Jalen Milroe is now the starter going forward.

colbysullivan

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None of us know exactly what is happening here but remember when there was a QB controversy between Tua and Jalen Hurts. Hurts was playing but the players had confidence in Tua and stories were circulating there was a near mutiny in the locker room. The difference back then however was the fan base and even OC Brian Daboll felt Tua was the better choice. Here it seems the players support Milroe along with some in the media. I can't say this was a near mutiny situation but JessN who has a good idea about whats best for Alabama football was convinced that Simpson was in the driver's seat.
I want to make sure I have the timeline right. When did Jess say Simpson was in the driver’s seat? In the spring or after this game?
 
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None of us know exactly what is happening here but remember when there was a QB controversy between Tua and Jalen Hurts. Hurts was playing but the players had confidence in Tua and stories were circulating there was a near mutiny in the locker room. The difference back then however was the fan base and even OC Brian Daboll felt Tua was the better choice. Here it seems the players support Milroe along with some in the media. I can't say this was a near mutiny situation but JessN who has a good idea about whats best for Alabama football was convinced that Simpson was in the driver's seat.
Man, I'd love to have that QB controversy back.
 
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Y'all don't blow a fuse when I say this (or maybe do before you fry the circuit) but Milroe IS the best option at this point. He's the only QB with enough athleticism to compensate the O-line deficiencies. He ain't gonna throw for 300 and will have turnovers but unfortunately, we simply do not have the line to protect a pocket passer. This season is going to be a struggle and success will largely depend on our defense.
 

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Run the ball, zone reads, sweeps, quick passes. get it out of his hands quick and or let him run more, He is a dual threat, not a pocket passer. We didnt call plays to help him be successful vs texas.
We ran a ton of zone read / RPO against UTw. We also had a lot of quick routes called, where JM didn't throw the ball to them.

The limiter on both these is that to be successful, the QB has to get the ball out on time, and right now that isn't a skill Milroe has demonstrated. It seems like it's a lack of anticipation - i.e. he should know where the WR should be to get the ball, well before he get there and throws should be downfield long before the receiver is 'open'. The opportunities were there...
 

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I want to make sure I have the timeline right. When did Jess say Simpson was in the driver’s seat? In the spring or after this game?
After this game Jess said:
"For now, though, Simpson is in the driver’s seat and should stay there unless he does something to get himself tossed out of it."
 

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Congratulations you posted the dumbest thing I read on the internet today ;)
game has changed. recruiting has changed. The man is in his 70s.

Maybe he's not "done", but a ride off into the sunset and not pulling a bobby bowden, is and always has been my preferred Saban exit.

The decline is real... and this situation makes it clear to me that we've just hit the iceberg on the titantic
 

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First, we hear about a player meeting. Then we hear Milroe is the starter after benching him. It’s fishy, but is it possible that Saban is saying “Aight. You guys think you know best? Former players think they know best? Fans think they know best? I’ll give you what you want.”
Would he do something like that? I’m sure he’s frustrated as all get-out right now.
 

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I think they wanted to give Buchner a chance and Ty came in because for some reason Milroe wasn't going to play in that game regardless.
I think Milroe was either suspended or had a bad attitude during practice week. He wasn't going to play at all against USF. If you listen to Saban's presser after the game, he alluded to something but didn't say what. Then today he didn't want to talk much about it. Whatever the reason, if the O line improves and Rees actually tailors an offense to help Jalen, maybe we will survive the regular season with only 1 more loss or no losses instead of 4 losses like many people expect. It all depends on Jalen, O line, and play calling. I guess if it gets bad enough, he can put in Ty. Not sure how Ty's attitude will be though but they all need to be ready to be next man up in case of an injury. And that includes Lonergan. He doesn't need to redshirt if he improves each week.
 

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Milroe also holds the ball too long, and also isn’t accurate with his throws, but that’s none of my business…
Trying to figure out when he held the ball too long? 3 maybe 4 seconds was the longest he held one of the sacks. What was the route tree? Some of yall putting a lot on Ty's back unwarranted. Kid came in and DIDN'T TURN THE BALL OVER. Completed most of his passes and led 2 scoring drives. Is he better than JM? I don't know. But throwing the kid under the bus for leading the team (with that oline and play calling) to a win is absurd.
 
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improvising is how we get OL way down field when the QB passes because they are honestly expecting him to run. If there is no designed play, the other 10 guys just have to try their best and hope.

Executing what ND ran requires reading coverages and hitting a lot of shorter routes, with a lot of timing and throwing into windows instead of to an 'open' WR. There have been a lot of things called where these routes and spots were very open, so the OC has been trying to get those concepts into play. Milroe hasn't yet demonstrated the ability to execute these plays. They've been there, he's just not pulling the trigger for whatever reason.

His worst INT against UTw was a one receiver route on each side with one possible read. he threw the ball way too late, and never seemed to look at the player he should have been reading.

Reading half the field is essentially what the RPO (those are also designed runs) concepts are that Milroe was running. We've already tried that. UTw decided to play it so that Milroe would read keep instead of RB handoff, then when we'd hope that we would be forcing the D to play either the Milroe run or pass and they pretty much just played the run and it worked.

Those quick throws also require a lot of timing and accuracy and, as stated, that's a skill we have yet to see Milroe demonstrate; and he's had the chances.
We've tried some of it. I would try more variations of it. And again, nothing is going to completely fix the issue. Yes he only had 2 options on that one INT and never looked the right way. The best we can do in those situations is hope more snaps help him learn.

Did anyone watch Bryce Young's first NFL game? Bryce threw 2 bad ints that were basically the same bad read both times. I'm sure no one is giving up on him after one game and assuming he'll never learn from it. Hopefully Milroe will learn from his INT as well.

Yes improvising sometimes leads to illegal man down field and holding penalties but if you move the pocket and have him roll out more often it at least puts him in more space which is where he is at his best. And adding some more creative QB runs than just QB draws should help somewhat.

Look, no one is saying Milroe is a star but I do think we can do some stuff that we haven't tried yet to help him. We probably aren't a playoff team this year with our current QBs and OL and maybe that's just a reality we need to accept.
 

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Trying to figure out when he held the ball too long? 3 maybe 4 seconds was the longest he held one of the sacks. What was the route tree? Some of yall putting a lot on Ty's back unwarranted. Kid came in and DIDN'T TURN THE BALL OVER. Completed most of his passes and led 2 scoring drives. Is he better than JM? I don't know. But throwing the kid under the bus for leading the team (with that oline and play calling) to a win is absurd.
I don’t think Ty held the ball too long except for maybe one or two plays. It’s his first real game action. Milroe has started an SEC game and has been there 3 years, he should know better.
 
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Milroe isn't close to perfect. But I still didn't see what some of you seemed to see with Ty.
I don’t understand what we were supposed to expect out of him. He was the 3rd string QB with supposed huge upside. Was put into the game at the very end of the 2nd quarter so basically only played the 2nd half. He managed the offense to all 17 points, didn’t make stupid mistakes, didn’t get rattled, didn’t turn the ball over. That is all I’m asking the backup QB to do when coming in unexpectedly into a game because the starter can’t perform. Yes., he got sacked and some were probably his fault for holding the ball too long. But imo that is way more coachable and fixable than what we’ve seen with Milroe. It was his first full speed college game when it actually mattered.

A better evaluation would be after he actually practices as the starter and starts a game imo.
 
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