CFN: Florida State and the "Rigged" College Football Playoff: Daily Cavalcade

TiderJack

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Just proves they are a bunch of softie quitters that wouldn’t have made it anyways. If you don’t even have enough pride to play for your school against the two time defending NC, then you were gonna quit in the semis when it got hard for once too.
Agreed. It's a culture thing. You did not see Bama guys sitting out last year. Bryce, Will, Gibbs, Branch, Battle and several more later round guys all played against KState last year in a game not near as important for our program as this one is to their program.
 

hfhmilkman

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NFL scouts aren't always right. There is a very long list of failed NFL QBs over the years
And many of those failed QB's played in the toughest conferences. Picking QB is probably the hardest thing to do. Big12 did not stop Mahomes from being the best QB in the NFL. You are welcome to pick your best NFL QB's if you are implying that Caleb Williams stinks because he played his college ball in the Big12 and Pac12.
 
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hfhmilkman

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This, though, is largely nostalgia run amuck. Not to blow my own horn (but "toot! toot!"), but this site is littered with posts I've spent hours researching that should prove to any open-minded person that college football parity always has been and always will be a myth. The information is elsewhere and can be found with a simple search, but let's go over it in a general sense:

BIG TEN CHAMPIONS (1968-86) - Michigan or Ohio St won every single year (and shared several) except 1983 and 1985 (17 out of 19)
SEC CHAMPIONS (1964-82) - Alabama or Georgia (or both) won every single year except 1967, 1969, and 1970 (16 out of 19)
BIG 8 CHAMPIONS (1959-95) - Nebraska or Oklahoma (or both) won every single title of the 8-team era except 1960, 1989, and 1990 (34 out of 37 years)
SWC CHAMPIONS - Texas won 8 of 10 titles (1968-77), but thanks to everyone being crooked, there was a little more parity

The ACC had the most parity - it was also the least-watched conference on national TV, too.

What changed this for the better?

1) In 1972, freshmen were permitted to play.
2) In 1973, the NCAA passed scholarship limitations that took effect in 1976. Of course, it took a few years to run through that cycle where a team that MISSED on a particular recruit didn't have ample supply of reserve to replace him. But once that happened, the playing field was slightly more level in favor of allowing teams like Illinois or Iowa or Wisconsin to actually compete in the Big Ten (for example)





Let me tell you the part I find funny about this - it's the third stage of the same argument.

The FIRST argument was always this: 'Superstar X' is going to Oklahoma because Oklahoma appears on national TV and permits him his dream of playing in the NFL has a greater chance of becoming a reality. Superstar X might have lived in Lampasas, TX, but Texas had a full shelf at his position. Or he might have lived in Lubbock but Tech didn't play on TV very often.

The SECOND argument was always this: "the big schools can pay players to come there, so the little schools have to offer bribes to induce players to come play for us." This is on page one of the Auburn recruiting manual, I say half-facetiously. THAT justification came up so many times out of Auburn mouths for years - "since Bear Bryant is paying players to come to Alabama, WE HAVE TO break the NCAA rules to be able to compete with them!" Never mind that they never produced the first shred of evidence that such ever happened AT ALABAMA. (Bryant freely admitted he broke the rules at aTm, but as was said about our former governor's segregationist stance, "He wasn't singing no solo.").

What ALL THREE of these arguments are saying but not willing to verbalize is this:
COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYERS WOULD RATHER PLAY FOR BIG-NAME SCHOOLS WHO WIN BALLGAMES AND PLAY ON NATIONAL TV AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE AT BEING RICH!!

That's why NCAA probation was a really big deal at one time.





Let's go further back than just this year:

2010 - Cam Newton - won it at Auburn, started at Florida (we'll leave it at that for now)
2017 - Baker Mayfield - started at Tech, won it at OU
2018 - Kyler Murray - wasn't very good in the SEC, won it at OU
2019 - Joe Burrow - left Ohio St, won it at LSU
2022 - Caleb Williams - left OU, won it at USC
2023 - Jayden Daniels - left Arizona St, won it at LSU

One problem with your theory is that I'd consider Ohio St a more historic Blue Blood program than LSU, and Williams left OU for another one. Granted, you mention Nix, but that's a unique situation that has as much to do with the Nuthouse that has long run the Auburn program and their truckling sycophants, many of whom have jumped the fence and supported Nix over Harsin et al. Penix was a different situation. He did well and kept tearing his ACL. Remember when Indiana was actually in serious consideration for the playoff if they could beat Ohio State? Penix was on that team as the starting QB then got hurt and KO'ed the following week against Maryland.

In the end, none of what we think matters.

They're going for money.

Yes, a super division in football makes sense, but the small schools will never let it happen. If they would, it would have happened years ago. The Hangers On - the 104 schools in FBS who have never won a national championship in football - have to stick like Super Glue to the achievers via conference to keep the money coming.

The Big Ten adding Penn State via delay in 1989 and then Notre Dame withdrawing from the CFA to negotiate their own TV contract began this whole thing. We can argue they contributed to the problem, but they were looking out for their own best interests.


Just like everyone else.
Thank you for the very detailed reply. I agree with you past tense that the other hundred schools will not let the top twenty leave. You agree that money is pushing the narrative. If money is pushing the narrative and the top 20 see more dollars if they go the way of a premier league, what is to stop them? Every time an organization or individual has pushed against the NCAA's authority, the NCAA has conceded. The superconference might be able to do this defacto. If those who make the decisions of the 12 who get in have the ear of the superconference, then the 12 players will come from the same superconference.

Regardless of myth of equality, everything worked because as I said from the beginning, there was a shot at least to play. Posters pointed out that teams that peaked like 2015 MSU or those ND teams did have a chance to play. Those games are being removed by administrators. NCAA basketball had it best just because it cost nothing to let everyone in. Every conference was given one position.

I will iterate if the 12 team playoff is the new indefinite model, the other conferences have to have a guarantee. Someone may have to say what is a power conference and what is not. I don't think the MAC winner should demand a spot. But whatever is left of the Big12 and ACC should have a least one spot.

I just don't see the point of a conference any longer. What is the Big10? the Big10 used to be the public universities in the upper Midwest that were AAU certified. It was as much an academic agreement run by the Committee of Institutional Cooperation. If FSU joins(They don't have AAU certification),the conference will span both coasts, and the northern and southern borders of the country. And its all being driven by football.

The Big10 worked because the academic ties were stronger than the athletic ties. When do sports begin to dictate the conduct of a University? Unlikely with the UM as the actual business of being a public research university is roughly a 5B dollar endeavor. I am guess as its hard to count up all of the dollars. The general fund is approaching 3B. The University of Michigan Hospital octopus is so large I can't make heads or tails where the hospital begins and the research ends.

I guess what I am saying is conferences were academic conferences first, and athletic second. What happens when the ties are flipped?
 

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Thank you for the very detailed reply. I agree with you past tense that the other hundred schools will not let the top twenty leave. You agree that money is pushing the narrative. If money is pushing the narrative and the top 20 see more dollars if they go the way of a premier league, what is to stop them? Every time an organization or individual has pushed against the NCAA's authority, the NCAA has conceded. The superconference might be able to do this defacto. If those who make the decisions of the 12 who get in have the ear of the superconference, then the 12 players will come from the same superconference.

Regardless of myth of equality, everything worked because as I said from the beginning, there was a shot at least to play. Posters pointed out that teams that peaked like 2015 MSU or those ND teams did have a chance to play. Those games are being removed by administrators. NCAA basketball had it best just because it cost nothing to let everyone in. Every conference was given one position.

I will iterate if the 12 team playoff is the new indefinite model, the other conferences have to have a guarantee. Someone may have to say what is a power conference and what is not. I don't think the MAC winner should demand a spot. But whatever is left of the Big12 and ACC should have a least one spot.

I just don't see the point of a conference any longer. What is the Big10? the Big10 used to be the public universities in the upper Midwest that were AAU certified. It was as much an academic agreement run by the Committee of Institutional Cooperation. If FSU joins(They don't have AAU certification),the conference will span both coasts, and the northern and southern borders of the country. And its all being driven by football.

The Big10 worked because the academic ties were stronger than the athletic ties. When do sports begin to dictate the conduct of a University? Unlikely with the UM as the actual business of being a public research university is roughly a 5B dollar endeavor. I am guess as its hard to count up all of the dollars. The general fund is approaching 3B. The University of Michigan Hospital octopus is so large I can't make heads or tails where the hospital begins and the research ends.

I guess what I am saying is conferences were academic conferences first, and athletic second. What happens when the ties are flipped?
Summary?
 

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I was invited to a friends home yesterday for Christmas and a few people he invited didn't know I am a Bama fan, so I had to listen to them say that they think FSU was robbed by not getting selected. My friend asked me what I thought and all I said was that since FSU was a significantly worse team without Travis and the fact that the ACC was a relatively weak conference this season were factors the committee had to consider. I could have also said that I think Bama or Texas could have beaten FSU even with a healthy Jordan Travis but since Christmas is supposed to be a joyful day I didn't want to get into a heated argument with anyone.
 
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twofbyc

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This is why I hope Georgia beats them like a red-headed stepchild. If the game is anywhere near close, or if FSU somehow shocks everyone and finds a way to win, we'll never hear the end of it.
If …
Georgia doesn’t choose to play only backups after the first quarter
They don’t have massive opt- outs between now and then
They get off the bus - awake
Georgia should win by at least 20-25 points.
Kirby wants to prove Georgia should be in the playoffs; if that sentiment is shared in intensity by the players, this is no contest. But nobody knows - a lot of Georgia players are jumping in the portal, some with considerable experience. They’re not necessarily all jumping for more playing time; so gauging the team’s focus isn’t easy.
If FSU should somehow win, Georgia can’t play it off as “they didn’t want to be there”. If Bama wins out it doesn’t matter, but God forbid they don’t, FSU winning doesn’t help Bama at all, and that really matters only if it was going to be a four team playoff next year. It’s not so it would only matter to the whining Nole fans.
I don’t like Georgia at all - hard to root for them to win, but if they do big it definitely doesn’t hurt Bama.
 

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If there were any sensible FSU fans ( Narrator: there weren't ), they would save their hate for Georgia for not taking care of business against us, and Michigan for being such despicable cheaters that the committee was looking for any opponent that wouldn't let Harbaugh pick up an easy NC on his way out the door.
 

BAMAfan777

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Probably won’t hear as much from FSU fans after 5 loss USC dismantled ACC runner-up Louisville last night. USC back-up quarterback threw for 6 touchdowns against the Cardinal defense. FSU struggled to score against Louisville in the ACC championship. Enough said, hope you win your lawsuit, so you can get your behinds kicked in a real conference!
 

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Probably won’t hear as much from FSU fans after 5 loss USC dismantled ACC runner-up Louisville last night. USC back-up quarterback threw for 6 touchdowns against the Cardinal defense. FSU struggled to score against Louisville in the ACC championship. Enough said, hope you win your lawsuit, so you can get your behinds kicked in a real conference!
Bwahahahahaha!!!!🤣🤣🤣
 

TideEngineer08

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FSU crybaby players going full UCF

FSU players considering hanging banners, having championship parade if they beat Georgia.

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"That's tough," defensive lineman Braden Fiske said. "I don't know. Would it be phony? That's weird. Would it be cool? Sure. But would it be a little bit cooler to actually be in [the playoff] and feel that confetti drop?"
This is all very sad and pathetic.
 
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FSU crybaby players going full UCF

FSU players considering hanging banners, having championship parade if they beat Georgia.

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This is all very sad and pathetic.

So FSU, who for years were among the sport's elite teams, have morphed into both Boise State AND UCF?

Bobby Bowden is going into high rotation up in that Trussville cemetery.