Correct, he had nothing. At least Ogre could recruit. They are the same. Hometown boys done good, cheap salary (at the time), and willing to come. The results are panning out the same, only Shula didn’t have some miracle defensive coordinator to take his ten win season to a NC. Both in over their head.Shula had previous coordinator experience - and didn't have the 16-27 HC record Orgeron had before being hired at LSU.