Jamil Burroughs reportedly "facing discipline" that could impact status with the team

[CB4]

This is a new reality.

I personally hope this problem can be solved with internal discipline.

Is this really worse than what happened with Tony Mitchell, who is being disciplined and reportedly working his way back into CNS's good graces???

Actually this circumstance with Mitchell was the first thing that came to my mind. It is the reason my initial statement was “it will be interesting to see how this plays out”.

To be clear, I wasn’t a fan of Mitchell’s reinstatement. It just left me with a bad feeling in my gut.

But the question now becomes one of how to rationalize kicking Burroughs off the team but Mitchell gets back on the team after a no contest plea to felony pot possession and sentenced to three years probation, community service and fines? Not to mention he fled from the police at a speed in excess of 140 mph (to me this is almost worse the possession charge. He could have killed someone).

If CNS would have sent Mitchell packing, then what happens with Burroughs is more clear cut. IMO now, not so much.

 

[Bubbaloo]

I thought the treatment of Mekhi Brown was a mistake. He should have been booted off the sideline instantly, and sent home on a bus that night.

You could look at Brown’s treatment as a precedent, or you could look at it as a mistake. I wouldn’t be in favor of perpetuating a mistake simply because it‘s a misguided precedent.

Side note: If I remember correctly, Brown transferred out during the offseason after his sideline misconduct.

I don’t know for sure what Burroughs did. Only things I’ve seen confirmed are (1) it was conduct detrimental to the team, and (2) it didn’t involve any legal issues.

While getting physical with a coach would fit those criteria, I don’t know whether he actually did that or not. But if he did, he should be booted immediately, permanently, and without recourse.

We all agree that the team culture got a bit soft in the last few years, and we’re all glad to see the return of mental and physical toughness. You can’t restore that mentality only when it’s convenient and relatively painless. It has to be consistently reinforced across all players, whether they’re a returning All-American or a true freshman walk-on.

Right now, we’re talking the talk. If you allow a player to get physical with a coach, you’re not walking the walk. It just sends a horrible message that if we need you bad enough, you can do anything — up to and including striking a coach — and we’ll find a way to keep you on.

IOW, all that stuff about a return to mental discipline and physical toughness is just off-season yammering for the fans.

The fact that Burroughs would find a landing place (maybe with a rival) within days if not hours of entering the portal can’t influence the decision.

If it was an intentional striking of a coach it's one thing...if was striking a coach for breaking up a ruckus and not knowing who was grabbing him from behind, it is another thing altogether--CNS has got this and he know the facts---we will know soon

 

[HighlandOak]

Not smart AT ALL!

If this is a first time "terrible error in judgment" kind of thing I surely hope CNS will discipline him properly and he can earn his way back. Remember, we had a DB make a big mistake and he's working his way back as we speak.

However, (and this is what we don't know) if this is another incident in a string of bad attitude/judgment issues with him, this may serve as a wake up call and reminder to the rest of the team that CNS is returning to his old self of being tough about discipline and toughness and doing it the right way!

Proper discipline would not result in him ever being on the team.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

IF he got physical with a coach he should have been sent packing 1 minute later.

And if he struck someone, then charges could be pressed against him.................

 

[4Q Basket Case]

This thread is about Jamil Burroughs and his potential disciplinary issues.

It’s not about coaches except to the extent they figure directly in to the issue at hand.

Next bashing of any coach for red-herring reasons shuts the thread and gets the basher a vacation.

 

[HighlandOak]

I agree with the next man up mentality but this would be a really unfortunate loss. He was supposed to be a difference maker this year and we need some of those guys on the DL

That would be a great precedent.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Actually this circumstance with Mitchell was the first thing that came to my mind. It is the reason my initial statement was “it will be interesting to see how this plays out”.

To be clear, I wasn’t a fan of Mitchell’s reinstatement. It just left me with a bad feeling in my gut.

But the question now becomes one of how to rationalize kicking Burroughs off the team but Mitchell gets to back on the team after a no contest plea to felony pot possession and sentenced to three years probation, community service and fines? Not to mention he fled from the police at a speed in excess of 140 mph (to me this is almost worse the possession charge. He could have killed someone).

If CNS would have sent Mitchell packing, then what happens with Burroughs is more clear cut. IMO now, not so much.

Good points. I was no fan of Mitchell’s reinstatement, for exactly the reasons you cite.

Excellent example of what happens when you compromise principles while attempting to lead 100 +/- young men, many of whom come from unstructured backgrounds.

 

[HighlandOak]

Yep, boot him and he is in the portal to UGA, TN, or Aub instantly...

Good. They can deal with his attitude.

 

[81usaf92]

If it was an intentional striking of a coach it's one thing...if was striking a coach for breaking up a ruckus and not knowing who was grabbing him from behind, it is another thing altogether--CNS has got this and he know the facts---we will know soon

The problem is that we really don’t know the context or even the coach’s opinion on it. We are literally going off some dirt that a pot stirrer for rivals heard.

As for the people who say “let Georgia have him and his attitude”…. They will be the same people cussing midseason when our depth really shows on the Dline and saying what he did wasn’t as bad as what Mitchell did.

More to the point… We have no idea of the severity of it or the overall context of it. So let’s dial it back a bit and see what CNS decides.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Something to consider regarding bringing Brown into this discussion: we do not know if Brown was given the chance to pay penance. He could’ve looked at the list of actions to complete and said, “Nah.”

 

[81usaf92]

Something to consider regarding bringing Brown into this discussion: we do not know if Brown was given the chance to pay penance. He could’ve looked at the list of actions to complete and said, “Nah.”

I don’t think the two instances are as similar as people think. People forget Brown was already set on transferring in October. Also what people forget is that Saban put him even after that blowup in the same game.

If I was willing to bet… the decision will be based on around whether Allen and Jamil can coexist together and whether or not Jamil will adhere to the type of discipline that CNS decides on. That’s unless Things are worse than what is being inferred.

 

[HighlandOak]

As for the people who say “let Georgia have him and his attitude”…. They will be the same people cussing midseason when our depth really shows on the Dline and saying what he did wasn’t as bad as what Mitchell did.

Nope. No cussing here, regardless of depth issues. I would take depth issues if both were gone.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

That would be a great precedent.

What would? I didn't say what should or shouldn't happen. I just said that this could be a significant loss

 

[davefrat]

I would rather lose games because we don’t tolerate thuggish behavior than win games because we do.

 

[HighlandOak]

What would? I didn't say what should or shouldn't happen. I just said that this could be a significant loss

If he were allowed to stay on the team because of his positional importance.

 

[UAH]

I would rather lose games because we don’t tolerate thuggish behavior than win games because we do.

I am attempting to disconnect myself emotionally from the odd things a group of 18-20 year old newly minted millionaires do. Particularly in this new college football environment that is so bent on its own self destruction.

 

[CoolBreeze]

Well, this whole situation is probably going to be an over cooked nothing burger. If it were that serious we'd already know he was permanently off the team. But since that is not the case I believe that there are hail mary's and wind sprints in Jamil's immediate future:

Jumbo Package: Jamil Burroughs in trouble, Alabama offers 9th grade QB

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[SkullDuckery]

I had him confused with Oatis, I was in panic mode for a second.

 

[bamamc1]

If I were a player and wanted to get physical with a coach, Chapman wouldn't be the one I chose. RTR my friends.

 

[GrayTide]

"The Off Season" strikes again. I am sure this is only the first of the season. SMH