I noticed a comment made this weekend by Croom that stuck out to me. When asked about the performance of Jimmy Johns against his MSU team on Saturday, Croom commented that, "I told him he would never play quarterback at Alabama". I want to get some opinions from you guys as to what do you think Croom's motives were in making that statement. I wonder if the Alabama grad is telling all potential African-American quarterbacks the same thing. If he is I think that that's a pretty underhanded, and overly suggestive recruiting tool!
Could Sly Be Bitter?
- Thread starter The Advocate
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Sly spreading "misinformation"...
about the Tide program?? :eek2: Say it ain't so! There isn't 1 SEC coach that would hesitate to do the same thing.
about the Tide program?? :eek2: Say it ain't so! There isn't 1 SEC coach that would hesitate to do the same thing.
He's just bitter. Bitter that he is 0-2 against Bama. Bitter he didn't get the Bama job. Bitter that we are snatching his recruits. 
The Advocate said:
To me I think it makes Sylvester Croom look stupid for saying that. If he knew anything about Alabama football he would know that there have been Black QB's at Alabama.
Walter lewis in the 70's - 80's
Andrew Zow
Danny Woodson
Still till this day Alabama has that stigma which is wrong in my opinon. I am not naive to the fact of Racism still exists. But most of it is because of assinine comments like this. Just my two cents.
Yes, he is bitter, but tis comment doesn't even mention race. He could very well have meant that he knew the other QBs that Bama already had and were recruiting, and that JJ wouldn't make the cut ay Bama. You might be reading too much into his comments...
I think he is VERY bitter
And I was a little disappointed at the level of "cheap shots" taken by MSU.
I thought I was watching UT there for a minute. His comment about Johns I don't think was meant with racial overtones. He just meant with the level of talent at Bama he might not be the starting QB and with the lack of talent at MSU he had a better shot. Now with that said, the QB that played on Sat is a pretty tough character and with some time could be a good QB. Johns is going to get playing time at Bama and he knows what his role is going to be. Coach Shula is an honest man and Im certain didn't sugar coat the recruit. Croom better lighten up a little. But I did notice those team pictures were all well groomed young men in suits and ties. Now that was class.
RTR
And I was a little disappointed at the level of "cheap shots" taken by MSU.
I thought I was watching UT there for a minute. His comment about Johns I don't think was meant with racial overtones. He just meant with the level of talent at Bama he might not be the starting QB and with the lack of talent at MSU he had a better shot. Now with that said, the QB that played on Sat is a pretty tough character and with some time could be a good QB. Johns is going to get playing time at Bama and he knows what his role is going to be. Coach Shula is an honest man and Im certain didn't sugar coat the recruit. Croom better lighten up a little. But I did notice those team pictures were all well groomed young men in suits and ties. Now that was class.
RTR
NYBamaFan said:
You right, I did jump the card a little too early. He does seem bitter though. Maybe because he wanted the Alabama job badly. Henig seems to be a good QB right now. He moves around well and he does make mistakes but that is Young QB's do. He will be fine.
He is very bitter towards Bama in my opinion. Some of the comments from the MSU players this week emphasized his bitterness. Croom is no longer a friend of Bama's and I have read that Croom has already turned Bama in for minor recruiting violations. One of them being the width of margin in a recruiting handout. I don't know if that is true but if it is it speaks volumes to me, He seems to be more worried about beating Bama than MSU's problems. I am sure they have their own football and recruiting problems to worry about.
His first few months at MSU he helped the MSU Basketball Coach recruit a top prospect from Birmingham that was thought to heading to Bama. It was down to either Bama or MSU. Croom was quoted by the prospects HC as saying that Croom promised that he would take care of the basketball player and make him a man if he came to MSU. The player went to MSU and subsequently had serious character issues. Apparently Croom didn't take care of him and I don't know or really care about the players status right now but last I heard he was seriously thinking about leaving the MSU program. My question is what is a brand new football coach at MSU doing recruiting BB players to MSU and away from Bama with personal guarantees about looking out for him?
I don't think comments about Johns after the game were so innocent or honest as some are saying. Croom was commenting to the press that "he told Johns he wouldn't play QB at Bama." That may be the case but he has no idea what the future holds for Johns. Johns started out as a QB at Bama as promised by Coach Shula and reportedly he had soreness from a shoulder injury that limited him and made it difficult for him to throw the ball. John's himself has said he wanted to play anywhere that could help the team rather than set the bench as a 3rd of 4th string QB.
If Croom was so concerned about Jimmy's best interest why did he not take the time to shake Jimmy's hand after the game? Why didn't Croom personally congratulate him on a well played game and wish him well on the field? Johns is quoted as saying that he was looking for Croom after the game and he couldn't find him and that some of the MSU players wouldn't even speak to him.
Unfortunately it looks like Bama has another obsessed bitter enemy that is a head coach of an SEC opponent. I hope I am wrong.
His first few months at MSU he helped the MSU Basketball Coach recruit a top prospect from Birmingham that was thought to heading to Bama. It was down to either Bama or MSU. Croom was quoted by the prospects HC as saying that Croom promised that he would take care of the basketball player and make him a man if he came to MSU. The player went to MSU and subsequently had serious character issues. Apparently Croom didn't take care of him and I don't know or really care about the players status right now but last I heard he was seriously thinking about leaving the MSU program. My question is what is a brand new football coach at MSU doing recruiting BB players to MSU and away from Bama with personal guarantees about looking out for him?
I don't think comments about Johns after the game were so innocent or honest as some are saying. Croom was commenting to the press that "he told Johns he wouldn't play QB at Bama." That may be the case but he has no idea what the future holds for Johns. Johns started out as a QB at Bama as promised by Coach Shula and reportedly he had soreness from a shoulder injury that limited him and made it difficult for him to throw the ball. John's himself has said he wanted to play anywhere that could help the team rather than set the bench as a 3rd of 4th string QB.
If Croom was so concerned about Jimmy's best interest why did he not take the time to shake Jimmy's hand after the game? Why didn't Croom personally congratulate him on a well played game and wish him well on the field? Johns is quoted as saying that he was looking for Croom after the game and he couldn't find him and that some of the MSU players wouldn't even speak to him.
Unfortunately it looks like Bama has another obsessed bitter enemy that is a head coach of an SEC opponent. I hope I am wrong.
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Doesn't matter when they can't recruit or coach worth a flip...Crimson Surfer said:
Sorry croom, but you're gonna get beat by Bama over and over and over...
Crimson Surfer said:
Is this a serious comment, or a joke? What is a "recruiting handout"? I would have thought it was slang for money under the table. Are you saying you heard that he turned us in for page margins on the border of a printed piece of literature??
UAME said:
I didn't know it was Croom turning us in for it, but I remember reading somewhere about a recruiting violation over the width of a margin in a hand-out.
Sounds like another obsessed rival coach. I wonder how long before Sly signs up for the "Phillip Fulmer School of SEC Private Investigators." I also wonder how many of these incidents it will take for some of our fans to stop constantly defending the man.
I think the appropriate question is "how could he be any more bitter?" Friends who are big State supporters even wonder about it.
Yes, the ncaa has nothing better to do than delve into such minute details of everything. As I understand it, there is a page limit on the amount of printed information you can provide to recruits. (I know, it's silly, but that's the nicest word I use about the ncaa anyway). Supposedly this keeps schools with less money from being at a disadvantage because they can't do as big, or long, or glossy a book as blah, blah, blah. The point is that to keep a school from getting a few extra words per page, they also set margin limits. That is, there are more words on a page of text with half inch margins than one inch margins. Given history, I don't blame the bitter coach in Starkville from bringing this to the ncaa's attention. If it's true, it'll probably cost us a scholarship for every eighth of an inch we were off.
As always, mods or someone please correct me if I'm off the beam.
Yes, the ncaa has nothing better to do than delve into such minute details of everything. As I understand it, there is a page limit on the amount of printed information you can provide to recruits. (I know, it's silly, but that's the nicest word I use about the ncaa anyway). Supposedly this keeps schools with less money from being at a disadvantage because they can't do as big, or long, or glossy a book as blah, blah, blah. The point is that to keep a school from getting a few extra words per page, they also set margin limits. That is, there are more words on a page of text with half inch margins than one inch margins. Given history, I don't blame the bitter coach in Starkville from bringing this to the ncaa's attention. If it's true, it'll probably cost us a scholarship for every eighth of an inch we were off.
As always, mods or someone please correct me if I'm off the beam.
I still think he is somewhere in the middle. Not as bitter as some make him out to be and not as full of loving goodness as others think.
His playcalling is, err, creative. Special? Unusual? Not very good?
His playcalling is, err, creative. Special? Unusual? Not very good?
Think about it. Alabama needs every scrap of space it can get to contains its history and tradition.UAME said:
All MSU needs is enough pages to make a flip-it of a steer being castrated.
Gosh, wouldn't you be bitter? :biggrin2:
The African American Phil Fulmer
Ole Sly better wake up and take note of how Fullmer's life has been since he decided to concentrate on Alabama and not take care of business at home.
To turn us in for such crap is unbelievable, but I have a question
"Don't we have anybody at Alabama paying attention to stuff like this?"
My God after what we have been thru we should have someone who's only job is to check everything coming out of our athletic dpts.
The decision to pass on him is making more and more sense.
RTR
Ole Sly better wake up and take note of how Fullmer's life has been since he decided to concentrate on Alabama and not take care of business at home.
To turn us in for such crap is unbelievable, but I have a question
"Don't we have anybody at Alabama paying attention to stuff like this?"
My God after what we have been thru we should have someone who's only job is to check everything coming out of our athletic dpts.
The decision to pass on him is making more and more sense.
RTR
To be fair...
JJ himself doesn't remember Croom making the QB remark, but he said that Croom did rip Bama pretty badly...
JJ himself doesn't remember Croom making the QB remark, but he said that Croom did rip Bama pretty badly...
Dakotatider said:
Don't forget Vince Sutton too. Lewis and Zow were outstanding for the Tide and are beloved by all.
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