I still think we got the right guy (Coach DeBoer)

[GrayTide]

I had some negative things to say after the game ended Saturday. Maybe some were knee jerk reactions, but some were well founded. My Eeyore comments were directed at the defense and the obvious lack of preparation and adjustments by the defensive staff. I agree with Buzz, I still think we made the right hire with CKD, but a transition year can go either way. One final comment, the NCAA implemented scholarship reductions three times since the late 1970's to level the playing field. None of those reductions achieved the desired result. The NIL and transfer portal accomplished that over the past several years and will continue to do so unless some restrictions are imposed.

 

[cdub55]

I don’t think anyone here seriously thinks CKD isn’t the right man for the job. If they do, then IMO they’re judging way too quickly.

Only the Aubarn like fanbase that we have are calling for any coaches head at this point. Saturday was an epic failure but that doesn't mean you go scorched Earth policy with the staff. That is how you kill a program. Good coaches deserve time to prove their worth and paycheck. If he was a bumbling fool that would be different but CKD and his entire staff are competent and good men.

 

[cdub55]

Our defense hasn't been right since Pruitt left. Golding got away with a horrible job because we had the best offenses in school history and a head coach that was tired of turnover and unwilling to can him.

The attitude of the players....that I am concerned about. I'm all for the program loosening up a bit, but I think the freedom is going to some of their heads.

Don't be shocked if something similar to what the Tennessee Titans did about ten years ago doesn't take place. I was invited to be on the field for their first practice in pads. As I was standing on the sideline I noticed one guy who was cussing out players, coaches, and anyone who he felt like. I noticed he looked familiar and then I pulled out my phone and realized it was Gregg Williams. This was right after the Saints bounty scandal. Williams was on paper the "Senior Assistant Defensive Coach" but it didn't take a very smart person to see that he was the Defensive Coordinator. Again, don't be surprised if JP isn't brought on next year as the Safeties coach or something similar. If that happens, just know he is playing a much bigger role than just coaching a position.

 

[Cruloc]

Curious to see what adjustments we make.

Are the defensive calls going to get in quicker. What improvements will Wommack make on his side.

DeBoer and the offensive staff have done a masterful job with Milroe and the offense.....Wommack's under the spotlight.

 

[gtgilbert]

I have no real questions about CKD. I have serious concerns with Coach Wommack. Here's why:

1. Vandy lost to Georgia State. That's right, Ga St. How hard is it to watch they're tape and see what they did successfully.
2. I have not seen any real adjustments from the defense in the last 6 quarters. Can't keep talking about the transition and see Zero success from adjustments.
3. If my 22 are better than your 22, then the only reason I lose is because of coaching. We can debate this but it is really simple. The WAY Georgia and Vandy ran right through us makes me wonder what it takes to make an adjustment.

Let me say I am a fan and don't coach big time football. what our coaches have forgot about football is way more than I know. Just my opinion. Been rooting for the Tide since October 1968

this is a great point, because guess what, GA State runs a 4-2-5 nickel alignment also. Just do whatever the heck they did!

 

[cdub55]

I just hope CKD doesn't pull a Shula and stay too loyal to his assistants.

I remember a coach years ago, forgive me for not remembering his name, but he had an assistant with the last name Golding that couldn't coach a peanut to grow in peak Wiregrass weather. I'm pretty sure he kept him around a little longer than many would have liked.

 

[Cruloc]

this is a great point, because guess what, GA State runs a 4-2-5 nickel alignment also. Just do whatever the heck they did!

Did we even properly prepare for Vandy.....or......did we go in there with such hubris we thought they'd roll over? OR BOTH.

Did the players need a massive humbling moment after Georgia.

Did the loss wake up the players and coaches....making them buckle down and really get to work.

 

[cdub55]

No crap, my god do we have an award we can give him?

The 2024 recipient of the Lebron James Crying Award goes to...

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Did we even properly prepare for Vandy.....or......did we go in there with such hubris we thought they'd roll over? OR BOTH.

Did the players need a massive humbling moment after Georgia.

Did the loss wake up the players and coaches....making them buckle down and really get to work.

Honestly, imo, I think the staff may have fallen victim to not taking them seriously and under prepared.

 

[bamaslammer]

I still think DeBoer is the right man for the job but the jury is still out on Womack. At this point if he were a murder suspect he would have been found standing over the deceased with the bloody candlestick in his hand and him sweating. So he's got some work to do.

 

[cdub55]

I still think DeBoer is the right man for the job but the jury is still out on Womack. At this point if he were a murder suspect he would have been found standing over the deceased with the bloody candlestick in his hand and him sweating. So he's got some work to do.

The ole murder by candlestick. Tale as old as time...

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I don’t think anyone here seriously thinks CKD isn’t the right man for the job. If they do, then IMO they’re judging way too quickly.

If it is "judging too quickly" to say he may not be the right man, then isn't it also "judging too quickly" to say that he is the right man?

From the day he was hired I have been in a what and see holding pattern. I didn't immediately proclaim he was the next great Bama coach like many fans did. I wanted to see how this first season played out. I still haven't decided but, the Vandy loss hurt him more than the UGA win helped IMO.

I think this week will reveal a lot. You always learn more about a team, and maybe a staff, coming off of a loss vs a win. At the very least, if the defense comes out completely flat and lost again then I will be ready to declare Wommack as not the right guy.

 

[cdub55]

If it is "judging too quickly" to say he may not be the right man, then isn't it also "judging too quickly" to say that he is the right man?

From the day he was hired I have been in a what and see holding pattern. I didn't immediately proclaim he was the next great Bama coach like many fans did. I wanted to see how this first season played out. I still haven't decided but, the Vandy loss hurt him more than the UGA win helped IMO.

I think this week will reveal a lot. You always learn more about a team, and maybe a staff, coming off of a loss vs a win. At the very least, if the defense comes out completely flat and lost again then I will be ready to declare Wommack as not the right guy.

Nothing wrong with tampering expectations but I can tell you from experience, IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR A COACH TO BE SUCCESSFUL WHEN THE FAN BASE IS BEHIND HIM AND SUPPORTIVE. I tend to err on the side of support just because I know it doesn't hurt anything. I give a coach the benefit of the doubt unless I am given a reason not to.

 

[Bruce014]

I really like DeBoar as a person, and I think his inventiveness is extraordinary, when it works. But USF shut us down for three quarters, UGA did for two, and Vandy did so off an on throughout the game. The Wisconsin game, though, was a complete and dominant and impressive performance.
Is he the right person? Possibly. But he has got to instill some discipline and shore up the defense. If he doesn't do that, and do it quickly, then it's going to be a depressing transition.

I wish I could be more optimistic.

 

[colbysullivan]

If it is "judging too quickly" to say he may not be the right man, then isn't it also "judging too quickly" to say that he is the right man?

From the day he was hired I have been in a what and see holding pattern. I didn't immediately proclaim he was the next great Bama coach like many fans did. I wanted to see how this first season played out. I still haven't decided but, the Vandy loss hurt him more than the UGA win helped IMO.

I think this week will reveal a lot. You always learn more about a team, and maybe a staff, coming off of a loss vs a win. At the very least, if the defense comes out completely flat and lost again then I will be ready to declare Wommack as not the right guy.

Fair enough. All I can say is he has won everywhere he’s been. We will be fine.

 

[bamaslammer]

From an analytical standpoint the roster isn't totally ideal for the offense and defense he wants to run so it's hard to have a fair trail. We took critical losses on defense. So is Womack tactically inferior? we will see. Our DL corps don't seem well suited to what he is trying to do. I'm sure they will resolve that through recruiting but it takes time.

Bottom line is that great players make coaches look smart. How good is Andy Reid really? He was a head coach for many many years and was always thought of as not quite good enough. Then he gets Mahomes and suddenly he's running out of fingers for rings. I was watching KC the other night and MaHomes was just toying with them. He's just that good.

If we put Derrick Thomas on the swarm defense would Womack suddenly gain IQ points? I think Womack is learning the hard way that the defense as he designed it may not be good enough for the SEC. But that doesn't mean you throw it all out. A 4 DL based defense is common. I think his job will hinge on him adjusting it to fit the SEC. but how much adjustment can you make with a bunch of 17 year olds in the secondary, a DL that doesn't penetrate and a bunch of relatively untested outside linebackers.

 

[cdub55]

I really like DeBoar as a person, and I think his inventiveness is extraordinary, when it works. But USF shut us down for three quarters, UGA did for two, and Vandy did so off an on throughout the game. The Wisconsin game, though, was a complete and dominant and impressive performance.
Is he the right person? Possibly. But he has got to instill some discipline and shore up the defense. If he doesn't do that, and do it quickly, then it's going to be a depressing transition.

I wish I could be more optimistic.

We scored 35 points on 46 snaps with under an 18 minute TOP. The offense should not be in question at this point.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

We scored 35 points on 46 snaps with under an 18 minute TOP. The offense should not be in question at this point.

And the guy publicly disclosed MOST of "his offense" won't be able to be installed until next season. Yet he's putting up 35+ per game not running his offense. LOL!

 

[cdub55]

From an analytical standpoint the roster isn't totally ideal for the offense and defense he wants to run so it's hard to have a fair trail. We took critical losses on defense. So is Womack tactically inferior? we will see. Our DL corps don't seem well suited to what he is trying to do. I'm sure they will resolve that through recruiting but it takes time.

Bottom line is that great players make coaches look smart. How good is Andy Reid really? He was a head coach for many many years and was always thought of as not quite good enough. Then he gets Mahomes and suddenly he's running out of fingers for rings. I was watching KC the other night and MaHomes was just toying with them. He's just that good.

If we put Derrick Thomas on the swarm defense would Womack suddenly gain IQ points? I think Womack is learning the hard way that the defense as he designed it may not be good enough for the SEC. But that doesn't mean you throw it all out. A 4 DL based defense is common. I think his job will hinge on him adjusting it to fit the SEC. but how much adjustment can you make with a bunch of 17 year olds in the secondary, a DL that doesn't penetrate and a bunch of relatively untested outside linebackers.

Historically the West Coast teams that have been successful recruit rangier guys and don't go after the Mount Cody's of the world. They are accustomed to seeing wide open offenses and tend to recruit the Troy Polamalu's, Kayvon Thibodeaux's, etc of the world. We definitely do not have a 4-2-5 roster right now. Not to say that we can't be successful with the current guys, but we will definitely be asking some of them to play a certain style that most likely doesn't fit their strength's and skillsets. This will be corrected over the coming recruiting cycles and portal transfers I am certain.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

If it is "judging too quickly" to say he may not be the right man, then isn't it also "judging too quickly" to say that he is the right man?

From the day he was hired I have been in a what and see holding pattern. I didn't immediately proclaim he was the next great Bama coach like many fans did. I wanted to see how this first season played out. I still haven't decided but, the Vandy loss hurt him more than the UGA win helped IMO.

I think this week will reveal a lot. You always learn more about a team, and maybe a staff, coming off of a loss vs a win. At the very least, if the defense comes out completely flat and lost again then I will be ready to declare Wommack as not the right guy.

Unfortunately, there's no such thing as this mythical middle ground of "I'm waiting and seeing". Those who are supporting him think he is presently the right guy and those who aren't don't think he is the right guy. The truth leaks, and it's gushed through several posters who are using the mythical stance of "I'm waiting and seeing". #thetruthleaks

When someone's posts are overwhelming negative, even in positive moments, it doesn't take a forensic scientist to know where they stand.