Did T-Town Menswear Cause an NCAA Violation For Alabama? (UA says no)

[gladIam4UA]

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If this gets picked up by one of the major news outlets, then I'll get worried. I'll admit that I have no idea what an "approved" event by the compliance department might look like, but the pictures don't exactly look of the planned/professional type...looks very casual. Surely, surely TR has been told what is and isn't appropriate when signing memorabilia and having photos taken in a business with the business owner.

 

[SavannahDare]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

As the heat's getting turned up on the mouthbreathers down on the plains ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUT OF NO WHERE something pops up about Alabama and possible violations. How convenient.

It's not all of a sudden out of nowhere. They do this on a nearly annual basis.

 

[Jon]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

If Reier is saying that, then he's probably accurate...

It's not like we did not expect the Aub's to do this but I read on another board (ATPB I think) an Aub saying, "this came out earlier than we had planned, there is more, this is war"

I think we as a fanbase and a program need to be prepared. The Aub's are going SWC on us. They think we are behind all of their troubles and are not going down alone. If they can not find it, they will fabricate it. I hope our compliance and coaches have briefed the team fully...



J

 

[uafan4life]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

If this gets picked up by one of the major news outlets, then I'll get worried. I'll admit that I have no idea what an "approved" event by the compliance department might look like, but the pictures don't exactly look of the planned/professional type...looks very casual. Surely, surely TR has been told what is and isn't appropriate when signing memorabilia and having photos taken in a business with the business owner.

About the only thing that's inappropriate is the student-athlete getting some sort of compensation or benefit, monetary or otherwise, as a result of the signing. Players are allowed, by the NCAA rules, to sign autographs for anyone as long as they aren't receiving benefits for those autographs. That includes fans at media days, fan days, games, practices, etc. It also includes fans they meet in public: at the mall, at a restaurant, at a club, etc. If a fan happens to be a store owner, then so be it. If that fan, who happens to be a store owner, decides to prominently display these autographs out of pride and/or to promote his business, then so be it.

The only way this gets "tricky" is if the store owner was giving some sort of benefit to the players, e.g. a free suit for an autograph, a special discount, cash, etc.

So far, no one has offered any evidence of this, nor has even accused it as far as I can tell. At least not anyone even remotely considered an official member of the media.

 

[davefrat]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

the most disturbing thing about auburn these days is that the fans are so crazed that they would (in my opinion) consider it a victory if they did something that got BOTH our programs the death penalty. i honestly believe that they would consider that a wonderful, ultimate victory. they're nuts and they're totally out of control.

 

[uafan4life]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

If this gets picked up by one of the major news outlets, then I'll get worried. I'll admit that I have no idea what an "approved" event by the compliance department might look like, but the pictures don't exactly look of the planned/professional type...looks very casual. Surely, surely TR has been told what is and isn't appropriate when signing memorabilia and having photos taken in a business with the business owner.

An approved event could be as simple as this:

Trent: This guy at the mall asked me if I would mind signing a helmet and jersey for him to display in his store. Is that cool?
UA Compliance: Did he offer you anything in return?
Trent: No, he was asking me if I could do him a favor.
UA Compliance: Did he say whether or not it was for a function or event?
Trent: No, he just said it would great if I wouldn't mind stopping by and signing a few things sometime.
UA Compliance: It's fine as long as he doesn't offer you, or any other University of Alabama student-athlete, any sort of benefit. You can sign Jerseys, Helmets, Pictures, and any other memorabilia for any fan, just like at UA fan day, as long as there is no impermissible benefit being offered.
Trent: Cool. What about taking pictures with fans and stuff? What if he wants to take pictures while I'm signing this stuff?
UA Compliance: That's fine, as well, as long as there's no benefit just like with the autographs. It's probably best, though, if if you make sure it's not a public event. If the store wants to have a public event they need to coordinate that through the University. Contact the store owner and let him know that it's okay for you to sign stuff under these terms. If he agrees, then set up a date and time for you to do this and let us know when it will be.
Trent: Will do. Thanks.


Seriously, that literally could be - and probably should be - exactly how this sort of thing should be handled by the student athlete and the compliance department and how it went down in this case. In fact, it wouldn't make a difference, from an eligibility standpoint, for Trent to have done the signing right then and there when the guy asked him, and then asked the compliance department about it. The compliance department would then have asked Trent about the details, contact the store owner about the details, and then made a decision regarding the event. The wording though, about it being "approved" by UA compliance, makes it seem as though they knew about it beforehand.

 

[TideFan in AU]

Travis Reier is claiming, via twitter, that UA compliance approved this function; whatever that function was.

As far as the store owner displaying the memorabilia, what can UA do about that??

Just PRAY that our guys aren't getting a hook-up at his store.

Agreed! Unlike the barners, this does concern me, and I hope everything is on the up and up!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

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It's not all of a sudden out of nowhere. They do this on a nearly annual basis.

Auburn and their fans are sweatin' and squirmin' like a fat girl writing her first love letter. They know what's coming, even though publicly they are in denial. The hammer or should I say the MOAB is about drop in dufusville.

 

[Crimson Cat]

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I've seen those pics before and figured this was coming....an ITAT barn fan posted the pictures on the TD SEC board a few days (right after the story about the Chizik/ncaa confrontation story) ago trying to create a stir...and I don't think he got the response he was looking for from anyone (other than his barner brethren) and other than apparently proving that either Clay Travis reads tigerdroppings rant board or the barners have gone to the trouble of forwarding him the pics...I'm assuming it was the latter. No one on there seemed to think it was that big of an issue including most rival fans...

I'm not concerned...simply the barn fanbase attempting to deflect negativity back towards Bama...if you read their pathetic ITAT or Weagle board, it infuriates them to no end about BC and that their stupidly brazen attempts to "get dirt on Bama" went NO WHERE. But they want headlines of stuff out there about Bama and thats what this is about.

 

[bamaX12]

You might as well buckle up and get ready for this sort of trash. The closer we get to the barn imploding, and once it does, this is all you'll see. Once their team is dismantled they will do nothing but try to get us in NCAA trouble. They will pull out all the stops to get Bama investigated for something. That's just what little sisters do when they get their tails beat.

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[Johnnyb]

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I thought T-Town Menswear did all the suits for UA players anyways? As in, what I heard was that UA had a contract with them to provide pre-game attire for the players. Where else do you think they get all those suits to wear into the stadium? At least that was the impression I was given.

So if that's true, there's really nothing they could give these guys? They're already getting free suits from them through UA. If they just give the owner an autograph there's nothing wrong with that.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[RedStar]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

I thought T-Town Menswear did all the suits for UA players anyways? As in, what I heard was that UA had a contract with them to provide pre-game attire for the players. Where else do you think they get all those suits to wear into the stadium? At least that was the impression I was given.

So if that's true, there's really nothing they could give these guys? They're already getting free suits from them through UA. If they just give the owner an autograph there's nothing wrong with that.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

If that's true, then this is hilarious. Clay Travis really should have done a little more homework.

The funny thing about Clay Travis is that all UT fans HATE him, at least all the ones I know do. They all think he's a Saban sheep (they're words.)

 

[RTR91]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

I thought T-Town Menswear did all the suits for UA players anyways? As in, what I heard was that UA had a contract with them to provide pre-game attire for the players. Where else do you think they get all those suits to wear into the stadium? At least that was the impression I was given.

So if that's true, there's really nothing they could give these guys? They're already getting free suits from them through UA. If they just give the owner an autograph there's nothing wrong with that.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not sure UA can provide free suits to players.

 

[SavannahDare]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

I'm not sure UA can provide free suits to players.

I don't know what the arrangement is, or if one even exists. I would bet good money, however, that our compliance department is/has been on top of it. I just don't see something like this slipping through the cracks.

 

[uafan4life]

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I'm not sure UA can provide free suits to players.

I believe these would be provided to wear, not to keep, sort of like a uniform. I'm not familiar with this personally, but I would think that would be the situation. Rather than wearing custom track suits into the coliseum like the gymnasts do, the football players wear suits. There's no reason why one is a uniform and the other isn't, if provided for and handled the same way.

By the way, the University can provide clothing and other benefits to student athletes from an emergency fund created by the NCAA. I have no idea, however, what constitutes an emergency or what restrictions are placed on that fund.

 

[Johnnyb]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

I believe these would be provided to wear, not to keep, sort of like a uniform. I'm not familiar with this personally, but I would think that would be the situation. Rather than wearing custom track suits into the coliseum like the gymnasts do, the football players wear suits. There's no reason why one is a uniform and the other isn't, if provided for and handled the same way.

By the way, the University can provide clothing and other benefits to student athletes from an emergency fund created by the NCAA. I have no idea, however, what constitutes an emergency or what restrictions are placed on that fund.

The players wear gear from Nike and other providers all the time. It's given to them as apparell related to their sport. Why would a suit for pregame attire be any different? They get to keep all the workout gear and track suits, why not a pregame suit?

All UA has to do is have a contract with T-Town Menswear saying they will provide them with suits for the players, just like they have a contract with Nike saying they will provide them with workout gear.

 

[RTR91]

Re: Clay Travis Says We Are In Potential Trouble

I believe these would be provided to wear, not to keep, sort of like a uniform. I'm not familiar with this personally, but I would think that would be the situation. Rather than wearing custom track suits into the coliseum like the gymnasts do, the football players wear suits. There's no reason why one is a uniform and the other isn't, if provided for and handled the same way.

Ah. That makes sense.

I've seen the commercials Travis refers to, and I've been to University Mall when an autographing session was happening. The autographing session was when the players were out of college. The commercials were after the season. I don't see it being a problem.

 

[RKel32]

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The players wear gear from Nike and other providers all the time. It's given to them as apparell related to their sport. Why would a suit for pregame attire be any different? They get to keep all the workout gear and track suits, why not a pregame suit?

All UA has to do is have a contract with T-Town Menswear saying they will provide them with suits for the players, just like they have a contract with Nike saying they will provide them with workout gear.

I know this is accurate, but I've always wondered what the line is as far as how much gear a player can receive and what the stipulations on that gear are. If anyone knows, I'd love to know more.

 

[uafan4life]

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The players wear gear from Nike and other providers all the time. It's given to them as apparell related to their sport. Why would a suit for pregame attire be any different? They get to keep all the workout gear and track suits, why not a pregame suit?

All UA has to do is have a contract with T-Town Menswear saying they will provide them with suits for the players, just like they have a contract with Nike saying they will provide them with workout gear.

That's entirely possible. I'm not sure exactly how all that works, and it may very well be different from school to school.

 

[TideEngineer08]

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And some of you wondered why some Alabama fans wouldn't mind the series with Auburn being suspended. Crap like this is why.