Execution vs. Playcalling

Who failed to "execute"? What unit/players let us down today...

Obviously the RBs in the redzone. Turnovers in the redzone are killer. Today redzone turnovers cost the team between 6-14 points. I don't care much about could-of, would-of, should-of about the score because the fact remains that we didn't get into the red zone enough and when we did we squandered them (1 TD in 4 trips). Right now I don't know if we could beat Arkansas or Ole Miss the way we're playing. MSU might even be tough as we probably wouldn't score on their defense. After two weeks, I definitely am reevaluating my predictions about this team. I thought we'd be a 8/9 win team in the regular season, right now its looking more like 6/7 win team. They could still be a 8/9 win team if the team grows a lot, but if we get the same type of performance from our offense and defense we will not beat anyone in the upper-echelon of the SEC and will get tested by the middle-ranks of the conference.

Honestly, I'm still on a "wait-and-see" basis with this edition of the Tide. It is hard to make much out of this team right now. Getting to 3-0 is the top priority. The first three games are all "penciled-in" victories. The first real test is Arkansas. We'll know a lot more about this team in two weeks, but if we perform at the same level as the first two games...that test is not looking good.
 
I don't think playcalling is the root cause of our problems on offense. does that mean shula doesn't EVER make any boneheaded calls?--no, he has made some.

I'm thinking about that fake field goal early in the first quarter...

When you have a chance to put points on the board, go for it! I HATE HATE HATE faking field goals/punts. More often than not, you end up faking yourself more than the other team.

I think Saturdays problems were more along the lines of execution than playcalling. If I were Shula, every person on the team woulda been doing fumble drills at 5am Sunday morning. That goes for the defense also.

Kinda off topic, but I'm liking what i'm seein from J.P. Wilson for the most part. I think he's going to turn out just fine.
 
Everyone keeps attributing the three turnovers we had to being the reason for the small margin of victory. What about the four that Vandy had? If they don't turn the ball over and we don't turn the ball over, then what does the score look like? I think there's more problems with our performance than just turnovers.
 
Everyone keeps attributing the three turnovers we had to being the reason for the small margin of victory. What about the four that Vandy had? If they don't turn the ball over and we don't turn the ball over, then what does the score look like? I think there's more problems with our performance than just turnovers.
Turnovers did alter the score - we were driving and in scoring position when we fumbled (twice) - they were not.
 
Everyone keeps attributing the three turnovers we had to being the reason for the small margin of victory. What about the four that Vandy had? If they don't turn the ball over and we don't turn the ball over, then what does the score look like? I think there's more problems with our performance than just turnovers.

Good thought, let's try to assume zero turnovers. Since one of Vandy's was the hail mary, I will just mark that one down as incomplete and not count it. If you want to say completion, fine, the two guys behind him would have made the tackle and game over. The fumble on the kickoff return balances out to the fumble that we gave them back on the 1 yard line, zero to zero.

That leaves the interception by JPW that resulted in 3 for Vandy. If we dont have that turnover, they dont score 3.

The fumble by Castille. Took a sure three off the board and gave the other team 7 before half.

So, if you remove all of the turnovers, we win 10-0. Still a win!
 
I agree that execution was a major problem. I won't pile on with more of what has already been mentioned. One problem I see that has yet to be addressed is that after taking the ball from Center JPW does a 5 step drop before he sets up. If he passes 15 yards after his drop, the receiver catches the ball on or behind the line of scrimmage, and that doesn't do a lot of good. If he tried a 3 step drop that would give him maybe another second or two to find his receivers. That would also give the defense less time to get to him. Other than that I think he's coming along nicely. It's also good to see a QB who's not afraid of running with it himself. JPW's growing experience will help him to come into his own as a great QB.
 
Actually, without the turnovers Vandy would have been 0. All of their points came off the turnovers.
It's a little misleading (although technically correct) to say that an 87-yard drive following a turnover is points coming off a turnover. If we had scored the TD and kicked off to them, their drive would likely have started with better field position. I fail to see how our turnover led to their points.

That said, I do agree that the outcome of the game would have been vastly different had we held onto the ball.
 
spot on! Play calling is not the problem. As a coach I have no problem with this system. It is the proper one. EXECUTION is the key

Maybe not. It is however, a direct indication of the capacity to avoid confrontation long enough to get a big post count.

If we get those two touchdowns inside the 20, the score is 27-3 (Vandy scored on an 87-yard drive after fumble #2), and this one is the rout most expected it to be. Turnovers, by definition, are execution failures. Bama committed three turnovers, and two of those led directly to all of Vandy's 10 points.

If someone wants to say playcalling is the problem, then I will agree insofar as the most successful plays called are the "NO TUROVER" ones.
 
Not to get too picky, but we have played HI and Vandy. How many 3 and outs would we have had against them last year?

Can't really get into something like this until we see if we can move the ball against SEC defenses (IMO)...
In the best Lee Corso imitation... not so fast my friend. We actually did it a lot of it last year against teams like MS State and Southern Miss... enough to get me upset about the play-calling myself. Like Terry said, too early to tell for sure... but I like the improvement that I'm seeing in this area... especially from what I saw yesterday.
 
It's a little misleading (although technically correct) to say that an 87-yard drive following a turnover is points coming off a turnover. If we had scored the TD and kicked off to them, their drive would likely have started with better field position. I fail to see how our turnover led to their points.

That said, I do agree that the outcome of the game would have been vastly different had we held onto the ball.


But, it is "spot on" to say those points came from lack of execution because the majority of those yards, specifically in this case the TD and the long pass over the middle, were a result of our players being out of position.
 
But, it is "spot on" to say those points came from lack of execution because the majority of those yards, specifically in this case the TD and the long pass over the middle, were a result of our players being out of position.
You also have to factor in momentum. Teams get a big lift from turnovers - especially when they are forced in the red zone...
 
Is it really that difficult to see what the problem is? If this was the first or second year of this offense I could understand. But this is the fourth year, and Alabama is still on pace to average fewer than 25 points a game. Same as the previous three seasons. Is it that difficult to look at the numbers, the production of this offense going on year 4 to realize that it's a poorly designed offensive scheme with average, predictable playcalling? It's not the number of passes you throw, or the number of times you run the ball, or the time of possession during the course of a game that makes an offense successful.

This offense, from play to play, requires perfect execution. PERFECT. If any one thing goes wrong, if one block is missed, if a reciever doesn't run a great route, if JPW doesn't put the ball right on the money...the play is not going to work. Is it that difficult to see? Recievers are never wide open, there is no easy pitch and catch, the running game is ALWAYS...ALWAYS run out of tight formations with 7 or 8 guys in the box. What if JPW didn't make a perfect throw down the sideline to DJ Hall yesterday? What if Brodie didn't put the ball RIGHT on the money to Prothro the first play against UF? Sure, incompletion and try again. But the point is that very, very few of Alabama's passes are high percentage throws. No bootlegs, no roll outs, no audibles, VERY few screen passes, little to no motion (moving the tight end from one side of the line to the other does not count). The opposing defense is never off balance because with this offense, what you see is what you get. If Bama lines up in an I-Formation with 2 WRs you are either going to get a counter play to the right, a full back up the middle, or a play action pass with WR's running routes of 10-15 yards. And very few of the running plays are very easy. It absolutely MUST be the easiest offense to prepare for if fans can predict plays based on formation.

What is most baffling is that we have had 3 years of poor offensive play yet many continue to rally behind it, saying...no no...it's all about execution...the offensive staff is doing a solid job calling plays...just look at the yardage...look at the fine mix of run and pass! If we would've hadn't had these two plays go wrong we would have scored 27 points...well sure...if we would've been able to convert on 1st and 2 in the fourth quarter against Tennessee in 03 we would've won, if we didn't fumble away the game against Tennessee in 04 we would've won, if we didn't have the pass interference in the endzone against LSU in 04 we might have won, if Pennington would've been able to complete a pass or two against Minnesota we could've won, if we had more running plays than the counter out of the I against Arkansas in 03 maybe we could've run out the clock instead of losing, if we didn't fumble twice against Vandy maybe we could've put up 23-27 on em, if we didn't have such utterly predictable playcalling maybe we might score more than 23 points a game??

I would love to see our average yards gained on the counter play off right tackle over the last three years. It seems that CMS looks at that play, I guess, as Alabama's bread and butter running play...despite the fact that it nets 2-3 yards more often than it gains 7-10 yards.

If you want to see great examples of offensive playcalling/execution/keeping the defense off balance watch Auburn, Louisville, West Virginia, California, Georgia, UCLA, Arizona State, Rutgers.

25.5 points per game, 24.6 points per game, 21.9 points per game...for an average of 24 points a game through three seasons. Year four? Well, we're on pace to keep up with the four year trend of declining points...with a whopping 19 points per game. If the purpose of an offense is to score points, what is the point of supporting what has proven to be a predictable, poorly designed farce of an SEC offense? Will it take 5 years of finishing in the bottom half of the SEC offensively to convince people? For the Tampa Bay Buccaneers all it took was a 12-6 loss in the NFC Championship game against the St. Louis Rams and finishing no higher than 22nd in total offense from 1996 to 1999.

In Mike Shula's last year at Tampa Bay they finished 27th in points scored...the next season Tampa Bay finished 7th in points scored.

I absolutely love Mike Shula. I want him to remain the coach at Alabama for many years to come. But the evidence is there.

SEC scoring

2005: 9 of 12
2004: 8 of 12
2003: 9 of 12

NFL scoring

1999: 27 of 31
1998: 18 of 30 (!)
1997: 24 of 30
1996: 30 of 30

Somebody convince me that we will finish higher than 8th in the SEC in scoring this year after our first two games...please.
 
The problem with your analysis is that it lacks a few critical details.

1) Injuries seriously impacted our scoring in all three seasons as we lost key offensive performers.

2) Scholarship reductions created a depth problem that didn't allow us to compensate for those injuries, so play calling had to be altered.

3) Shula still doesn't have a full complement of SEC caliber players up to speed, so we shouldn't expect miracles this season.

In other words, your judgements are premature (to me, anyway).

Let's give Shula's offense a few more years, with a full compliment of SEC athletes, and then see where we are.

JMHO..
 
The problem with your analysis is that it lacks a few critical details.

1) Injuries seriously impacted our scoring in all three seasons as we lost key offensive performers.

2) Scholarship reductions created a depth problem that didn't allow us to compensate for those injuries, so play calling had to be altered.

3) Shula still doesn't have a full complement of SEC caliber players up to speed, so we shouldn't expect miracles this season.

In other words, your judgements are premature (to me, anyway).

Let's give Shula's offense a few more years, with a full compliment of SEC athletes, and then see where we are.

JMHO..

You're absolutely right. Great post!
 
Also...what about Tampa Bay's sudden jump in points during the 2000 season? 27th to 7th in a span of one year? Was the acquisition of Keyshawn Johnson really THAT important? Or was it something else?

I think what I'm trying to say is that CMS is a great guy, and a good coach, but he has not had a successful offense in 7 years as an offensive coordinator. Isn't there something to be said for results?
 
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