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Execution vs. Playcalling

BAMARICH said:
For a
couple of games, we've had problems CONSISTENTLY getting a pass rush.
Average time a QB has after the ball hits their hands to get rid of it? Try
about 4-6 seconds (sometimes even longer). Watch replays... when their
QB has 5 or more seconds, they are successful... often with big gains. An
excellent job will be done this year against the rush... but our success as a
defense is going to be determined by improvement in this area IMO. BTW,
it is due to some extent to our tendency to use the 3-3-5 a good bit... our
young DB's are not yet that experienced and great innovation has got to be
used in order to get pressure on the QB with that alignment.
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The general consensus coming in to this season was that our DL was by far the strength of our defense. Why, then, don't we play more to our strength and go with a 4 man line more often. Seems like it would get more of our better players onto the field.
 
tidefanblake said:
"Not anymore than you post.

Queasy, did I not call it?"

--Mamacalled

I don't think number of posts on tidefans is a direct indication of football knowledge. You seem like one of the more knowlegeable posters, you should know that. I'm not a doom & gloom guy...i think shula is ultimately the answer, but i question some personel decisions (why not play Tatum when Capps was struggling?, Darby seemed to be still suffering from a hip problem & we have a loaded backfield--play some of 'em). I also question alot of the play calling--seems we can move the football but we need a shakeup in the redzone. I could go by play by play and i will when i watch the replay if someone wants, but i think you'd probly be too busy pumping sunshine to listen.

Execution= receivers catching the ball (they've been doing that), Offensive Line= vast improvement, JPW= playing as good or better than BC ever did, Tight Ends even catching the ball....the turnover ratio will fluctuate (we got 2 gimmies against Hawai'i at the goal line) Where's the execution breakdown TerryP?
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Because quite frankly he's not any better than Capps.

tidefanblake said:
Who failed to "execute?"
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How about the right side of the OL for starters. How about the RBs in the red zone. The playcalling was there, but once again the execution especially in the red zone was sorely lacking.
 
Execution problems?

I've read alot of posts on this forum lately that state that Bama's offense is having a problem with it's execution, particularly inside the redzone. Since I haven't actually seen the first two games, could someone who is knowledgable about the X's and O's and some of you who follow the practices possibly go into a little more detail about this lack of execution? Where is the execution breakdown happening (o-line, backs, QB, receivers and routes)?

I know alot has been said already, about how some RB's fumbled tonight, about how some key passes were dropped, etc. What I would like to know is what are some of these problems attributed to? What is the root cause? Is it the techniques/coaching? Youth? Inexperience? Lack of talent? I don't want responses that just bash on the playcalling or the coaches in general. I would like to have some even handed, level headed discussions about what the problems are, and what the possible solutions might be.
 
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Tradition4ever said:
I've read alot of posts on this forum lately that state that Bama's offense is having a problem with it's execution, particularly inside the redzone. Since I haven't actually seen the first two games, could someone possibly go into a little more detail about this lack of execution? Where is the execution breakdown happening (o-line, backs, QB, receivers and routes)?
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Fumbles hurt us today. Plain and simple. Two of them in the red zone inside the 15 yard line. Both coming at the end of VERY good looking drives.

Yup, that did it, yeah boy.
 
tidefanblake said:
2 fumbles don't lead to a 13-10 eaker versus Vandy.
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Too bad you're suspended, cuz I don't know if you'll see this or not, but actually, that's exactly what they did.

They took away an almost guaranteed 10 points (3 at least for a FG on the first one, which I believe we would have had, and a 2nd down at the 1, which I think even we could have punched in :)

So actually, yeah, that's exactly what those two fumbles did. Cuz then it would have been at least 23-10, and that ain't no eaker (?).

What's an eaker?

:biggrin:
 
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RolltideFanz said:
Fumbles hurt us today. Plain and simple. Two of them in the red zone inside the 15 yard line. Both coming at the end of VERY good looking drives.

Yup, that did it, yeah boy.
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UAB did the same thing against East Carolina today. Two fumbles in the red zone just about cost them the game.

East Carolina was about to win the game on a long 4th down pass play in the final seconds, but their receiver fumbled the ball into the end zone for a touchback, like Georgia's punt returner did last week.

Both teams tried hard to lose, but I guess East Carolina tried harder.
 
I don't think number of posts on tidefans is a direct indication of football knowledge.
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Maybe not. It is however, a direct indication of the capacity to avoid confrontation long enough to get a big post count.

If we get those two touchdowns inside the 20, the score is 27-3 (Vandy scored on an 87-yard drive after fumble #2), and this one is the rout most expected it to be. Turnovers, by definition, are execution failures. Bama committed three turnovers, and two of those led directly to all of Vandy's 10 points.

If someone wants to say playcalling is the problem, then I will agree insofar as the most successful plays called are the "NO TUROVER" ones.
 
Offense has played very well this year with the exception of the red zone. The plays that have been called would have been successful if the execution had been there. Dropped pass, and two passes that were just out of bounds in the Hawaii game. That is big. If they had connected then there wouldn't be this talk. IT is a very young offense with a new QB. Timing was the iisue and it is expected to any knowledgeable fan. In the Vandy game, we had two fumbles in the redzone. Vandy turned those into points. It was a 24 point turnaround. Both plays were ran well and would have been successful if not for the fumbles.

The offense should alot of new stuff this year. we have shown many more formations. Hawaii commented on the fact that they faced alot of formations that confused them and ones that they had not seen from films of last year. I see people on here ***** that we don't run wide or run the toss sweep. Well we ran outside and toss sweeps plenty last night. We lined up in the shotgun formation. We lined up with JPW under center. We went spread and then we went tight. ran many things out of many diferent formations. We threw the ball deep, short, outside and inside. For those who say things haven't changed or call it a vanilla offense they are not knowledgeable about football but only repeating what they have heard and they think it sounds good.
 
Something to chew on...

if you'll take the time and think about it. One of the complaints early on last year (same debate) was the number of 3 and outs.

How many 3 and outs have you seen this year?

Just chew on it a bit...
 
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TerryP said:
if you'll take the time and think about it. One of the complaints early on last year (same debate) was the number of 3 and outs.

How many 3 and outs have you seen this year?

Just chew on it a bit...
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Not to get too picky, but we have played HI and Vandy. How many 3 and outs would we have had against them last year?

Can't really get into something like this until we see if we can move the ball against SEC defenses (IMO)...
 
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NYBamaFan said:
Not to get too picky, but we have played HI and Vandy. How many 3 and outs would we have had against them last year?

Can't really get into something like this until we see if we can move the ball against SEC defenses (IMO)...
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You missed the point, but I didn't say it as well as I could have.

Last year, after the Middle Tn. and Southern Miss openers, the outcry of the discontent was just about identical to this year. One of those "play calling" complaints was passing on first down, running on second and long...believe you me, I remember it all to well.

We can't draw anything from these two games except for some very cursory observations. But, in 13 days we'll be able to address things this season with a lot of empirical data...
 
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TerryP said:
Last year, after the Middle Tn. and Southern Miss openers, the outcry of the discontent was just about identical to this year. One of those "play calling" complaints was passing on first down, running on second and long...believe you me, I remember it all to well.

We can't draw anything from these two games except for some very cursory observations. But, in 13 days we'll be able to address things this season with a lot of empirical data...
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I remember the same things. In fact, I was one of the ones critical of play calling last year. I think that we have seen improvement in that arena this year - but execution has been lacking.

Then again, I am not really qualified to make any comments on play calling, so I have made it a point to avoid the topic this season...
 
i think it is about time to lay off coach shula, he called a fine game saturday, except the fake punt, having johns in there at the 3 yard line, when we have been running the jumbo pkg with castille and mcclain. johns is still learning the rb position, he should never leap over the line from 3 yards out. only bad things happen, and it did. other than that, the game was called well. john parker wilson is getting better each outing. he has great poise for his youth, and he leads this team. my concern is why is the offensive line doing so well this year pass blocking, which they did not do last year, but, cannot run block. have you noticed all the big run plays have been outside the tackles. 90 percent of johns runs are off the andre smith side wide. darby tries to run up the gut, but, he is met by the other teams whole front four before he even gets there. his best run was out side the right tackle and we saw glimpses of the old darby. i see capps getting manhandled still, and britt back on his backside. this is the big offensive breakdown. we do not want the passing game being our primary offensive weapon. the coach is mixing up his plays as well as he can, with the lack of blocking. the defense is real young, and they will improve. i like another said wonder, why he is not playing a little more 4 man front. our most talent is in the def line. especially against a qb like nixson, who is a better scrambler than passer. besides he did not get sacked this game. secondary coverage will improve with the youngsters, and it needs to or else we will lose a lot of games against better talent.
 
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TerryP said:
You missed the point, but I didn't say it as well as I could have.

Last year, after the Middle Tn. and Southern Miss openers, the outcry of the discontent was just about identical to this year. One of those "play calling" complaints was passing on first down, running on second and long...believe you me, I remember it all to well.

We can't draw anything from these two games except for some very cursory observations. But, in 13 days we'll be able to address things this season with a lot of empirical data...
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In 1999 we were losing to VU 17 to 14 going into the fourth quarter. We won the game 28-17 scoring two late touchdowns. This team went on to win the SEC championship.

It is still very early and this team still has potential to be very good. However, 3 or 4 losses are also still a real possibility.
 
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