Condi Speaks!!

[jthomas666]

Caught the first 10 minutes of her statement on NPR on the way in to work. Very impressive--she presented her information in a well organized, readily accessible manner. I'm looking forward to reading the rest of her statement.

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"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying." --Woody Allen

 

[CrimsonNan]

Thanks JT - I had forgotten that her testimony was today.

 

[CrimsonNan]

That complete moron Bob Kerrey (?), while questioning Condi RICE, kept referring to her as Dr. CLARKE over and over again. She also managed to hold her own while attempting to answer a question that HE himself asked her. I admire her restraint. At the present time someone else is questioning her, however he seems to have more manners than the idiot Bob Kerrey.

 

[crimsonman]

Yeah, I'm only able to catch a little here and there of the hearing, but I've noticed everytime I've watched it that it is the DEMOCRATS who continue to ask the same questions over and over and over and over again. They're obviously using this hearing as a means to demean the current presidency and his cabinet.
What I'd like to know from some liberals on this board: Do you HONESTLY think that anything could have possibly been done to prevent this horrendous massacre?! If you say yes, the only thing you can point to is that it should've been handled by the last President because we were attacked on his watch FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!! But we see how courageous he was. Sit on his brains and fire a couple of missiles and pretend to be taking care of the problems. He oughta be made to have to sit in this hearing in public and answer questions just like Condi!
And did I mention, John Kerry is a JOKE!!!

 

[Bama's Belle]

I thought Condi handled herself extreamely well, and she maintained her Courtesy and decorum despite some of the people being extreamly rude to her. One of the guys I thought was being a Jerk, everytime she tried to answer he got all rude and cut her off. The one who was on the Watergate commission.

I really dont think any administration, Republican or Democrat could have effectively predicted or prevented September 11 and I am really bothered that they want to attach blame to someone when really the blame lies on these terrorists.

I dont think any of us had any idea of the scope which Sept 11 was carried out, and would any of us have taken a threat like that seriously before then? NO.

I do not blame Pres. Bush or his cabinet for Sept 11.

 

[jdpas29]

i didn't know much about Dr. Rice before this depo, but i think i can see her a little more clearly now. she's kinda hot... in, like, a librarian kinda way.

she has the sexy teeth gap like lauren hutton!

 

[TexasTide]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama's Belle:

I really dont think any administration, Republican or Democrat could have effectively predicted or prevented September 11...

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This is something we will never know the answer to, but after listening to Rice it sounds like Bush and his cabinet did more to make the US secure in 233 days(or whatever the exact number was) than Clinton and his cabinet did in 8 years. They talked about it a lot but never really did much.
Looking back, it's really amazing how much Bush did accomplish given the short amount of time and the condition of the various agencies. Just getting cooperation from Palestine was huge.

The big complaint, or a big complaint, seems to be the lack of communication between the various agencies and their subordinates. The Democrats want to know, why, since Rice admitted to being aware of the problem, it took so long to fix. Then at the same time Democrats condemn the Patriot Act, the very thing that broke down the communication barriers.

Clinton had 8 years to fix the communication problem and during his Presidency it appears that it actually got worse. Bush and his cabinet made an effort to fix the problem as soon as possible, yet they get blamed by many Liberals for "allowing" 9-11 to happen.




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[bobstod]

Along with Belle, I don't think either administration is wholly at fault in the failure to see and prevent 9/11. I certainly don't think that GWB or Condi Rice had information and suppressed it.

I watched the entire testimony, and I thought the Democrats, particularly whatshisname mentioned above, were pressing to show blame and score points against Bush.

As I have said before on this forum, that is not what this commission should be about. their purpose should be to find out what weaknesses in our system caused the failure, and to recommend and effect changes so that we do better next time. Period. Blame helps nobody.

Except, of course, in a political way. If enough doubt about GWB's forthrightness with regard to his reasons for invading Iraq can be brought out, it may lose him the election.

For my money, I don't think that is the right way to win the election. There are plenty of reasons to UNelect the Bush Administration, without blaming it for a disaster that surprised and shocked us all; or for pursuing his war on terror as he thought best.

I might observe, in closing, that many on this forum, and indeed on this thread, are no better than those Democrats trying to score points by divisiveness. Go back and count the number of comments that fix blame, or characterize the opposition as idiots or worse.

I will be very glad when we can move beyond this polarization, and begin to think as Americans again, instead of as Democrats or Republicans, or as conservatives or liberals. Not much gets done in a country so divided against itself...

 

[deliveryman35]

Condi for Prez in '08!!!!

 

[Mamacalled]

Bob,
Kind of like your post where you attacked my intelligence and education?

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[LoudBamaFan]

The whole thing is overly politicized. NEITHER side is gonna give on anything, so we are not going to find out what could/should have been done differently to prevent 9/11 so that it doesn't happen again. That's not what's important to all these politions...both democrat and republican.

I am a proud democrat, but I really like Dr. Rice. She's an awsome speaker and is smart as all get out. She is the only one in that administration that I believe shows the proper amount of good sense to be in her position.

However, she's as guilty as anyone else. She would rather put any and all blame off on someone else, rather than say,"Hey, you know, we actually probably could have done this differently..." But no, she wouldn't give, they wouldn't give. It's all very silly.

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[LoudBamaFan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bobstod:
Along with Belle, I don't think either administration is wholly at fault in the failure to see and prevent 9/11. I certainly don't think that GWB or Condi Rice had information and suppressed it.

I watched the entire testimony, and I thought the Democrats, particularly whatshisname mentioned above, were pressing to show blame and score points against Bush.

As I have said before on this forum, that is not what this commission should be about. their purpose should be to find out what weaknesses in our system caused the failure, and to recommend and effect changes so that we do better next time. Period. Blame helps nobody.

Except, of course, in a political way. If enough doubt about GWB's forthrightness with regard to his reasons for invading Iraq can be brought out, it may lose him the election.

For my money, I don't think that is the right way to win the election. There are plenty of reasons to UNelect the Bush Administration, without blaming it for a disaster that surprised and shocked us all; or for pursuing his war on terror as he thought best.

I might observe, in closing, that many on this forum, and indeed on this thread, are no better than those Democrats trying to score points by divisiveness. Go back and count the number of comments that fix blame, or characterize the opposition as idiots or worse.

I will be very glad when we can move beyond this polarization, and begin to think as Americans again, instead of as Democrats or Republicans, or as conservatives or liberals. Not much gets done in a country so divided against itself...</font>

I agree. It's issues like gay marriage that are separating people. If people could learn to live and let live, things would be a lot better. But no, everyone is too concerned with what someone else's life choices are when they should be worrying about themselves and their own lives. It's very sad.

 

[CrimsonNan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by LoudBamaFan:
The whole thing is overly politicized. NEITHER side is gonna give on anything, so we are not going to find out what could/should have been done differently to prevent 9/11 so that it doesn't happen again. That's not what's important to all these politions...both democrat and republican.

I am a proud democrat, but I really like Dr. Rice. She's an awsome speaker and is smart as all get out. She is the only one in that administration that I believe shows the proper amount of good sense to be in her position.

However, she's as guilty as anyone else. She would rather put any and all blame off on someone else, rather than say,"Hey, you know, we actually probably could have done this differently..." But no, she wouldn't give, they wouldn't give. It's all very silly.

[This message has been edited by LoudBamaFan (edited 04-08-2004).]</font>

Actually Condi Rice said that NEITHER administration (Clinton or Bush) had done enough.

 

[NOSty]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CrimsonNan:

Actually Condi Rice said that NEITHER administration (Clinton or Bush) had done enough.</font>

Actually, she mentioned 20 years, so that would include Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton, and Dubya Bush. It goes back to Carter actually. This all started under Carter's Presidency and the Anwar Sadat murder. No one in the US has treated this for what it is. WAR! Until now...

"I want to know who this guy Allah is and what he has against airplanes? Jesus Christ was nailed to the Cross, but you don't see me flipping out every time i get near wood." - Lenny Clark, comedian.

Russians went into Afghanistan in the 80s because of the Muslim terrorism in the Baltic States. Reagan saw an opportunity to end Russian communism and hopefully set up allies in the middle east, but truth be known they(muslim terrorists) won't ever be our allies.

 

[LoudBamaFan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CrimsonNan:

Originally posted by LoudBamaFan:
The whole thing is overly politicized. NEITHER side is gonna give on anything, so we are not going to find out what could/should have been done differently to prevent 9/11 so that it doesn't happen again. That's not what's important to all these politions...both democrat and republican.

I am a proud democrat, but I really like Dr. Rice. She's an awsome speaker and is smart as all get out. She is the only one in that administration that I believe shows the proper amount of good sense to be in her position.

However, she's as guilty as anyone else. She would rather put any and all blame off on someone else, rather than say,"Hey, you know, we actually probably could have done this differently..." But no, she wouldn't give, they wouldn't give. It's all very silly.

[This message has been edited by LoudBamaFan (edited 04-08-2004).]</font>

Actually Condi Rice said that NEITHER administration (Clinton or Bush) had done enough.

I honestly think it would have made her seem more credible though to accept responsibility solely for SOMETHING. But oh well, that's politics. =)

 

[NOSty]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by LoudBamaFan:
I honestly think it would have made her seem more credible though to accept responsibility solely for SOMETHING. But oh well, that's politics. =)

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I honestly think it really wouldn't matter to you what she said. But oh well, that's politics as you say.

 

[bandersnatch45]

three cheers for Dr. Rice!