BREAKING Conservative Charlie Kirk Shot During Debate In Utah

[rolltide_21]

honestly this is the only form of social media where I even sorta express my opinions on politics and life. It’s because of the ability to be anonymous and it’s moderated. FB I hardly post at all. If I do it’s something very benign or celebrating student or school success. There really is no advantage to posting personal and political thoughts openly and without the luxury of anonymity on social media.

Agreed. For those who do, it's about a dopamine hit, not about truth. Those "likes" are a powerful drug.

 

[crimsonaudio]

honestly this is the only form of social media where I even sorta express my opinions on politics and life.

Same, same.

In reality, I realized long ago that social media was always going to be an extension of my business - it's the nature of my gig. So zero politics, religion, or private stuff on the various social media sites I use.

 

[dtgreg]

So let me get this straight. Kirk is to blame for his death because of the words he chose to use? If we, as a society are going to find some form of justification for people reaping physical harm for expressing political views, then there are a lot of politicians who say and have said things that have justified their physical harm. So what I'm saying is, if this pattern starts to become the norm, and it happens to someone "you support", I'm going to assume you'll administer the same level of justification for their death as well.

I am saying that, just as school children are paying with their blood and lives for our carelessness with guns, so did the man who led the Cause to keep the carelessness as policy.

I specifically stated that I don't want my fellow Americans gunned down. Be honest. Do you?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

.30 caliber round the adopted by the Army in 1906.
Mausers, made by Germany came from the factory chambered in 7.92mm. so this one has been rechambered or the barrel replaced or it is newly manufactured..

TW, you may have missed my earlier post. Rigby of London manufactured a breakdown rifle built around the Mauser 98 action. They did it decades ago but reunited and started building again in 2013. In the wee hours, there were two leaks out of the FBI, that it was an old rifle and was chambered in 30-06, which many Rigbys manufactured for export to the US were. Not saying it was the rifle, but whatever he carried could be broken down for a backpack. We were up until 4:00 AM because a house under renovation caught fire, through about 200' of tinder-dry woods from us and we were waiting to see if we had to evacuate...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I don't understand how anyone would go onto social media and say something they would NEVER say aloud in a public gathering (especially using their real name and associations).

Seems like a lot of people simply aren't intelligent enough to be on social media.

A reminder of what I said earlier, and I actually said this yesterday:

"American politics and who gets elected President makes total sense when you remember the average American reads at the sixth grade level. So you're not electing a President of the United States, you're electing the President of a Sixth Grade Class."

And remember...that's also the bulk of adults on social media, too.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I think those of us who have, or hope we have empathy, are taken aback by those who find it weak or deny its very existence becoming apoplectic when none is expressed over the guy who disparaged the very concept. Charlie Kirk, for those who read the bible, "sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind".

Charlie Kirk was the first one to tell you that "some deaths must be overlooked" to further the Second Amendment absolutism he believed in. He never seemed to think he might pay the price he was so easily asking school children to pay?

Blowback happened for Charlie Kirk. Do I like my fellow Americans being shot down in broad daylight? NO! But, no one should ever ask of others what they are not willing to pay themselves. I do not wish to pay this price, therefore I would place MANY restrictions on gun ownership.

So many times it seems that those who advocate for policies that do obvious harm to innocent Americans, and are easily proven wrong-headed by comparison to other countries with different policies, never pay a personal price for the harm they are ok with happening to others. The irony is too delicious for some to resist.

Every few pages it comes back around, “he didn’t deserve it, but yanno, he kinda did.”

Once again, research the entire posts on empathy and the second amendment.

Empathy - believed it was a word made up and used by Democrats in communicating. Preferred sympathy because it was genuine. The left being upset about him not believing in empathy is hilarious because the left is real quick to tell you that a straight, white male has no way of knowing what anyone else who isn’t a straight, white male is thinking, feeling, or believing.

Second Amendment - he said the deaths were a logical choice and a good deal because even without the second amendment those deaths would happen any way. People who aren’t supposed to have guns would still get guns anyway. The second amendment prevents some gun violence. Nothing will prevent all gun violence. It’s a callous opinion only because it’s based in fact and logic.

Just don’t be a lemming, do some research on the guy.

There’s some embarrassing crap out there, but dude was 31 and had been in the spotlight for a considerable time. A lot of his latest stuff is exactly what he was doing: college campuses trying to get people to think.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Same, same.

In reality, I realized long ago that social media was always going to be an extension of my business - it's the nature of my gig. So zero politics, religion, or private stuff on the various social media sites I use.

I used to post a lot of ripping politicians left and right, anyone who made a fool of themselves.

Covid broke me emotionally, and it broke me of that, too.

Mostly, I realized that all of my childish ranting about politics at a rapidly advancing age wasn't going to persuade even one voter or person to see things my way. I currently use the "memories" feature each day to go through and reset the settings to "only me" so that nobody can pull up anything later (just so long as I can get through this year without getting caught, LOL!).

I'll share history or fall foliage pictures or cute little jokes, particularly about myself.

But I also learned the most important lesson and without singling anyone out, it's true on this site as well: you can come armed with all of the data you want, it isn't going to change the minds of 90% of the readers.

I've gotten more than a tad angry at anti-vaxxers littering my social media page, but they're longtime friends, I just let it pass. For years I've thought folks were just being pretentious; the older I get, I'm deciding the truth is they really are just that dumb.

 

[Cruloc]

So let me get this straight. Kirk is to blame for his death because of the words he chose to use? If we, as a society are going to find some form of justification for people reaping physical harm for expressing political views, then there are a lot of politicians who say and have said things that have justified their physical harm. So what I'm saying is, if this pattern starts to become the norm, and it happens to someone "you support", I'm going to assume you'll administer the same level of justification for their death as well.

If that same level of "justification" is used we would be about where Sri Lanka was not long ago. Granted, they were going through a famine, blackouts, inflation, shortages at the time, but the people went and ran the elected officials off....and I imagine if they'd gotten their hands on them they would have "dispensed justice" on them.

That's not where I want to be as a country.....but we are headed towards a very dangerous place. Where one's words and opinions put them in someone else's bullseye....and its portrayed as "they had it coming."

 

[spidermayin]

Just based off what he looks like he'll get a lot more "He was so young and he ruined his life" versus the comments he/she would get if they had purple hair and glasses.

 

[colbysullivan]

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Did you think this was gonna be some kind of smoking gun or mic drop moment?

 

[Its On A Slab]

100%. Not just a military escort, but flown in Air Force 2. Most Americans probably don't know what something like that is reserved for. No civilian is worthy of that honor, imo. Non-elected civilian, that is.

All part of the martyrdom.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Agreed. For those who do, it's about a dopamine hit, not about truth. Those "likes" are a powerful drug.

I want to like this post but don't want to be an enabler.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Did you think this was gonna be some kind of smoking gun or mic drop moment?

Just a reminder, lost in all of the crying and weeping, that words have meaning.

And I wouldn't expect you to hear the mic drop, anyway.

 

[some_al_fan]

Can we please return to the topic of the shooter rather than the “catch-all political views thread”?

I wonder what the motive was for Tyler Robinson. Also, he does not fit either the narrative of “extreme left transgender antifa” or “professional”.
He looks like your regular guy next door from a happy Christian (Mormon?) family.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Mike Rowe: “It feels like somebody … shot the First Amendment.” “I think something extraordinary is going to happen in the days and weeks ahead.” “Something that never comes through on those videos—you see a guy in a tent … you see somebody on the other side, and you see the very thing the country was built on.” “Debate, disagreement, and exchange of ideas.” “[Charlie Kirk] went into the lion’s den. He was brave.” “I wonder if he was fearless. I wonder if he was scared. I wonder if he just did it anyway.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966157935341400162

 

[crimsonaudio]

NOW - Utah Governor Cox says "Russian and Chinese bots" are trying to "encourage violence" online over Charlie Kirk's assassination: "'we should put our phones down.'"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966322186689380464

 

[spidermayin]

Can we please return to the topic of the shooter rather than the “catch-all political views thread”?

I wonder what the motive was for Tyler Robinson. Also, he does not fit either the narrative of “extreme left transgender antifa” or “professional”.
He looks like your regular guy next door from a happy Christian (Mormon?) family.

I saw a few other pictures of him and even one of him as a young boy carrying a red rider style BB gun. I could never hit anything with those. So, he has probably been shooting guns since he was 6. He had anti fascist messages on the cartridges and even lyrics from a song that, according to AI, is anti-fascist. I think it's just a grudge against Charlie and his views.

 

[arthurdawg]

I don't know how many of you have been keeping up with this, but social media has been quite interesting to put it mildly.

So far - and I'm sure there's more:

- an employee of the Carolina Panthers
- an assistant to the vice chancellor at Ole Miss
- Matthew Dowd (MSNBC)
- a Phoenix Suns beat writer
- the dean at Middle Tennessee State
- a high school teacher in S Carolina
- a teacher at the school district in Lancaster, PA
- a suicide prevention coordinator in Colorado
- a MA school teacher

All have either been fired (in most cases) or placed on leave pending investigation for making dumb comments online about Charlie Kirk's death.

Jeez, folks, when these things happen you have three alternatives:
1) be kind
2) say nothing (which can be a form of #1)
3) be a jerk

Mom always says to never speak ill of the dead. Speak kindly or just reserve your thoughts.

I feel social media is cancer upon our society...

 

[some_al_fan]

I saw a few other pictures of him and even one of him as a young boy carrying a red rider style BB gun. I could never hit anything with those. So, he has probably been shooting guns since he was 6. He had anti fascist messages on the cartridges and even lyrics from a song that, according to AI, is anti-fascist. I think it's just a grudge against Charlie and his views.

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I am not sure the reported engravings make any sense:
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• "Hey fascist! Catch!"
• "O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao"
• "If you read this, you're gay. LMAO."

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[Its On A Slab]

NOW - Utah Governor Cox says "Russian and Chinese bots" are trying to "encourage violence" online over Charlie Kirk's assassination: "'we should put our phones down.'"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966322186689380464

A lot of the malevolence we are seeing is coming from these bots.

It used to be you could figure out the sham. You could see that the accounts were new, and the person had almost no friends. And the poor grammar was a dead giveaway. They have gotten a lot better.