Jordan Palmer on what Bama fans can expect from Milroe 2024 (video)

[AlexanderFan]

I'll never forget the game in which the blue print was cast to defend Hurts. It was the LSU game in Baton Rouge when their DC made it a point to have both DE's seal the edges, force him to stay in the pocket and go through his progressions. From that game on, every decent SEC team we played did that and our offensive production started to dip.

Third down conversions went belly up, that is familiar with what is happening now.

 

[davefrat]

Not at all. You stated the debate on Milroe specifically was somewhere between he's not a QB and he's going to win the Heisman. I stated that you could apply that generalization to every player that ever played QB since 1935.....I didn't state where Tua was on that debate scale or Spencer Pennington.

Pennington would have been closer to the he's not a QB side.
Tua obviously would have been closer to the he's gonna win a Heisman.
Bryce won the Heisman.
Mac almost won the Heisman.

Milroe is closer to the he's not a QB.....but some will say he's close to he's gonna win a Heisman because he was in the voting last year. (he wasn't in the voting because of his grasp of an offense or his ability to read a defense.)

You could apply that generalization...but it would be absurd.

No rational person could have looked at Tua and said he's not a QB.

Sorry, but I think you're just trying to be argumentative at this point.

 

[davefrat]

Well, if you don't call "He'll never play quarterback in the NFL" an accusation of him not being a real quarterback then no. But he got a lot of criticism and yes, it was suggested he change positions. It was said that "he couldn't read defenses" which was true. He was a one-read pony until he left Alabama and started working with Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. But Hurts got a lot of criticism when he was here.

I said he got a lot of criticism, but I don't recall anyone ever saying he wasn't a real QB.

Maybe they did, but I don't recall it.

And it would seem rather obvious that the discussion about Milroe has been about his prospects as a college QB at Bama and not about his prospects in the NFL.

But there have to be nits to pick, right?

 

[Cruloc]

You could apply that generalization...but it would be absurd.

No rational person could have looked at Tua and said he's not a QB.

Sorry, but I think you're just trying to be argumentative at this point.

Nope, not at all. Simply stating that all players would fall somewhere in the vast range you've mentioned. Some much further one way than the other, like our last 3 QB's before Milroe. Which is why there is such an obvious drop off.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I said he got a lot of criticism, but I don't recall anyone ever saying he wasn't a real QB.

Maybe they did, but I don't recall it.

And it would seem rather obvious that the discussion about Milroe has been about his prospects as a college QB at Bama and not about his prospects in the NFL.

But there have to be nits to pick, right?

Oh yeah, it was said, LOL. I don't think the conversation lingered as the Milroe one has, but I distinctly remember several saying "he's not a quarterback".

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

Oh yeah, it was said, LOL. I don't think the conversation lingered as the Milroe one has, but I distinctly remember several saying "he's not a quarterback".

Hurts going to the Big 12 and playing against their defense was the best thing that could have happened for him. He was able to work on his passing skills while still being able to use his legs as a weapon.

 

[gtgilbert]

Hurts certainly had his limitations.

That being said, I don't recall anyone ever accusing him of not being a real QB? Maybe they did. I recall a fair amount of grousing about him.

I wonder where Milroe is at this point in comparison to Hurts at that point.

I know that Milroe is quite a bit older than Hurts was when they both became the starter.

Hurts, even with his limitations, started his Alabama career as a true freshman way, way ahead of where Milroe is right now with the potential exception of the deep pass. It's not really even close.

 

[BamaMoon]

I wonder where Milroe is at this point in comparison to Hurts at that point.

I know that Milroe is quite a bit older than Hurts was when they both became the starter.

Straight up comparison of 3rd year JH at Bama (the year he came off the bench and led us to the SECC when Tua got hurt) and 3rd year JM - the one who started for us last year?

JH is superior in every QB category I can think of except the long ball, which we know is JM's baby.

 

[BamaMoon]

Hurts, even with his limitations, started his Alabama career as a true freshman way, way ahead of where Milroe is right now with the potential exception of the deep pass. It's not really even close.

I shudder to think what JM would have looked like as a passer as a true freshman thown into the game on the second series of the opening game.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

I honestly don't think of Jordan Palmer as some unknown commodity.

Josh Pate? I could see a lot of people being like "who the heck is that?"

I'd never have heard of the guy if not for this site...and I have no idea what his background is.

Josh Pate is a Georgia Boy.

 

[JDCrimson]

This whole debate reminds of the QB controversy of Danny Woodson v Jay Barker. Imo there isn't much difference in DW and JM just better supporting players around him.

And CGS wouldn't give a rip who the players wanted to play QB...

 

[countrytider]

You are confusing "accomplishments" with "execution."

We slopped/muddled/lucked our way to a lot of those accomplishments. There were many games during the year we barely beat average teams and looked real sloppy doing so.

Those 3 things are the only things that stood between last year's 10-2 season and CNS finishing off at probably 8-4.

You’re confusing “almost” with “reality”.

12-2, SEC Champs is reality.

It won’t be diminished because we had issues, barely beat avg teams, “should be 8-4” , or “got lucky”.

It was “almost” a bad season, except it wasn’t.

We can agree to disagree as far as I’m concerned.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Hurts certainly had his limitations.

That being said, I don't recall anyone ever accusing him of not being a real QB? Maybe they did. I recall a fair amount of grousing about him.

I wonder where Milroe is at this point in comparison to Hurts at that point.

I know that Milroe is quite a bit older than Hurts was when they both became the starter.

Hurts was better even with his flaws because he didn’t continuously make negative plays.

He also handled everything in an exemplary way.

He was flat benched and lost his job and did nothing but work his butt off behind the scenes with Enos getting better while also being a Great Teammate and supporter of Tua.

There was no expletive laced tirades or helmet slinging or sulking on the Bench.

 

[BamaMoon]

You’re confusing “almost” with “reality”.

12-2, SEC Champs is reality.

It won’t be diminished because we had issues, barely beat avg teams, “should be 8-4” , or “got lucky”.

It was “almost” a bad season, except it wasn’t.

We can agree to disagree as far as I’m concerned.

Yes we can and we do and that's fine. Roll Tide.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

There was no expletive laced tirades or helmet slinging or sulking on the Bench.

Did Milroe do any of this? I know he threw the helmet after we lost but the rest I don't remember

 

[Ledsteplin]

I have learned that positive comments or defending Milroe gets you a bunch of facepalm and bang your head emojis. The "sunshine pumpers" are in the overwhleming minority.

Could be a silent majority.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Did Milroe do any of this? I know he threw the helmet after we lost but the rest I don't remember

Yes. It's been covered multiple times already.

He went on a Tirade about the Heisman after the AU game and Sulked on the Bench at A-Day.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Yes. It's been covered multiple times already.

He went on a Tirade about the Heisman after the AU game and Sulked on the Bench at A-Day.

I don't recall any sulking on the bench at A-Day. He did get upset with himself for play.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I don't recall any sulking on the bench at A-Day. He did get upset with himself for play.

Semantics.

That's all I'll say lest I be accused for not being an expert in body language.

 

[BamaMoon]

Josh Pate is a Georgia Boy.

By birth...I think that is right, but I find him about as fair as any media person out there. This is even true when he is discussing Bama and Georgia.

I'll say it this way. I could never be as objective as I think he is with my full-bore Crimson Glasses.