks about how insanely great the defense was.
Granted - is that LIKELY to happen? No. But over-reaction around this place drives me nuts. The moment we don't pound somebody 40-0, this board lights up with complaints of what's wrong.
When the year is over we will have a full body of work. Remember - just two weeks ago, aTm was going to chew up MSU and pass them out as pork sausage. The Aggies are now "0 for Mississippi" and heading to BDS next week as an underdog.
3) It's amusing how the score plays out and affects interpretation. Mississippi State had FOUR turnovers today but nobody cares. Why? Because they beat number two. State is a good team but they got extraordinarily lucky on a few bounces there (including an insane offensive PI call). Auburn was never closer than one score the whole day. They were 8 for 17 against an average defense on third down conversions. Prescott only completed HALF of his passes and threw twice as many picks as he did TDs.
But since MSU's crowd was wild and since they won the game......nobody looks very closely at it. People here are wringing their hands.
Keep in mind that they've won the last two weeks at HOME......they play us in BDS.
Look, I'm not going to blow smoke here and say we don't have issues - we DO have issues. But there's one positive for sure: there's no way we're doing a 2012 "start the year at the peak and get slightly worse but nobody notices until we lose." We still have a lot to play for, still have a lot that can happen - and each game is contained in its own space. If we handily beat the Aggies next week this game becomes a bad memory at best.
This was our first full game without three of those guys, one a genuine playmaker. Do I think we'll run the table? Not if we look like we did tonight. But remember - we might not look like that, either.
I'm concerned about stupid penalties, turnovers, and the lack of discipline but I DO think in this case it may be a lack of maturity due to inexperience. Simply look at the difference in JP Wilson in 2007 and then in 2008. This may be a year building towards the future fwiw.
I'm cautiously optimistic.
1) All of you referencing the Shula and Dubious years really - I mean honestly - your recollection of those years must not be all that great because virtually every time we got into one of these type games during those years, we LOST. At least say this was more like Gene Stallings's 1991 team, the team that:
a) beat national title contender Memphis 10-7
b) beat 1-8 LSU in Baton Rouge, 20-17.....thanks to a blocked FG by Antonio London
c) beat a pretty good MSU team, 13-7, when State had the ball with a first and goal at the six and wound up not getting a point
d) beat a Tennessee team that looked so much better than us on paper but held on 24-19 after leading 24-3 in the fourth
This game was far more like that than the excursions into insanity captained by Shula and Dubious. Sure, Shula made off with a 13-10 win over Ole Miss and we got flat out lucky on the Vols - both in 2005......but go back and look at all the other years he was here. Virtually every time we had a close game, we lost. During Shula's tenure our record in games decided by 8 points or less (e.g. ONE score) was 5-15 including the 2006 Independence Bowl. Dubious was 8-10 in the same situation, and like Shula he had that "one good year" (when Shaun was a senior) where most of those games (like Florida in the Swamp) were won.
Stallings? He was 25-11-1 in one score games - after starting 0-3.
I mean, we ain't back to the Three Card Mikey era just yet.
2) Last week we played an apparently pretty good defense and were in position to win at the end. We failed. This time we had a ton of adversity and passed the test. No, it wasn't as pretty as the last few years - but a win is still a win. Before you keep up the hand-wringing just remember: the same Alabama team that was only leading La Tech 6-0 in the fourth quarter and Tulane 6-0 at the half and blew a 21-3 lead to MSU, tied with 5-6 Auburn at the half, and blew a 21-7 second half lead on Florida.......that's the SAME TEAM that blasted the so-called "team of the decade" on the Sugar Bowl floor and that everyone looks back now and talks about how insanely great the defense was.
Granted - is that LIKELY to happen? No. But over-reaction around this place drives me nuts. The moment we don't pound somebody 40-0, this board lights up with complaints of what's wrong.
When the year is over we will have a full body of work. Remember - just two weeks ago, aTm was going to chew up MSU and pass them out as pork sausage. The Aggies are now "0 for Mississippi" and heading to BDS next week as an underdog.
3) It's amusing how the score plays out and affects interpretation. Mississippi State had FOUR turnovers today but nobody cares. Why? Because they beat number two. State is a good team but they got extraordinarily lucky on a few bounces there (including an insane offensive PI call). Auburn was never closer than one score the whole day. They were 8 for 17 against an average defense on third down conversions. Prescott only completed HALF of his passes and threw twice as many picks as he did TDs.
But since MSU's crowd was wild and since they won the game......nobody looks very closely at it. People here are wringing their hands.
Keep in mind that they've won the last two weeks at HOME......they play us in BDS.
Look, I'm not going to blow smoke here and say we don't have issues - we DO have issues. But there's one positive for sure: there's no way we're doing a 2012 "start the year at the peak and get slightly worse but nobody notices until we lose." We still have a lot to play for, still have a lot that can happen - and each game is contained in its own space. If we handily beat the Aggies next week this game becomes a bad memory at best.
This was our first full game without three of those guys, one a genuine playmaker. Do I think we'll run the table? Not if we look like we did tonight. But remember - we might not look like that, either.
I'm concerned about stupid penalties, turnovers, and the lack of discipline but I DO think in this case it may be a lack of maturity due to inexperience. Simply look at the difference in JP Wilson in 2007 and then in 2008. This may be a year building towards the future fwiw.
I'm cautiously optimistic.
This one reminded me of the 09 win against Lanes Viles. Had no business winning but got it done. Hopefully we can straighten out the issues but I'm not sure that will happen in time. Mirrors 2010 a lot too.
Bama has a record of 84-16 in Saban's first 100 games at Bama. (77-10 from 08-now)
Bama now has a winning record of 18-7 on the field against the Razorbacks.
Bama now has a winning record of 18-7 on the field against the Razorbacks.
I think that's an excellent point. For me, Gene Stallings was really my introduction to Alabama football, up until that point I'd never played myself, didn't even know the rules, and it was just a thing my dad watched. I immediately became spoiled and decided that Alabama's rightful place was at #1 and anything that happened to prevent that was a problem. Even Gene Stallings couldn't meet my expectations.
I was humbled by the years since, and grew to fondly remember those Stallings years. That isn't to say a coach gets my undying loyalty, I always doubted Shula, with the exception of a few quarters. The difference is, he'd never proven himself, he had gave me nothing to put faith in, I couldn't just say he knew what he was doing and assume things would get better. In this situation, we have ever reason to believe Saban and his highly qualified staff knows what they are doing. So, I believe things will get better, if not this year then in the relatively near future. They've earned my confidence, this isn't at all like the situations we saw between Stallings and Saban.
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