Los Angeles wildfires

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Conditional aid in the face of disaster is evil. Americans help our fellow citizens, even if we disagree with them politically.

Sure, as I understand it the folks are going to receive help without conditions, other than what's normally expected....like the administrative stuff for example that FEMA always requires.

Beyond that......legislation to provide California funds to rebuild their infrastructure should be under discussion.

In addition to the State of California's efforts....FEMA is already on the ground helping the folks right now.

FEMA's administrator says more than 24,000 in LA have applied for assistance
 
Beyond that......legislation to provide California funds to rebuild their infrastructure should be under discussion.
FWIW, I don't have a problem with rebuilding funding being tied to updated codes, just like happens anywhere when a structure is rebuilt. In this case, there needs to be proof that there wasn't malfeasance wrt preparation for these fires, and if there was, plans must be in place for those issues to be addressed.

I'm not saying there was misconduct, but if there were choices made that allowed the damages to be worse than they would have been otherwise, those 'codes' should be addressed.

ETA - this is not to be confused with immediate aid needed to help people in distress. They should (and are, it looks like) be willing to dump huge sums into the aid bucket to make sure the displaced people have their needs met.
 
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My SIL just came into the highest hazard zone, with the wind due to pick back up and changing direction towards her. However, my wife is the only source of information, since her sister only reads and views right wing stuff. All she does, rather than getting ready to help herself, is rage about the Democrats in LA causing all this...
 
I don't know what the answer is but this country speeding toward being uninsurable with what happens on the West Coast and in the Gulf. I don't understand why the insurance companies are not begging for climate reform legislation, their extinction is imminent without it.
 
My SIL just came into the highest hazard zone, with the wind due to pick back up and changing direction towards her. However, my wife is the only source of information, since her sister only reads and views right wing stuff. All she does, rather than getting ready to help herself, is rage about the Democrats in LA causing all this...
Unfortunately, that is the playbook that Fox and trump continue to promote. :(
 
The new Kenneth Fire
The county fire marshall says they have a record amount of water on hand and the impoundment is a right-wing rumor. He said that the problem was that the water system, fire hydrants, lines, etc. are inadequate to deliver enough water for six major fires simultaneously. IDK what municipality or mayor she's talking about or if it's even true (I doubt it - most brush is not on public lands, it's private landowners who want it), but IDK what the governor's resigning would do to help her. It's a matter of folks not liking his politics and seizing on this as an excuse...
Having a record amount of water is not the same as having enough water. SoCal -- where I lived for six years and still consider, all things being equal, my favorite place on earth -- has massively underinvested in water retention infrastructure, and I think it is beyond reasonable dispute that the reasons are a combination of environmental activism, NIMBY-ism, and a preference for spending public money on other things. Politicians should be held accountable for such decisions, though the ultimate blame lies with the electorate...
 
I don't understand why the insurance companies are not begging for climate reform legislation, their extinction is imminent without it.
These insurance companies are profitable because they aren't run by stupid people. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. If they thought CC reform would help them, they would already be backing it. Either they know something we don't or people much smarter than myself have examined the probabilities and decided on a different direction. (Pulling out of high-risk areas.) Yes, on its surface, this sounds crappy, but it's also the reason our homeowner's premiums aren't twice what they are now. You might be okay with it, but there are a lot of Americans who will balk at subsidizing other people's ability to knowingly live in high risk areas.
 
On Wednesday, Alex Jones posted to X a live stream of his conspiracy-based program and captioned it, “DESTROYED BY DESIGN: Los Angeles Fires Are Part Of A Larger Globalist Plot To Wage Economic Warfare & Deindustrialize The Untied States Before Triggering Total Collapse.”

Jones begins the clip by saying that if you look at what’s happening in LA right now, its “not mismanagement but perfect administrative, economic, industrial sabotage, this is murder” by the “design” of the globalists.

Musk replied to Jones’s tweet and wrote, “True.” On Wednesday night, Jones celebrated Musk agreeing with him and released yet another video.
Once a jerk, always a jerk!
 
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My boss' daughter had to relocate. The fire stopped just outside her neighborhood but for safety she and her family are in a hotel. Now I wonder if her insurance would reimburse her for th hotel stay. There (so far) has been no damage to her house.
 
My SIL is in "moderate risk" now, but still under "red flag warning," because of wind, temps, humidity, etc. There is a new fire about 15 miles away, named "Auto Fire." It was 5-8 acres last night; 56 this AM. She found and DLed an app which is pretty good - Frontline Wildfire. I got it also. It's quite detailed...
 
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Anytime something like this happens, there's always quite a bit of commentary on who to blame......or why more steps weren't taken in anticipation of such an event, etc. etc.....

Same with the New Orleans terrorist attack.

My opinion is public officials should be held accountable to some degree.

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In our area.....two tears ago we had two hurricanes that created a lot of flood damage as well as beach erosion. Many homes were lost and/or damaged.

Not one public official took accountability.

It took the property owners and citizens to demand a halt to future development until we could get things done to better handle storm water during events like that.

The City of Edgewater did:

The County is considering it and will discuss on the 14th:

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Will be interesting to see how the property owners and citizens of California react to this event in terms of change.

I heard a report today that whatever the insurance companies can't fund....will ultimately come from the entire state's property owners.
And there's the rub. Will that actually happen? I'm betting not.

And there's some merit to the idea of not rebuilding. Frankly, I wouldn't live in CA in the first place (for reasons that have nothing to do with inept forestry/firefighting services.) But I left the Gulf Coast because hurricanes were proving to be a pain in my ass and I knew sooner or later, I'd be better off getting out while I could. Perhaps it's time for Californians in this area to consider doing the same.
I agree, but many people must have someone to blame. People would complain if public officials used taxpayer money to prepare for something that has very little chance of happening, but then the same people complain if everything possible was not done to prevent a force of nature. It's crazy. This is a tragedy like the hurricane caused flooding in the fall, but natural forces cannot be completely controlled. With that being said, if it is proven to be arson, that person should be punished to the full extent of the law.
 
I wonder if it's just human nature for people to think that, because someone's property has been ruined/burned, they can just go pick through the debris.

I mean, the common thought is that these are all just thugs, criminals.

But I look back to when the house across the street from me burned when I was in high school. I remember being curious the next day, and walked across the street. There were several cars there, and people walking out of the house with guns, cameras, etc. I just thought it was family.

It turned out that these were just opportunists. Looters. But they didn't look any different than the people who lived in my neighborhood.
 
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