Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - and...no charges to be filed...

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TideMom2Boys

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They have an escape clause in their policy for that. "Extraordinary" circumstances or something like that.

Could you imagine if they did that? Bad publicity....bad for recruiting...also potential lawsuits from previous students who might have been suspended for that reason.
 

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If Winston is charged with rape there is no chance he plays the rest of the year until the charge are cleared. None.
 

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Yep. And you can bet your house that playing for a national title would qualify under 'special circumstances'. One problem, though. He won't be able to leave the state. The big game is in Pasadena. If it were in Miami, then it would get really interesting.

So, with the game out of state, I'd say they'd suspend him to make a show of doing the right thing.
Ha! I didn't think of that. I'd bet you are right they would suspend him for show.
 

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Yep, just read that it will "likely be after Thanksgiving" before the police decide to charge him. They want to guarantee they don't get beat by that crappy UF team. Shameful!!

I despise Gloria Allred, but it's time for the victim to hire her!!
At some point and on some level, FSU is flirting with poor positioning for civil lawsuit defense. It would behoove them to be circumspect, I think. Of course, there's a counter philosophy. "All in", I believe they call it.

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Could you imagine if they did that? Bad publicity....bad for recruiting...also potential lawsuits from previous students who might have been suspended for that reason.
I saw Papa Bowden do it too many times. Yes rape is another level, but they'd be saying innocent until proven guilty and all that.
 

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That's what I was thinking exactly... If they do that.. won't look good for them.
Could you imagine if they did that? Bad publicity....bad for recruiting...also potential lawsuits from previous students who might have been suspended for that reason.
 

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DaveFrat made a very important observation earlier in this thread, and he's experienced in this sort of case. Prosecutors don't press for prosecution, by whatever route is appropriate in their states, based on having a probable conviction, as this prosecutor states. They prosecute on the basis of "probable cause." What we have are the following elements: The victim alleges rape and promptly reports it as such and goes to the hospital. There is a DNA match, showing penetration has occurred. In nine out of ten cases, this is enough for probable cause and the prosecutor leaves it up to the trier of fact - the jury - to determine whether the offense has taken place. At a trial, many other pieces of evidence would come into play - why was she there; were they inebriated; what did the witnesses say (not many rape cases with eyewitnesses); what was her condition at the hospital when she reported the rape - many other facets. Prosecutors don't normally worry about all that. All cases have their pros and cons, strong points and weak points. The prosecutor is not a judge. He's an advocate for the state and a seeker after the truth, to be determined by the jury. This has to be the most timid prosecutor I've ever seen. Normally, the tendency is to err on the other side. The only, again, only, thing I can see which would cause a delay in bring a case would be if there were no physical signs of forced penetration. I must say that I would be very surprised if she went to the hospital if there weren't any. So, count me, along with the other members in this thread whom I know are lawyers, as being mystified that probable cause hasn't been found. The whole matter reeks of special handling, or "home cooking," if you prefer. He has had a couple of other "difficulties" which have not come into the public eye. This one was too big and the victim's parents too persistent for that to work this time. At this point in time, I haven't much faith in the rule of law in Tallahassee. I would never want this black eye happening in Tuscaloosa...
 

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15 minutes of fame! I graduated in 78 so I would know that! Communications degree to boot.
15 minutes of fame is Warhol.


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Willie Meggs has some significant controversery which has surrounded him through the years. In 2011 he refused to bring charges against Wakulla County Sheriff David Harvey. Their friendship was well known and a lot of shady things were taking place in Wakulla county (south of Tallahassee, in his district).

Long story short, Meggs is a huge wild card in this whole thing. As Earle pointed out, why has it taken so long to establish probable cause? Either they have it, or they don't. It's perplexing.
 

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Here is what we know. She reported rape within 24 hours. Winston's DNA was found in her underwear. These are facts. Anyone one of us on this board would have already been arrested in that situation. This is beyond ridiculous.
 
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Here is what we know. She reported rape within 24 hours. Winston's DNA was found in her underwear. These are facts. Anyone one of us on this board would have already been arrested in that situation. This is beyond ridiculous.
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Here is what we know. She reported rape within 24 hours. Winston's DNA was found in her underwear. These are facts. Anyone one of us on this board would have already been arrested in that situation. This is beyond ridiculous.
The fact is that if these were the facts about my daughter's encounter with him then they'd have to put me on house arrest to not put him on the receiving end of a shotgun blast.
 

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This has to be the most timid prosecutor I've ever seen. Normally, the tendency is to err on the other side. The only, again, only, thing I can see which would cause a delay in bring a case would be if there were no physical signs of forced penetration. I must say that I would be very surprised if she went to the hospital if there weren't any. So, count me, along with the other members in this thread whom I know are lawyers, as being mystified that probable cause hasn't been found. The whole matter reeks of special handling, or "home cooking," if you prefer. He has had a couple of other "difficulties" which have not come into the public eye. This one was too big and the victim's parents too persistent for that to work this time. At this point in time, I haven't much faith in the rule of law in Tallahassee. I would never want this black eye happening in Tuscaloosa...
I lost faith in the prosecutor when he went out and basically said he was waiting on talking to some more witnesses before he decided. For one, if there is any sort of tampering going on, when you go out and just announce hey, I'm going to base what I do on what the witnesses tell me, that's basically open season isn't it? By the way, I believe he's an FSU grad.

There are, in my mind, only two logical explanations for what is going on. The first is that there never was a case. There was no sign of violence at all, and despite her allegation, and subjecting herself to a rape kit, that there was no sign of rape, there was no reason to believe her version of events, and that there was contrary witness testimony from the start. That's the only valid reason I can think of that things would have been handled the way they have been thus far, and even then it doesn't explain why things weren't followed up on back then.

The flip side goes back to a cover-up, and the police not doing their job. We know there have been coverups regarding rape and football programs before, we know there have been multiple football players involved in sexual abuse before, there is every reason to believe an accuser that comes forward, and subjects herself to a rape kit, and goes through all of that if she has any signs of being attacked in any manner. You can't rely on "witnesses", you can't rely on the mechanism supporting the football program, you need to rely on the evidence and the victim. Remember, Sandusky's actions were reported, but the structure in place to support the football team allowed him to get away with it for quite a while.

Even if you believe what was said in that horrible Yardbarker "article", you end up with a woman who comes forward saying she was raped, with Winston's DNA on her, subjects herself to a rape kit, and has signs of being restrained (bruised wrists). What prosecutor doesn't move forward swiftly with that kind of evidence? As it stands now, if that is the Winston defense, it makes it easy to see why a sympathetic TPD and Winston's side (assuming they're not one and the same) would slow walk this. By waiting, it gave Winston time to heal up from any wounds, real or imagined and in doing so, you lose all physical evidence in that regard and we're just left with Winston's account, and furthermore it gives him plenty of time to let the FSU power structure do their work on any witnesses and get the stories lined up.

This whole thing stinks...
 

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Re: Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - update: DNA match found

DaveFrat made a very important observation earlier in this thread, and he's experienced in this sort of case. Prosecutors don't press for prosecution, by whatever route is appropriate in their states, based on having a probable conviction, as this prosecutor states. They prosecute on the basis of "probable cause." What we have are the following elements: The victim alleges rape and promptly reports it as such and goes to the hospital. There is a DNA match, showing penetration has occurred. In nine out of ten cases, this is enough for probable cause and the prosecutor leaves it up to the trier of fact - the jury - to determine whether the offense has taken place. At a trial, many other pieces of evidence would come into play - why was she there; were they inebriated; what did the witnesses say (not many rape cases with eyewitnesses); what was her condition at the hospital when she reported the rape - many other facets. Prosecutors don't normally worry about all that. All cases have their pros and cons, strong points and weak points. The prosecutor is not a judge. He's an advocate for the state and a seeker after the truth, to be determined by the jury. This has to be the most timid prosecutor I've ever seen. Normally, the tendency is to err on the other side. The only, again, only, thing I can see which would cause a delay in bring a case would be if there were no physical signs of forced penetration. I must say that I would be very surprised if she went to the hospital if there weren't any. So, count me, along with the other members in this thread whom I know are lawyers, as being mystified that probable cause hasn't been found. The whole matter reeks of special handling, or "home cooking," if you prefer. He has had a couple of other "difficulties" which have not come into the public eye. This one was too big and the victim's parents too persistent for that to work this time. At this point in time, I haven't much faith in the rule of law in Tallahassee. I would never want this black eye happening in Tuscaloosa...
I`ll be stunned if this thing ever sees the inside of a court room. Is the prosecutor an elected official? If he is, this is a "well, duh !"
 

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If the prosecutor doesn't move forward with this, i can't imagine the girl and her lawyer just going away and forgetting about it.
With the way the police department handled everything, it smells of corruption, why should anybody feel safe down there if the PD slow plays rape and the prosecutor sits on his hands?

The only other explanation is the girl, her family and the lawyer are total crack pots looking for publicity for a consensual act.
 

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Every-time our players have gotten into trouble with the law, I don't recall us fans here on TideFans, calling for the charges to be dropped, we all pretty much understood what they did was wrong,and just about all of us, wanted them all off the team..Like the 4 players that was kicked off the team, we didn't want them on the team, after they beat up that UA Student awhile back, and even though they all would prolly be major contributors to the team, especially Eddie Williams, dude could have been a major player for us this year on offense..JMHO
Not the same, TideMan. This would be the equivalent of Mark or Trent or Julio or AJ. Heck, it would be like Namath or Stabler, and they would be denying that they had done anything wrong. Who would we want to believe? Throw in the craziness of a football mad campus being on the cusp of a return to glory and the weird timing of these allegations, and the mania only increases.

One last thing: our board reflects only a segment of our fan base. I'm afraid a similar set of circumstances, with two jiggers of anonymous chat room added to the mix, might lead to some embarrassment. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about that.
 
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i am not a lawyer, but i am just wondering about the age of the young women, since she was enrolled as a student. in florida what is the age of consensual sex ok. even though she is stating she was raped, like many have stated. she should have her day in court. how can the prosecutor be the judge of the truth of this matter, unless, he has proof beyond any doubt that is wasnt. just really strange considering the delays, and coverup by local authorities. oh well, i guess the heisman and a shot at the title is more important in tallahassee.
 

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If the prosecutor doesn't move forward with this, i can't imagine the girl and her lawyer just going away and forgetting about it.
With the way the police department handled everything, it smells of corruption, why should anybody feel safe down there if the PD slow plays rape and the prosecutor sits on his hands?

The only other explanation is the girl, her family and the lawyer are total crack pots looking for publicity for a consensual act.
She could sue, which could cause all sorts of future embarrassment for the city, the state attorney, the player and the school, but it wouldn't affect whether JM hits the field.

One other point: the state attorney is an elected position. A politician in this situation, even if he had an iron-clad case, would have to be insane if he didn't make it seem he was proceeding cautiously here.
 

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One other point: the state attorney is an elected position. A politician in this situation, even if he had an iron-clad case, would have to be insane if he didn't make it seem he was proceeding cautiously here.
True, he has to live there when this is over ... quite an art, appearing loathe to pull the rope on the guillotine
 
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