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some_al_fan said:
Of course, I knew that you would find an excuse not to trust research on this subject. In case you can’t find this readily available info on the internet, here it is:
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Following the 2020 census, six states gained a total of eight House seats, while seven states lost a total of seven seats. Texas gained two seats, and Colorado, Florida, Montana, North Carolina, and Oregon each gained one. California, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia each lost one seat.
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Let me reiterate, Texas (red +2), Colorado (blue +1), Florida (red +1), Montana (red +1), NC (red +1), Oregon (blue +1).
In total:
Gains: red +5, blue +2

Now you can go back to your regular programming on hating on how Dems invite illegals to get more seats in Congress.
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What that shows is that people are leaving the poorly run blue states and going to other places. the 2030 census will, if projections hold, make it much harder for a Dem to win the Electoral College. The blue wall won't matter anymore according to projections. A Republican can lose all three and still get to 270 once the electoral votes are reallocated.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
I would ask why don't you pick up a broader brush, but I think you're currently holding the biggest one ever.
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Fair point, let me rephrase. We were told ICE is going to get rid of the bad guys. I know of no one who finds fault with this. I haven't heard the leftest of my liberal friends complain about the human and drug traffickers recently detained from the restaurant chain in Alabama. But it really looks like ICE is targeting the lowest hanging fruit possible to meet Miller's stated arrest goals - people complying with federal instructions to check in and other long time residents of this country with no criminal record. Meanwhile, I'm not seeing any penalties for employers. So my question is does the detention and deportation of this construction worker address any real problems of this country ? Are courthouse arrests like this the highest and best use of ICE ?
 
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bamacpa said:
Meanwhile, I'm not seeing any penalties for employers.
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Everyone here agrees there should be. Does that fall under the purview of ICE, though?

So my question is does the detention and deportation of this construction worker address any real problems of this country ?
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Depends, does the exploitation of brown people count as a real problem? Does said exploitation drive down wages for everyone else? It sure does. That definitely qualifies as a problem.

Are courthouse arrests like this the highest and best use of ICE ?
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If I’m looking for criminals, seems to me a courthouse would be a sensible place to start.
 
CrimsonJazz said:
Everyone here agrees there should be. Does that fall under the purview of ICE, though?



Depends, does the exploitation of brown people count as a real problem? Does said exploitation drive down wages for everyone else? It sure does. That definitely qualifies as a problem.


If I’m looking for criminals, seems to me a courthouse would be a sensible place to start.
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The ones they're arresting at courthouses are overwhelmingly not criminals. They're people there for parole hearings, etc...
 
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CrimsonJazz said:
Everyone here agrees there should be. Does that fall under the purview of ICE, though?



Depends, does the exploitation of brown people count as a real problem? Does said exploitation drive down wages for everyone else? It sure does. That definitely qualifies as a problem.


If I’m looking for criminals, seems to me a courthouse would be a sensible place to start.
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If not ICE, then there should be a referral to Dept of Labor or DOJ.
 
bamacpa said:
If not ICE, then there should be a referral to Dept of Labor or DOJ.
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I’m down with that. I think everyone here is. It won’t take many convictions to change the landscape of how we currently regard these people as a borderline slave class. It sickens me, that’s for sure. Unfortunately, democrats and republicans are too concerned about who will clean their toilets. God forbid these elitists have to clean their own bathrooms.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
The ones they're arresting at courthouses are overwhelmingly not criminals. They're people there for parole hearings, etc...
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Parole hearings aren’t criminal law? I’m no attorney, so I have no shame in admitting that you’ve lost me here. Clearly it isn’t just me. Could you elaborate further?
 
CrimsonJazz said:
Parole hearings aren’t criminal law? I’m no attorney, so I have no shame in admitting that you’ve lost me here. Clearly it isn’t just me. Could you elaborate further?
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When asylum is claimed, they present their case to the admin judge, who normally takes it under advisement. Sometimes, it's just to a magistrate. They are then referred to as being "on parole," pending their final hearing and determination. (80% show up.) If they receive a deportation order and stay on, then they become "illegal." It has nothing whatsoever to do with criminal law...
 
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TIDE-HSV said:
When asylum is claimed, they present their case to the admin judge, who normally takes it under advisement. Sometimes, it's just to a magistrate. They are then referred to as being "on parole," pending their final hearing and determination. (80% show up.) If they receive a deportation order and stay on, then they become "illegal." It has nothing whatsoever to do with criminal law...
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Ah, okay. When I think of parole, I'm thinking of something entirely different. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
bamacpa said:
Fair point, let me rephrase. We were told ICE is going to get rid of the bad guys. I know of no one who finds fault with this. I haven't heard the leftest of my liberal friends complain about the human and drug traffickers recently detained from the restaurant chain in Alabama. But it really looks like ICE is targeting the lowest hanging fruit possible to meet Miller's stated arrest goals - people complying with federal instructions to check in and other long time residents of this country with no criminal record. Meanwhile, I'm not seeing any penalties for employers. So my question is does the detention and deportation of this construction worker address any real problems of this country ? Are courthouse arrests like this the highest and best use of ICE ?
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And this is one of my biggest beefs with the administration: why aren't we hammering the employers who hire illegals? I somewhat "get" why they are going after the low-hanging fruit. Trump's all about "show" and he wants to be able to stand behind a microphone and say his team has deported X amount of thousands per week. To do that, they have to go after the easiest to reach.
 
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Amid crackdown, Mexicans are sending less money home. It’s leaving a mark.

For decades, young people in this hillside village have had two options: harvest corn or head north.

So many left, to work as gardeners and cooks in Southern California, that the money they sent home fueled an economic transformation.

The small adobe homes in this Zapotec community of about 2,500 people gave way to two-story cement houses with wrought-iron gates. Roads were paved. A basketball court rose near the town center.

But as the Trump administration has pushed many of Quialana’s sons and daughters back to Mexico, and prompted many of those who remain in the United States to cut back on work, much of the once-steady construction in the village has come to a halt. Now the gates hide the unfinished walls of “California-style” facades.
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Yet more evidence that the US pays for almost everything. We're like Big Daddy in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof".
 
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