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My late father in law (he passed in April at age 92) was recruited by John Vaught at Ole Miss and played freshman football for him before transferring to Delta State to his finish academic and athletic career. He later attended medical school at the University of Mississippi.

I have to think he’s in heaven this morning with a little grin on his face. 😉
 
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RammerJammer14 said:
For two guys who are supposedly offensive geniuses, our offense sure is weak. I think this season had some of the lowest offensive output at Alabama in decades, if not ever. Having zero, and I mean zero, running game is frankly inexcusable. And my concern is that this is a scheme thing that our HC is wedded to.

I’m whichgiving up on DeBoer yet. He is still relatively young as a coach and there is a learning cu, especially when we are obviously struggling. Even Golding was in his face yesterday when they gave up points. Have we ever seen him get in Womack's year, like penalties. But I am becominT increasingly concerned. This staff has a bad habit of getting absolutely blown out and dominated- not even competitive in games that we lose. And we can’t put anyone but G5 level teams away. The first Oklahoma game was our only competitive loss. The other 3 were complete domination basically from the opening drives. And I think that is a coaching issue.

These dudes better figure it out quick, they got about one more season of tolerating this mediocrity. Heck, Pete Golding is looking better than this bunch right now. And we better get some better position coaches and do some serious player analysis in the next few weeks. I’m a big fan of continuity, but continuity of subpar ability, effort and fit is still subpar. And I’m done hearing the excuse that we just don’t have the right personnel. It’s unlimited free agency. Teams are wholesale changing out 30-50 guys a year. Indiana and Vandy were bottom dwelling trash and completely turned their programs around in a single season, and sustained it the next season or did better. If we can’t get a handful of O and D linemen that “fit,” then we aren’t doing something right. There is no more leash.
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Agree with all that..I have little faith and trust now in Deboer being the guy. The nail in the coffin for me was the call to go for it down only 3 at our 34 yesterday...that was nonsense..it told our team that he had no confidence we could stop them and the failure then compounded a poor decision. He put the team in a situation to fail, that is poor coaching. His demeanor is cool and calm when it needs to be more expressive when we are obviously struggling...even Golding was in the face of his defense yesterday when they gave up points...have we ever seen him get in Womacks face? Or Grubbs? Or in a players? that attitude permiates the team....and we mirror it on the field too much.
 
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RammerJammer14 said:
For two guys who are supposedly offensive geniuses, our offense sure is weak. I think this season had some of the lowest offensive output at Alabama in decades, if not ever. Having zero, and I mean zero, running game is frankly inexcusable. And my concern is that this is a scheme thing that our HC is wedded to.

I’m not giving up on DeBoer yet. He is still relatively young as a coach and there is a learning curve in the SEC. And I think next season will be his first time coaching somewhere for 3yrs for the first time in years. We did improve in some areas this year, like penalties. But I am becoming increasingly concerned. This staff has a bad habit of getting absolutely blown out and dominated- not even competitive in games that we lose. And we can’t put anyone but G5 level teams away. The first Oklahoma game was our only competitive loss. The other 3 were complete domination basically from the opening drives. And I think that is a coaching issue.

These dudes better figure it out quick, they got about one more season of tolerating this mediocrity. Heck, Pete Golding is looking better than this bunch right now. And we better get some better position coaches and do some serious player analysis in the next few weeks. I’m a big fan of continuity, but continuity of subpar ability, effort and fit is still subpar. And I’m done hearing the excuse that we just don’t have the right personnel. It’s unlimited free agency. Teams are wholesale changing out 30-50 guys a year. Indiana and Vandy were bottom dwelling trash and completely turned their programs around in a single season, and sustained it the next season or did better. If we can’t get a handful of O and D linemen that “fit,” then we aren’t doing something right. There is no more leash.
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We scored 441 points in 15 games (29.4 ppg)

Last year was 437 points in 13 games (33.6 ppg)

CNS’s final year was 474 points in 14 games (33.9 ppg)

I had to go back to 2008 to find a season with a lower Points total for the season at 414 points in 14 games.

That was McElwain’s 1st year with JPW as the QB.
 
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To reiterate how bad the rushing was:

Total season:
466 carries for 1562 yards and 21 TD's

Remove ULM and Eastern Illinois, in which were:
ULM - 36 for 212 and 3 TDs
EIU - 49 for 269 and 8 TDs

Rest of season:
381 for 1081 and 10 TDs......average of 2.8 ypc.

Other teams with 2.8 ypc:
UMass
Troy
California
Charlotte - 2.7
New Mexico State - 2.6
Stanford - 2.6 (they beat FSU too)

As far as SEC rushing:
Without those inflated ULM and EIU stats, we are dead last in yards per game. With those stats, we were 104.1.....just ahead of last place LSU at 104.0.

Remove the 11 TDs from those two games and we finish tied with Florida and LSU for least rushing TDs in the league at 10.

Remove those two games and we are dead last in yards per carry.

Yes, I know the other teams would have a skew in their stats from creampuff games as well.....but that EIU game skewed ours more.

Auburn had 560 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
MSU had 378 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
Kentucky had 108 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
Florida had 79 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
The team is too inconsistent and that is a reflection on the staff. We started off the season getting blown out and book ended it with an even bigger blow out. Then our coach wants to try and convince people afterwards how thin the line is between a win and a blowout. I guess he thinks all Bama fans are as dumb as the Finebaum callers.
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For his teams the line is that thin, because it's pass fail. Passing game works, or it doesn't. So it's always, well if the passing game just worked we could have won. Well, yeah but you want to be able to win under other circumstances.

I've harped on him a lot, but I was talking about him this time last year as a litmus test to whether or not Alabama used him properly. I think revisiting this also will contrast the whole, DeBoer needs to change vs. "needs better fit" arguments.

Justice Haynes in 2024 at Alabama averaged 37 yards per game (just a tiny bit less than Miller this year) on an average of 5.7 per carry.
In 2025 for Michigan he averaged 122 yards per game on an average of 7.1

Now, some people will say it's a fit issue. He's a power back, DeBoer doesn't do that (what precisely does his run game do?) and you know, Alabama's offensive linemen are too big for DeBoer anyway.

Well, looking at results again.
Against Oklahoma in 2025 Alabama ran for 74 and 2.6 then 28 and 1.1 in their two meetings
Against Oklahoma in 2025 Haynes rushed for 125 and 6.6
This means in in one game against Oklahoma, Haynes outdid Alabama's entire running game against them in two games!

But wait, there's more!
Against Wisconsin in 2025 Alabama ran for 72 yards and 3.3 average.
Against Wisconsin in 2025 Haynes ran for 117 yards and 6.2 average.

This is a guy Alabama had, and barely used because "fit". If they'd upgraded the offensive line, kept Haynes and used Haynes, he's the solution to the entire problem! But it's not the system, it's not what he wants to do, and therein lies the problem.
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
We scored 441 points in 15 games (29.4 ppg)

Last year was 437 points in 13 games (33.6 ppg)

CNS’s final year was 474 points in 14 games (33.9 ppg)

I had to go back to 2008 to find a season with a lower Points total for the season at 414 points in 14 games.

That was McElwain’s 1st year with JPW as the QB.
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That falls directly on the lack of running game and the coaching philosophy of relying so heavily on QB play.

DeBoer had a running game at Washington.....so what's going on here. Not a traditional run game, mind you, but it at least took some pressure off Penix.
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
We scored 441 points in 15 games (29.4 ppg)

Last year was 437 points in 13 games (33.6 ppg)

CNS’s final year was 474 points in 14 games (33.9 ppg)

I had to go back to 2008 to find a season with a lower Points total for the season at 414 points in 14 games.

That was McElwain’s 1st year with JPW as the QB.
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And that was a much better team than this one, with a good running game.
 
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Cruloc said:
To reiterate how bad the rushing was:

Total season:
466 carries for 1562 yards and 21 TD's

Remove ULM and Eastern Illinois, in which were:
ULM - 36 for 212 and 3 TDs
EIU - 49 for 269 and 8 TDs

Rest of season:
381 for 1081 and 10 TDs......average of 2.8 ypc.

Other teams with 2.8 ypc:
UMass
Troy
California
Charlotte - 2.7
New Mexico State - 2.6
Stanford - 2.6 (they beat FSU too)

As far as SEC rushing:
Without those inflated ULM and EIU stats, we are dead last in yards per game. With those stats, we were 104.1.....just ahead of last place LSU at 104.0.

Remove the 11 TDs from those two games and we finish tied with Florida and LSU for least rushing TDs in the league at 10.

Remove those two games and we are dead last in yards per carry.

Yes, I know the other teams would have a skew in their stats from creampuff games as well.....but that EIU game skewed ours more.

Auburn had 560 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
MSU had 378 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
Kentucky had 108 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
Florida had 79 more total rushing yards in 3 less games.
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Thank you for putting the details together how inept we are running the ball...it puts it in perspective....and this is a complete embarrassment for the OC/OL and the HC
 
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Cruloc said:
That falls directly on the lack of running game and the coaching philosophy of relying so heavily on QB play.

DeBoer had a running game at Washington.....so what's going on here. Not a traditional run game, mind you, but it at least took some pressure off Penix.
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It wasn't a real running game, it was smoke and mirrors. Same ratios, same over-reliance on the QB. It failed as well, one game they had 13 yards rushing against a 3 win team they barely beat. Second leading rusher was a wide receiver, same basic stuff we're seeing now, just against west coast defenses.

People seem to think that Washington offense was a lot better than it was. It was basically Penix and receivers, a lot of close wins.
 
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Here's another stat no one will like. Number of total pass attempts on the season.

1. FAU - 582
2. Delaware - 540 (more overall passing yards than Hawaii)
3. Hawaii - 540
4. Alabama - 523
5. Baylor - 511
6. Arkansas State - 509
7. App State - 508
8. California - 506
Tie - Duke - 506
9. MTSU - 500

SEC passing attempts:
1. Alabama - 523
2. Ole Miss - 484
 
KrAzY3 said:
It wasn't a real running game, it was smoke and mirrors. Same ratios, same over-reliance on the QB. It failed as well, one game they had 13 yards rushing against a 3 win team they barely beat. Second leading rusher was a wide receiver, same basic stuff we're seeing now, just against west coast defenses.

People seem to think that Washington offense was a lot better than it was. It was basically Penix and receivers, a lot of close wins.
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To reiterate what you said with stats:
2023 Washington

15 games
rushing - 411 for 1776 and 28 TDs

at USC that year they exploded with balance, scored 52....won by 10.
Penix threw for 256
Johnson ran for 256

Rematch with Oregon...won 34-31....very balanced in pass and run attempts
Penix threw for 319
Johnson ran for 152

Texas took the run away mostly, but Penix was on....no picks and 430 yards.

Michigan took the run away and put everything on Penix.....he threw 2 picks and 255 yards.

Also of note:
Pass attempts for Washington in 2023 - 574 for 5155
Rush attempts 411 for 1776
 
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Slowpoke Catracho said:
This may still be unpopular, but I think we should have seen Mack or Russell playing in the last 3 or 4 games with Ty hurt. At least some packages during the game. I get loyalty, but Ty was obviously hurt. If you go back, he was bailing out of the pocket way too soon last night on several plays.
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i thought they should have pulled ty during the oklahoma game. whatever was going on, injury wise, he had become a liability with all of his turnovers, and he couldn't throw the ball more than 10-15 yards

if you have a one-dimensional offense, you at least need that dimension to function.
 
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If DeBoer doesn’t change his mentality we are cooked until he’s gone. We have to get to 2nd and five and 3 and two and run the ball. We have former players begging him to change and he’s not. He’s a passive person, and I’m sure the players love him but not in a I’ll die in the field type of way.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
If Courtney Morgan was allowed to say that to a group of REC boosters we've got an idiot running the program. The GM shouldn't step foot in front of the REC to speak, it needs to be the HC representing the organization.
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If this was his way of attempting to gin up more NIL commitments from boosters, it certainly isn’t the best way to go about it..
 
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