Issues in Education

[AWRTR]

No one wants to publicly say it, but there are some kids (not even the fault of their own) not fit for regular school. Yet, we still plug them into the education system, and with our fingers crossed, hope a school teacher with an education degree and making $40,000-$50,000/year, can do psychological and behavioral miracles in the kids that most experts in the field can't do.

My wife taught public school for about 8 years. She now works at a private school. They will dismiss students that are habitual problems. The administration tries to work the student and parent, but if expectations aren't met there is a meeting and they are told why the dismissal is occurring and wished well in their future endeavors. I understand that can't happen the same way in a public school, but chronic problem students need an alternative education system. The public school system where I am in south Florida has an alternative school program that isn't used enough.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

My wife taught public school for about 8 years. She now works at a private school. They will dismiss students that are habitual problems. The administration tries to work the student and parent, but if expectations aren't met there is a meeting and they are told why the dismissal is occurring and wished well in their future endeavors. I understand that can't happen the same way in a public school, but chronic problem students need an alternative education system. The public school system where I am in south Florida has an alternative school program that isn't used enough.

It really is a shame that there's no legal way to make these kids pick oranges all summer. I imagine three months of that will give them a new appreciation for education.

 

[AWRTR]

It really is a shame that there's no legal way to make these kids pick oranges all summer. I imagine three months of that will give them a new appreciation for education.

For some of them it would and for some it wouldn't make any difference. My mom worked in a rural school system in Alabama for about 35 years. There was one student that was receiving a paddling, this was back in the days of paddling and suspensions, and she told the principal you can paddle him everyday and you will never break him, nothing will. She was right. He eventually went to prison. Teachers tried and tried to help him but he didn't want it. There are some kids that aren't going to change, and they are the ones that break my heart the most. They don't want to be reached. Buzzard's post above about expecting teachers to fix these kids is spot on. Some can't be because they don't want to be.

 

[crimsonaudio]

For some of them it would and for some it wouldn't make any difference. My mom worked in a rural school system in Alabama for about 35 years. There was one student that was receiving a paddling, this was back in the days of paddling and suspensions, and she told the principal you can paddle him everyday and you will never break him, nothing will. She was right. He eventually went to prison. Teachers tried and tried to help him but he didn't want it. There are some kids that aren't going to change, and they are the ones that break my heart the most. They don't want to be reached. Buzzard's post above about expecting teachers to fix these kids is spot on. Some can't be because they don't want to be.

100% truth, I've seen these kids myself and I'm not in education.

But at some point there has to be an alternative to continually dropping these kids into classes where they are a constant distraction from students trying to learn.

 

[AWRTR]

100% truth, I've seen these kids myself and I'm not in education.

But at some point there has to be an alternative to continually dropping these kids into classes where they are a constant distraction from students trying to learn.

You are 100% correct. I've seen some alternative education set ups that kids go to within the school district when they can't be handled in a normal class room. They are still in school but separated from the general student body. We need more of those so teachers aren't trying to manage unruly students that don't want to be there.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

The Supreme Court just ruled parents ARE allowed to opt their children out of being indoctrinated with LGBTQ+ propaganda

HUGE WIN for religious liberty!

Government Schools were attempting to EXPEL CHILDREN for this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036828780140822830

 

[alabama mike1]

I don't have a quick answer. But there are elected officials and people in the field who get paid A LOT of money to figure it out.

A lot of the problem are those elected officials who do not have a clue about education. Do not count on them to fix anything educational because they cannot even make a decision on standard time or daylight savings time.

 

[CaliforniaTide]

You are 100% correct. I've seen some alternative education set ups that kids go to within the school district when they can't be handled in a normal class room. They are still in school but separated from the general student body. We need more of those so teachers aren't trying to manage unruly students that don't want to be there.

This requires a ton of paperwork. Typically, an administrator will know which student(s) need to be in an alternative setup, and the only way they can collect the necessary paperwork to justify the move is to build a case file on misbehavior in the general education setting. I'm sure it's related to passing the burden of proof in a federal lawsuit if one were to bring one, but it definitely takes away from students who do want to learn in the meantime.

A lot of federal caselaw up to this point have centered on issues of gaining students more equal access in the classroom. I wonder if there will be new caselaw on cases where a student's constant misbehavior in the classroom takes away their right to equal access to a quality education. It'd be a discussion on where one's rights end and another begins.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

A lot of the problem are those elected officials who do not have a clue about education. Do not count on them to fix anything educational because they cannot even make a decision on standard time or daylight savings time.

Seems like the theme all throughout our government. People get put in charge of things they have no clue about. And we wonder why we're in the financial mess we're in.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

A lot of the problem are those elected officials who do not have a clue about education. Do not count on them to fix anything educational because they cannot even make a decision on standard time or daylight savings time.

They only disagree on standard time and daylight savings time because one side is for standard and one side is for daylight savings. One side is for never changing the clocks ever again and the other is for keeping it the way it is. They are arguing over pettiness and just because. No legitimate reasons at all.

No the elected cannot fix education. They can't do anything except get elected. Mainly because of the uneducated and misinformed.

They even screwed up the No child left behind act. This should have been a good thing, but it got twisted into pass everybody no matter what.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

This woman’s 6 year old son “expressed conservative values” in his classroom

The teacher created a certificate for him that said “Most likely to become a Dictator” and presented it to him in front of his entire class while classmates called him a “Naziphile”

The indoctrination taking place in our education system is a national emergency

What's your response to this......

https://twitter.com/x/status/2037010240256782722

 

[AWRTR]

They only disagree on standard time and daylight savings time because one side is for standard and one side is for daylight savings. One side is for never changing the clocks ever again and the other is for keeping it the way it is. They are arguing over pettiness and just because. No legitimate reasons at all.

No the elected cannot fix education. They can't do anything except get elected. Mainly because of the uneducated and misinformed.

They even screwed up the No child left behind act. This should have been a good thing, but it got twisted into pass everybody no matter what.

Many of the so called experts are just ideologues with degrees. I have a history education degree as my undergraduate degree and let me tell you that colleges of education are a joke. I've rarely run across more "educated" useless people than in the education sphere.

 

[crimsonaudio]

A lot of federal caselaw up to this point have centered on issues of gaining students more equal access in the classroom.

For good reason, I might add.

I wonder if there will be new caselaw on cases where a student's constant misbehavior in the classroom takes away their right to equal access to a quality education. It'd be a discussion on where one's rights end and another begins.

This is where the rubber meets the road, imo. When one student is ether a total distraction or requires so much individual attention that the other students are not receiving the attention they need it's a problem.

Once again I'm glad this isn't an issue I have to resolve...

 

[81usaf92]

This woman’s 6 year old son “expressed conservative values” in his classroom

The teacher created a certificate for him that said “Most likely to become a Dictator” and presented it to him in front of his entire class while classmates called him a “Naziphile”

The indoctrination taking place in our education system is a national emergency

What's your response to this......

https://twitter.com/x/status/2037010240256782722

Quite honestly I don’t ever believe parents like that. Most actually concerned parents don’t go as public with it. Usually there is an ulterior motive behind it.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Quite honestly I don’t ever believe parents like that. Most actually concerned parents don’t go as public with it. Usually there is an ulterior motive behind it.

If her motive is anything less than getting that teacher's ass fired, I'll be real disappointed. Teachers are like any other demographic: most of them are good and nothing they do, personally or professionally, will ever be newsworthy. But like priests, ministers and rabbis, there will always be a freakish subset of terrible people who do terrible things.

 

[Huckleberry]

My response to this old story is that if the allegations are true, the teacher should be fired.

Also, those who use incidents like this to smear the entire public education system are beneath contempt. One has the feeling that they would never do the same to the entire Christian community for pedophilia or all police officers for brutality.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

My response to this old story is that if the allegations are true, the teacher should be fired.

Also, those who use incidents like this to smear the entire public education system are beneath contempt. One has the feeling that they would never do the same to the entire Christian community for pedophilia or all police officers for brutality.

Agreed.

 

[81usaf92]

If her motive is anything less than getting that teacher's ass fired, I'll be real disappointed. Teachers are like any other demographic: most of them are good and nothing they do, personally or professionally, will ever be newsworthy. But like priests, ministers and rabbis, there will always be a freakish subset of terrible people who do terrible things.

Here is the thing. Parents can be some of the craziest beings ever. I mean I have some horror stories in which you’ll go “wow that’s mental”.

For example, a parent was mad at the fact that her child’s services didn’t include “reading in small groups” So she went out of her way to go to the board and around my own administration to complain that “Her teacher is showing porn and talking about violence”. She literally made lessons up that I supposedly taught on Greek myths and found pictures on the internet that I supposedly showed. Yet I’m a history teacher that briefly explained, key word explained, the bare bone plot of the odyssey to talk about Greek culture.

Anytime someone goes to the board about a complaint over a teacher I don’t take it seriously. It’s mostly because it’s an obnoxious breaking of the chain of command and not even the right method of handling it. If you want a teacher fired then go to the principal, and if that doesn’t help go to central office. But going to a BOE meeting and complaining doesn’t do you any favors. All it results in is a rolling of eyes while everyone is thinking about dinner plans. It comes across as self promotion and arrogance. Most real complaints are done through lawsuits and in back offices

 

[CaliforniaTide]

For good reason, I might add.


This is where the rubber meets the road, imo. When one student is ether a total distraction or requires so much individual attention that the other students are not receiving the attention they need it's a problem.

Once again I'm glad this isn't an issue I have to resolve...

I absolutely agree. Just speaking of pendulum of the caselaw.

 

[CaliforniaTide]

For good reason, I might add.


This is where the rubber meets the road, imo. When one student is ether a total distraction or requires so much individual attention that the other students are not receiving the attention they need it's a problem.

Once again I'm glad this isn't an issue I have to resolve...

Me too. As a former teacher, I can remember the particular students that were a huge issue themselves, and were never, ever held accountable for their actions. Even if the infraction was higher grade in the code of conduct - not held accountable.