Have EVs Reached A Short-Term Peak?

[mdb-tpet]

I think the biggest problem that dampens the desire for an EV is when you want to move away from the worst polluting method of traveling, which is a ICE car, and you start really looking at EVs, you will soon realize an EV is only slightly better than a ICE car/truck. The real problem is still the car's costs, depreciation, insurance, tire pollution, plastics, taxes, upkeep, road design, crashes, injuries, deaths, stress, and traffic. The EV doesn't actually solve any of the long term issues with our car culture. Maybe self-driving EV cars will help make car travel a bit safer, but not any time soon.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Five facts about electric vehicles in 2024

Here are a few takeaways on electric vehicles in 2024: As of November, the global EV market grew by 25% year-over-year.

apnews.com

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Very interesting that sales declined in Germany, where electricity is the most expensive in Europe...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I would have placed this on NP, but it does have some language. I didn't know if it were aural or not, since I was just reading subtitles. It's pretty devastating about the Tesla cybertruck. It looks like it was rushed to market just so they could say they had a truck in their product lineup...

Tesla cybertruck test against 150

 

[Bazza]

 

[crimsonaudio]

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Do androids dream of them?

 

[Bazza]

The future!

 

[2003TIDE]

I’m kind of waiting to see if the Scout actually makes it in 2027. Those look cool, and I’m trying to make it to 27 or 28 before next purchase. Also the bare bones Slate is interesting. I remember bare bones Ford Rangers growing up. Learned to drive one with a stick. I’d love to have something like that in that size today as a 3rd car, but it doesn’t exist. I think the cheap under 170mile range pickup might fit a niche that doesn’t exist.

 

[Bazza]

Seeing more and more E-bikes around here. I really like them, myself! We still have plenty of pedal bikes too.

 

[Bazza]

After living car-free in Dallas for 3 years, I finally gave e-biking a shot — and it completely changed how I get around the city. In this video, I share my personal experience riding a Riese & Müller e-bike (thanks to Electric Avenue Bike Shop in Victory Park) for two weeks, how it transformed my commute and daily errands, and the surprising benefits I didn’t expect — including how I was able to buy my own e-bike using my Health Savings Account (HSA). In this video, you’ll learn:

• Why I was hesitant to get an e-bike — and what changed
• The mental and physical health boosts from biking to work
• How I managed errands like grocery runs and dog food pickups
• Tips for commuting in Dallas without a car
• How to use your HSA to buy an e-bike (and waive sales tax in Texas)

0:00 Introduction 1:03 Thoughts Before Trying E-bike 2:06 Thoughts After Two Weeks 4:26 Buying an E-bike Using HSA 5:28  Riese & Müller Homage GT Vario HS 8:25 Conclusion

 

[some_al_fan]

After living car-free in Dallas for 3 years, I finally gave e-biking a shot — and it completely changed how I get around the city. In this video, I share my personal experience riding a Riese & Müller e-bike (thanks to Electric Avenue Bike Shop in Victory Park) for two weeks, how it transformed my commute and daily errands, and the surprising benefits I didn’t expect — including how I was able to buy my own e-bike using my Health Savings Account (HSA). In this video, you’ll learn:

• Why I was hesitant to get an e-bike — and what changed
• The mental and physical health boosts from biking to work
• How I managed errands like grocery runs and dog food pickups
• Tips for commuting in Dallas without a car
• How to use your HSA to buy an e-bike (and waive sales tax in Texas)

0:00 Introduction 1:03 Thoughts Before Trying E-bike 2:06 Thoughts After Two Weeks 4:26 Buying an E-bike Using HSA 5:28  Riese & Müller Homage GT Vario HS 8:25 Conclusion

Where are you riding it? How comfortable are you with riding in traffic with cars around you?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

After living car-free in Dallas for 3 years, I finally gave e-biking a shot — and it completely changed how I get around the city. In this video, I share my personal experience riding a Riese & Müller e-bike (thanks to Electric Avenue Bike Shop in Victory Park) for two weeks, how it transformed my commute and daily errands, and the surprising benefits I didn’t expect — including how I was able to buy my own e-bike using my Health Savings Account (HSA). In this video, you’ll learn:

• Why I was hesitant to get an e-bike — and what changed
• The mental and physical health boosts from biking to work
• How I managed errands like grocery runs and dog food pickups
• Tips for commuting in Dallas without a car
• How to use your HSA to buy an e-bike (and waive sales tax in Texas)

0:00 Introduction 1:03 Thoughts Before Trying E-bike 2:06 Thoughts After Two Weeks 4:26 Buying an E-bike Using HSA 5:28  Riese & Müller Homage GT Vario HS 8:25 Conclusion

Bazza, are you the chick in the video? I thought you were a dude? Or did you have "a surgery"?

 

[Bazza]

Where are you riding it? How comfortable are you with riding in traffic with cars around you?

It's going to be different for everyone depending on where you live and what you use your bike for.

Mine is not my daily driver and the area I live in is not a big city, although there is a concern for traffic, just on the same basis that is commonplace in all cities with traffic.

I use mine for rides on the beach on windy days when I want to go distance but not endure a torture peddling against the wind. I guess if I took a route with hills it might be the same thing.

I also use my bikes for utilitarian purposes in town. The bikes I have been using are the two I own capable of 30mph speed so this provides an advantage of not having to "mesh" with traffic. The road to and from my house is 1 mile at 25mph and no passing until I get to the main way on and off the island, so that alone provides an advantage. There's no bike path along this road - just a sidewalk - and riding on the roadway is much safer - and faster.

Like I said - it will be different for everybody.

 

[Its On A Slab]

The problem I have with e-bikes is : What is their place? Are they too slow for regular traffic?

I see them on the bike trails around here. I almost got run over more than once, the bike zipping by at 25-30MPH. I am pretty sure there will eventually be more and more bicycle/runner/walker vs e-bike collisions. Most of them are ridden by kids, so go figure on that.

 

[92tide]

The problem I have with e-bikes is : What is their place? Are they too slow for regular traffic?

I see them on the bike trails around here. I almost got run over more than once, the bike zipping by at 25-30MPH. I am pretty sure there will eventually be more and more bicycle/runner/walker vs e-bike collisions. Most of them are ridden by kids, so go figure on that.

i see a whole lot of folks who really don’t know how to ride a bike hopping on those and creating dangerous situations. they are a lot heavier and faster that analog bikes and that affects handling, stopping, etc.

 

[Its On A Slab]

i see a whole lot of folks who really don’t know how to ride a bike hopping on those and creating dangerous situations. they are a lot heavier and faster that analog bikes and that affects handling, stopping, etc.

There is a young kid who uses one of those electric unicycles. Short things but they go about 30 MPH. He is always sneaking up on me on the trail. I just see bad outcomes from all these motorized 1 and 2-wheel vehicles.

 

[some_al_fan]

It's going to be different for everyone depending on where you live and what you use your bike for.

Mine is not my daily driver and the area I live in is not a big city, although there is a concern for traffic, just on the same basis that is commonplace in all cities with traffic.

I use mine for rides on the beach on windy days when I want to go distance but not endure a torture peddling against the wind. I guess if I took a route with hills it might be the same thing.

I also use my bikes for utilitarian purposes in town. The bikes I have been using are the two I own capable of 30mph speed so this provides an advantage of not having to "mesh" with traffic. The road to and from my house is 1 mile at 25mph and no passing until I get to the main way on and off the island, so that alone provides an advantage. There's no bike path along this road - just a sidewalk - and riding on the roadway is much safer - and faster.

Like I said - it will be different for everybody.

Is it Hilton Head Island?
I live in North Alabama. While cyclists are allowed to share the road and should be on the roadway, it is not safe at all to ride on the road. I typically ride (regular bike, no motor) 100-150 miles per week. Primarily doing loops on a greenway.
The only time I feel safe on the road is when I am riding country roads on the weekends before 10 am. Any other time, it feels like some crazy people want to kill me. It is not paranoia, since I’ve had too many near misses from the passing cars.
That's why I’ve stopped riding a road bike. I now ride either a gravel bike or a hybrid. The difference is that whenever I see a car behind me in a rear-view mirror , I jump into a ditch/grass.

 

[92tide]

Is it Hilton Head Island?
I live in North Alabama. While cyclists are allowed to share the road and should be on the roadway, it is not safe at all to ride on the road. I typically ride (regular bike, no motor) 100-150 miles per week. Primarily doing loops on a greenway.
The only time I feel safe on the road is when I am riding country roads on the weekends before 10 am. Any other time, it feels like some crazy people want to kill me. It is not paranoia, since I’ve had too many near misses from the passing cars.
That's why I’ve stopped riding a road bike. I now ride either a gravel bike or a hybrid. The difference is that whenever I see a car behind me in a rear-view mirror , I jump into a ditch/grass.

a large majority of my miles these days are commuting to/from work. i have been able to use a lot of bike infrastructure and my only roads are winding thru very slow speed neighborhoods. i can’t stand riding with traffic

 

[Bamabuzzard]

There is a young kid who uses one of those electric unicycles. Short things but they go about 30 MPH. He is always sneaking up on me on the trail. I just see bad outcomes from all these motorized 1 and 2-wheel vehicles.

We had this problem on the trails this past summer when on vacation. People with these e-scooters come barreling up behind us on a trail that's barely made for two people to stand side by side. It's an accident waiting to happen.