CNS said in his presser today that he is not naming a starting QB. Means to me both will play at Peen St.
Poll: Will we continue to play two QB's next week.
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He said that he is not naming a stater "Today" and coach usually means what he says.........so that says nothing about any other days this week. I believe he will name a starter before the game, and the other will
play a smaller role.
Two QB systems usually fail because the kids are competing against each other and the opponent. to often when one graduates or gets hurt, the other goes on to bigger, better stats. AJ will be the starter and Philip will be a ready backup. Philip will get his opportunity one day, and make the best of it!
I hope Philip plays a lot in this game, but only because of the score.
I hope Philip plays a lot in this game, but only because of the score.
All I can say is God I hope not just put AJ in there and lets take our chances with the kid he looked miles ahead of PS which to me watching him on the sidelines looked like a caged animal... Way too nervous (which I understand) but going into what is surely going to be a white-out is surely going to be alot more ramped up than playing in the friendly confines of BDS....
AJ has been to the rough places seen the crowd heard the noise and watched a surgeon direct the offense through it all... I just don't think PS is ready where AJ looks calm cool and collected.. JMHO
I don't claim to be an expert but I truly believe the ONLY reason CNS has not came out and said AJ is our guy is he wants to keep the competiton level up and push AJ make him better. Watching CNS through the years not only here but everywhere he has coached that is his style he likes to creat competition at every level which is why he refuses or hates a depth chart. IMO
AJ has been to the rough places seen the crowd heard the noise and watched a surgeon direct the offense through it all... I just don't think PS is ready where AJ looks calm cool and collected.. JMHO
I don't claim to be an expert but I truly believe the ONLY reason CNS has not came out and said AJ is our guy is he wants to keep the competiton level up and push AJ make him better. Watching CNS through the years not only here but everywhere he has coached that is his style he likes to creat competition at every level which is why he refuses or hates a depth chart. IMO
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Spot on assessment. I never looked at it that way, but it immediately rings true with Quarterbacks. It could have a good impact on other positions like RB's, but not for the field General.
Does anyone else think that our coaching staff is going to drag this QB thing out for an extended period of time? I'm starting to feel that way. Here's why:
- CNS has said on multiple occassions that we feel like we have two good players, and that both could have a role on this team
- Depth behind McCarron and Sims is very scarce
- The staff is morbidly afraid of one or the other transferring if a definitive starter is named
- Our defense appears to be so good that it might not matter who lines up back there, anyway
I hope I'm wrong, but it wouldn't shock me to see the "every three series" method of substitution at the QB position this weekend and continuing into conference play.
- CNS has said on multiple occassions that we feel like we have two good players, and that both could have a role on this team
- Depth behind McCarron and Sims is very scarce
- The staff is morbidly afraid of one or the other transferring if a definitive starter is named
- Our defense appears to be so good that it might not matter who lines up back there, anyway
I hope I'm wrong, but it wouldn't shock me to see the "every three series" method of substitution at the QB position this weekend and continuing into conference play.
IMO, a lot of the motivation for Coach's comments is definitely so that the "loser" of the battle doesn't high-tail it out of town. If he did, we'd be down to walk-on's and a true freshman at QB. Not exactly a recipe for success.
However, I don't think we will continue the "three series" thing in the big games. If one QB is doing well, I doubt Coach will yank him and put the other in because three series have passed. I do think that both will still get meaningful game time, just not in the sense that it's structured for a certain amount of plays.
I believe this had to do with it but we are over the hump. If one is named the starter after the N. Texas game, odds are neither would transfer because he is in for this season. He would have to sit out next year if he left now or after the season. With that in mind, the player would have to weigh that little gain for leaving now against a possibility of becoming the starter for whatever reason on a top 5 team later in the year(injury). If one leaves, it would be after the season. Then we are in a much better position than before the season due to ELY, a very strong prospect, having another year in the system. So next year if one transfers, we have this years starter, ELY (four star RS) and a most probable highly rated freshman coming in. WE would be in a better position next year. Nick did it!
AJ was rolling and then got yanked. There is NO WAY coach does that in a meaningful game. It makes ZERO sense. It clearly threw off the timing with the OL and the receivers when the switch occured. When AJ got back in it was off. No matter how much coach speak is used to deflect the obvious the obvious problems with a two-headed system are very real. If AJ is clicking against PSU I think the rotation goes right out the window until CNS feels comfortable with the lead. Coversely, if AJ is sucking eggs PS will get the call.
After all the work PS has put in over the last 2 years, I would hate to see him get benched permanently because he wasn't as sharp as AJ was in his very first D1 game action. We have already discussed ad nauseum that our OL was at times pushed around by the Kent St. DLine, which definitely had an impact on the QB performance.
Granted, Philip was slow to get the ball out to his receivers due mostly to not anticipating his WR's route very well, the lack of time in the pocket, and/or just plain nerves. He must improve in that area, and honestly I think he will if given more opportunities.
Folks have also mentioned how the rhythm of the offense has a lot to do with the QB and that when Sims came in for his first 3 series, the offense looked out of sync. Just playing devil's advocate, I wonder what would happen if PS played the first 3 series, got into a rhythm, and then AJ came in. Would we have seen the same issues with offensive timing and rhythm? I think we would have.
I guess what I'm saying in a long-winded way is that we haven't seen enough of PS to make the call yet, they have not been given equal opportunities to prove themselves on the field during a game, and until such a time as that occurs, I don't think a judgement should be made.
What I would like to see is for PS to get the start against Penn St. and have his crack at being out there first and running the team to see how he does. If he can't get the job done after the first 3 series, and AJ comes in and does get the job done, well, then, we'll have our QB.
Granted, Philip was slow to get the ball out to his receivers due mostly to not anticipating his WR's route very well, the lack of time in the pocket, and/or just plain nerves. He must improve in that area, and honestly I think he will if given more opportunities.
Folks have also mentioned how the rhythm of the offense has a lot to do with the QB and that when Sims came in for his first 3 series, the offense looked out of sync. Just playing devil's advocate, I wonder what would happen if PS played the first 3 series, got into a rhythm, and then AJ came in. Would we have seen the same issues with offensive timing and rhythm? I think we would have.
I guess what I'm saying in a long-winded way is that we haven't seen enough of PS to make the call yet, they have not been given equal opportunities to prove themselves on the field during a game, and until such a time as that occurs, I don't think a judgement should be made.
What I would like to see is for PS to get the start against Penn St. and have his crack at being out there first and running the team to see how he does. If he can't get the job done after the first 3 series, and AJ comes in and does get the job done, well, then, we'll have our QB.
IMO... Sims looks better in the A-Day game .... then AJ looks better in the first game vs. Cream Puff State and everyone is ready to crown him the starter? is it not obvious that even the staff cant tell enough difference to name a starter? IMO they will split time until SEC play starts... we will know by the ARK game who the "starter" will be going forward
BTW i just have to wonder what everyone would say if Sims had started and done well while AJ had to sit on the bench and watch the first 3 series then had to come in and try to get in a rhythm... i find it interesting that AJ always gets to go first and PS has to wait his turn, but it's supposed to be an even QB battle with even opportunity right? right? So maybe they let PS start the N TX game to let him have a shot at "starting" a game to see how he responds...
just my .02
BTW i just have to wonder what everyone would say if Sims had started and done well while AJ had to sit on the bench and watch the first 3 series then had to come in and try to get in a rhythm... i find it interesting that AJ always gets to go first and PS has to wait his turn, but it's supposed to be an even QB battle with even opportunity right? right? So maybe they let PS start the N TX game to let him have a shot at "starting" a game to see how he responds...
just my .02
examine your logic, If AJ only looked good against Kent State because they were a cream puff, how do you excuse Sims looking awful against them? And A day was a push at best for anyone who watched the entire game and knew what they were watching. Stats almost the same and Sims ended the game with the first team O, both players played best with that offense and struggled with the backups.
When the second quarter began:
1st series Vlachos get abused by #5 (Nix) on a play action and gets Sims killed (as soon as he fakes the hand off and turns he gets pummelled)
2nd series Fluker gets beat by a slow white guy, never really touches and the kid hurries Sims and forces a fumble.
3rd and 4th series O Line doesnt recognize any stunts and Sims is getting killed as soons as he throws
So to answer, for a freshman quarterback, playing in his first game having to worry whether a 3 year starter (Vlachos) or a 2 year starter (Fluker) can handle their players (from Kent State) one on one is flat out sad. And to watch our film of several years of being unable to recognize a stunt and as a first time QB seeing your own unit do the same I would be rattled too. I think after the coaches watch the film Sims won't grade so badly. Did make a bad throw or two but his offensive line played a lot worse than he did. Instead of bickering who should be starting qb or who should be how many series, I think the better question is when will they decide on an offensive line and teach them how to block the man in front of them and maybe later in the year see if we can begin to teach them how to recognize and possible pick up a blitz.
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The only thing that seperated Sims and AJ was that it seemed AJ was quicker to pull the trigger than Sims. Dont think I have ever said this about a new QB but Sims was just not playing fast, Usually a Freshamn Qb will be throwing to soon and over the head of a WR. Sims seemd like he didn't want to make a mistake which lead to him hold the ball a sec to long.
Another question I have is Why does everyone assume Sims transfers at the end of the year? I see the point that he might start somewhere else but If he can't beat AJ out right this year it doesnt mean he will not next year.
Another question I have is Why does everyone assume Sims transfers at the end of the year? I see the point that he might start somewhere else but If he can't beat AJ out right this year it doesnt mean he will not next year.
Yeah, I was saying that I doubt Coach will do that in the big games (ie: this weekend). He only did it against Kent State because he knew we could get away with it.
Honestly it seems as CNS treated that game as another A-Day knowing we were not going to allow them to hang around with us and he also knows are defense will stop many teams in their tracks. I really don't expect to see a 3 series rotation this week-end it does not work and it messed with the flow of our game something we cannot have in Beaver Stadium.
If one quarterback separates and has a successful season and the other does decide to transfer after the season, the ramifications that it brings would pale in comparison to it having happened before this season. It's the difference between having a redshirt freshman ELY as a backup with a HS recruit behind him or having a raw unprepared HS Freshman ELY without a serious QB recruit at third string. Star Jackson's bust and transfer along with the Nick Fanuzi transfer, who would have been a senior, left us with three QB's on scholarship in a five recruiting classes. IMO, the quarterback competition was architected in such as way as to decrease the chance that either would leave. The word before spring was that both quarterbacks would not be satisfied as second string along with comments in the paper from one, and comments from the others parent that he and his son were expecting to take over the team.
Edit: I have not seen more than one posts taking about them leaving next year.
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