Freddie Roach as New D-Line Coach (SIAP)

[Bamabuzzard]

Coach Saban (and his fomer players) refers to these type players as "dogs". Or some of us grew up hearing "It's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters. But the size of the fight in the dog that matters most." That's what we need on the DL.

What we need is high motor, fierce defensive linemen. This unit probably holds the title along with 2013 as one of the least impactful DL units we've had under Saban. 2019 Alabama DL would've loved to have a Wallace Gilberry from the 2007 team or Ed Stinson from the 2013 team.

 

[CoolBreeze]

What we need is high motor, fierce defensive linemen. This unit probably holds the title along with 2013 as one of the least impactful DL units we've had under Saban. 2019 Alabama DL would've loved to have a Wallace Gilberry from the 2007 team or Ed Stinson from the 2013 team.

We were hampered by injuries as well. But yes, loved me some Wallace Gilberry.

 

[CoachJeff]

We were hampered by injuries as well. But yes, loved me some Wallace Gilberry.

I'd settle for a couple of Nick Gentrys to be honest.

 

[Tug Tide]

This is what I noticed more than anything else. Davis was incapable of using his hands in a violent way to keep o-linemen off of him. Barmore was great at it. Barmore reminds me a lot of Q - violent hands and explosive at the LOS.

I wonder if they could get Eryk Anders to show the boys up front a few useful things he’s learned in his MMA career.

For WWE fans on the board:

Deadspin | Here's The Insane Suplex An Alabama Defensive Lineman Laid On A Missouri Running Back

Deadspin | Here's The Insane Suplex An Alabama Defensive Lineman Laid On A Missouri Running Back

deadspin.com

 

[Brobrettjohnson]

Jarrett Johnson was a beast several years back. Played DT at Bama. Turned into a LB for the chargers. Probably my favorite early 00’s players

 

[Padreruf]

I'd settle for a couple of Nick Gentrys to be honest.

Or Sammy Gellerstedts -- anyone remember him from the 1968. Unblockable...but also had a hard time playing well with others. Would up his collegiate career at Tampa IIRC.

 

[Padreruf]

Just saw that Sammy Gellerstedt was mentioned in the Kyle Mann thread...someone else is old as well....

 

[JustNeedMe81]

There is a picture of Freddie in Alabama shirt recuiting today.

 

[Tiderollin32]

Here are some clips of Freddie coaching his D-Lineman at Ole Miss

 

[jthomas666]

All I can say is that I loved him as a player. He was one of the bright spots on defense during the dark times.

One year he would have had double digit INT's at LB if not for a cast he wore that might as well been a cinder block...Lol

I'm not even kidding.... at least 10-12 balls hit him right in the hands.

Heh. I remember that. The rest of the team was always ribbing him about it.

Great player; his motor never stopped during the game.

 

[78Alum]

There is a picture of Freddie in Alabama shirt recuiting today.

Bama Online is reporting that Freddie has indeed moved from Ole Miss to Bama. This article includes a picture of Freddie recruiting for the Tide.

Former Alabama player Freddie Roach returns to coach Tide D-line

A familiar name has returned to Alabama.

247sports.com

 

[JustNeedMe81]

You can hire the right coach that can teach the right things in the practice and in the meeting, but at the end of the day, it is on the players to execute what was taught in practice and on the field. You can't teach a kid how to be a dog, it has to be something that can't be taught. kids today is not the same kids that we're used to 5, 10 years old. We as a fan have to keep that in mind.... that things have changed so much in the last 5, 7 years... You need kids that are willing to be coached hard.. can take criticism, and not jump into transfer portals whenever things goes wrong for them. Saban knows what needs to be fixed... and I'm gonna just let him handle that part... Just know that Alabama is not the only school that has issues.... It is nationwide issue.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Yep and you can see it being instilled at the youth sports level. I coached a youth baseball team three years ago with one of my good friends. He was the HC and I just helped out at practice and some during games. He's from the old school of coaching. We had a kid on the mound who was pouting like a baby and giving about half effort. He walks to the mound and chewed his butt out. But he did it to where only the player and he knew what was going on. After the game his mama calls the HC and said that she asked "Little Johnny" what the coach said to him when he came out to the mound. He told his mama "Coach chewed m butt out and said if I didn't start giving more effort and kept on with the pouting. He was going to put me in the bleachers to watch the game." The mama told the coach he needed to be more conscious of these kids' feelings when correcting them. Which in turn my buddy told her "Feelings don't win baseball games."

To this day I have the quote on the back of my coaching shirts. "Feelings don't win baseball games". I get asked from time to time what that means. I gladly retell the story of where it originated and get a ton of head shakes and laughs.

You can hire the right coach that can teach the right things in the practice and in the meeting, but at the end of the day, it is on the players to execute what was taught in practice and on the field. You can't teach a kid how to be a dog, it has to be something that can't be taught. kids today is not the same kids that we're used to 5, 10 years old. We as a fan have to keep that in mind.... that things have changed so much in the last 5, 7 years... You need kids that are willing to be coached hard.. can take criticism, and not jump into transfer portals whenever things goes wrong for them. Saban knows what needs to be fixed... and I'm gonna just let him handle that part... Just know that Alabama is not the only school that has issues.... It is nationwide issue.

 

[Tug Tide]

You can hire the right coach that can teach the right things in the practice and in the meeting, but at the end of the day, it is on the players to execute what was taught in practice and on the field. You can't teach a kid how to be a dog, it has to be something that can't be taught. kids today is not the same kids that we're used to 5, 10 years old. We as a fan have to keep that in mind.... that things have changed so much in the last 5, 7 years... You need kids that are willing to be coached hard.. can take criticism, and not jump into transfer portals whenever things goes wrong for them. Saban knows what needs to be fixed... and I'm gonna just let him handle that part... Just know that Alabama is not the only school that has issues.... It is nationwide issue.

I agree with this right up to the point about kids being different.
My opinion only, but that’s dead wrong. Kids are the same as they always have been. They’re a product of their environment. What has changed is the parents and how they raise kids today.
Again, I don’t disagree as a whole, just in how we got to this point.

Edited to add: @Bamabuzzard that is a great example of what I mean

RTR!

 

[DogPatch]

Freddie Roach Aiming for Interchangeable Defensive Line

Freddie Roach has a simple goal. He wants an interchangeable Ole Miss defensive line — for the ones to be the same as the twos and the twos to be the same as the threes.

247sports.com

He's a good coach and this is his vision: " Basically, his vision is for a defensive line that can attack from all angles. One that has the personnel to adapt to whatever a given opponent throws at Ole Miss — spread, a run-dominant pro style, etc"

but here's what my concern is: "Ole Miss finished 124th in the nation against the run last season. The Rebels allowed 245.33 yards per game, an average that ranked next to last in the 14-team SEC."

I don't know if it's the personnel at Ole Miss.. but we'll see if he works out with Alabama this fall.

How good was the DC at calling plays?

 

[JustNeedMe81]

How good was the DC at calling plays?

Ouch.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Yep and you can see it being instilled at the youth sports level. I coached a youth baseball team three years ago with one of my good friends. He was the HC and I just helped out at practice and some during games. He's from the old school of coaching. We had a kid on the mound who was pouting like a baby and giving about half effort. He walks to the mound and chewed his butt out. But he did it to where only the player and he knew what was going on. After the game his mama calls the HC and said that she asked "Little Johnny" what the coach said to him when he came out to the mound. He told his mama "Coach chewed m butt out and said if I didn't start giving more effort and kept on with the pouting. He was going to put me in the bleachers to watch the game." The mama told the coach he needed to be more conscious of these kids' feelings when correcting them. Which in turn my buddy told her "Feelings don't win baseball games."

To this day I have the quote on the back of my coaching shirts. "Feelings don't win baseball games". I get asked from time to time what that means. I gladly retell the story of where it originated and get a ton of head shakes and laughs.

I had similar experience. I asked the parents to be at the game 45 minutes earlier so I can get the kids stretched out and get warmed up, had two kids who showed up 5 minutes before the game started. I had already set the lineup (I usually do it 20 minutes before the game.) I turned looked at the kids and parent and I said "How nice of you to show up to support the team... enjoy the game from the bleacher." The parents were livid and cussed me out, and I explained to them that I'm running a baseball team... we are 7-0 because those kids on the field follows my instructions and does what I ask them to do. You and your kids can't even show up on time and I don't need that on my team. Both parents pulled the kids off the team only to come back two weeks later and apologized to me and begged me to let them back on the team. I agreed as long they accepted that their kids will sit on bench and they have to earn playing time, basically starting over.

 

[B1GTide]

I had similar experience. I asked the parents to be at the game 45 minutes earlier so I can get the kids stretched out and get warmed up, had two kids who showed up 5 minutes before the game started. I had already set the lineup (I usually do it 20 minutes before the game.) I turned looked at the kids and parent and I said "How nice of you to show up to support the team... enjoy the game from the bleacher." The parents were livid and cussed me out, and I explained to them that I'm running a baseball team... we are 7-0 because those kids on the field follows my instructions and does what I ask them to do. You and your kids can't even show up on time and I don't need that on my team. Both parents pulled the kids off the team only to come back two weeks later and apologized to me and begged me to let them back on the team. I agreed as long they accepted that their kids will sit on bench and they have to earn playing time, basically starting over.

A bit harsh on the kids, IMO. We don't get to choose our parents.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

A bit harsh on the kids, IMO. We don't get to choose our parents.

It was, but It was mostly because I was annoyed with the parents. Remember I was in first year of coaching and I had no patience with the parents of the kids. With Kids, I had lot of patience and I was willing to work with them and help them build confidence to be the best person on the field.

 

[bigjue24]

A bit harsh on the kids, IMO. We don't get to choose our parents.

Better to learn tough lessons when you are a kid and have a safety net. When you are treated like a special little fragile flower as a kid you can think that's how the world is supposed to treat you. That first real job can be a shock to the system.