QB Competition 2018

[BamaMoon]

Again, not knocking him, just making it clear that he is far, far from a slam dunk answer.

Well, if Jalen plays great (again, assuming things are OK on the "team") none of this matters. It only matters if Jalen struggles against Clemson.

 

[Mystical]

To be sure I have a dog in this fight. I have a dog but I am not team Jalen or Team Tua. I am Team Alabama!!!! When Tua plays I hope he is so good they try to get an exception so he can go straight to the league. I just believe right now with the proper play calling Jalen will win it all for us this year. Next year is next year.

 

[CrimsonProf]

Was this the same guy who won the offensive player of the year award for the SEC? Let's not start pretending that he sucks.

Jalen had a great freshman season but let's not pretend the other options for that award were Peyton Manning and Cam Newton.


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[mlh]

I have not seen anyone bashing Tua. As for the bolded - not about choking, but did you watch the spring game? The second half - that is the only time that we have seen him play with your first string offense against a good defense. He played much more poorly then than Jalen has at any time this year. Small sample size, but let's not pretend that it doesn't exist.

Really? The Spring Game? Are you kidding me? As BamaMoon said, that was a long time ago. Since then he's had a ton of practice and the equivalent of 3 full games of experience. That's not a fair judgement. And, since then, what has he done to make you think he would not play well against a strong defense?

As a case in point, remember how poorly Blake Sims played in the spring game before his senior year?

 

[ROTYDE]

This thread is hilarious. The longer it gets, the further each side gets to defending their preferred QB.

Without comparing Jalen to Tua, let me say this. From reading this thread you'd think Tua was reckless with the ball and had a bunch of turnovers. But you know what? He has one. That's right, ONE interception this season. Same as Jalen (oops! I said I wouldn't make comparisons to Jalen). True, it was a pick 6. But, you know what he did after that? He came back and threw an absolute strike to Juedy for a TD. This was on a play where the pocket broke down and he scrambled out of trouble, kept his eyes downfield, and hit Juedy at full stride, right in the numbers. It was a beautiful play. So he wasn't too flustered by his previous INT.

In that game he also scored on a TD run of about 30 yards where he juked one defender and ran over another to get into the endzone. I think he also threw another TD, but I may be wrong on that.

Against Vandy he had another play where he avoided the rush, then found an open receiver for a TD. It was a pretty spectacular play.

Against Mercer he threw 2 absolutely perfect fade routes for TDs. One over the inside shoulder. One over the outside shoulder. Both where only our receiver had a chance to catch the ball.

He had another game where he moved around in the pocket (didn't tuck it and run) and kept his eyes downfield until he found a wide open TE in the back of the endzone for a TD.

For the season, his stats are the following:
Att: 53
Comp: 35
%: 66
Yds: 470
INT: 1
TD: 8
Rating: 186.6

So where is all the concern over protecting the ball? He had 1 INT vs 8 TDs. I'd take that any day.

The main issues seems to be that "we don't know how he would do when the game was on the line." So far he's only played when the game was already decided. Yeah. He's never been put in that position. Be we also don't know that he would NOT do well when the game was on the line. I haven't seen anything to make me think he would choke under pressure or against a really good defense. But that's just me.

I have a feeling that he would perform good under pressure. Not sure why, it is just a feeling I got while watching him when he was pressured in the few games he played.

 

[JTBama]

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I have a feeling that he would perform good under pressure. Not sure why, it is just a feeling I got while watching him when he was pressured in the few games he played.

I agree and I would call spinning around in the pocket with a defender bearing down on him and firing a split second on strike TD in step in the end zone pretty good under pressure. But, that's just me

 

[KrAzY3]

We totally disagree here... the numbers also don't support it. As I've pointed out earlier in the thread, the "1992 Jay Barker" wouldn't have been called "an above average QB" because he didn't lose a game that year.

Jay Barker was a good college quarterback and a Heisman trophy candidate. Just because someone isn't a stellar NFL talent does not mean it's fair to revise history to make him into some incompetent buffoon. Jay Barker spent years on an NFL roster. In fact, I felt like Jay Barker was the best quarterback Alabama had for a fairly long stretch of time. Some people's standards are absurd, if Heisman candidate and making an NFL roster isn't above average. No wonder some people spend so much time complaining...

That's the annoying part of all of this, a complete lack of ability to acknowledge what some people have done. Winning, quality college quarterbacks are not that easy to find. Simply because they are limited in their capacity does not mean they were not good quarterbacks.

Edit: I'd say in some ways comparisons between Hurts and Barker would be valid. The big difference is I'd argue that's not a bad thing. If Hurts can get his head right, his best games are still ahead of him.

 

[TiderJack]

Well, if Jalen plays great (again, assuming things are OK on the "team") none of this matters. It only matters if Jalen struggles against Clemson.

Where is all the inner turmoil on the team coming from? Unnamed sources? I understand some of you don't think Jalen can do the job but I am hoping each and everyone of you wanting Tua will pull for Jalen hard because he will be starting against Clemson. Let's put winning ahead of personal agendas/beliefs at this point and get #17.

 

[LA4Bama]

This thread reminds me of the Thomas fire here in Cali. Every time you think it calms down, the hot air blows it back into a blaze. It's just gonna keep burning till New Years and you can't stop it.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Where is all the inner turmoil on the team coming from? Unnamed sources? I understand some of you don't think Jalen can do the job but I am hoping each and everyone of you wanting Tua will pull for Jalen hard because he will be starting against Clemson. Let's put winning ahead of personal agendas/beliefs at this point and get #17.

People here allude to the turmoil, and I trust their sources


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[JTBama]

Where is all the inner turmoil on the team coming from? Unnamed sources? I understand some of you don't think Jalen can do the job but I am hoping each and everyone of you wanting Tua will pull for Jalen hard because he will be starting against Clemson. Let's put winning ahead of personal agendas/beliefs at this point and get #17.

I seriously do not think one person in this board is putting any agenda before the team.A discussion is not an agenda, just because people share difference of opinions doesn't indicate or allude to not supporting the team. I think you would be hard pressed to find any Bama fan that would say "Man we won with Jalen...Darn it". The title is about qb competition and although next year is implied, it's hard to discuss that without mentioning current situations or scenarios or there would be no reason for the thread. The people talking about any issues are people on here I would trusyt,and I don't think they would put anything out there just for fun . I tend to listen when they are willing to share

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Where is all the inner turmoil on the team coming from? Unnamed sources? I understand some of you don't think Jalen can do the job but I am hoping each and everyone of you wanting Tua will pull for Jalen hard because he will be starting against Clemson. Let's put winning ahead of personal agendas/beliefs at this point and get #17.

Not unnamed sources and all is calm at the moment...

 

[BAMARICH]

Jay Barker was a good college quarterback and a Heisman trophy candidate. Just because someone isn't a stellar NFL talent does not mean it's fair to revise history to make him into some incompetent buffoon. Jay Barker spent years on an NFL roster. In fact, I felt like Jay Barker was the best quarterback Alabama had for a fairly long stretch of time. Some people's standards are absurd, if Heisman candidate and making an NFL roster isn't above average. No wonder some people spend so much time complaining...

That's the annoying part of all of this, a complete lack of ability to acknowledge what some people have done. Winning, quality college quarterbacks are not that easy to find. Simply because they are limited in their capacity does not mean they were not good quarterbacks.

We’re not talking about how good of a player Barker was in his CAREER. We’re talking about ONE year - 1992. You may not have seen him that year, but I did... and I can tell you we won that year because of our great defense and our running game - not Jay Barker. Two years later, it was obvious that the same could no longer be said - we won multiple games because of his fine work. But... let’s not pretend he was “an above average QB” in 1992 just because he was the starting QB on an undefeated team.

This is going to be a warning... if you keep insisting on people having some deep rooted mental issue or prejudice because they don’t see things your way, then your posting privileges will be revoked. You’ve done this multiple times now and it’s time to cease doing it.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

The debate is this:

A preternaturally calm guy, who won't turn the ball over under even the most adverse circumstances, and who is a lead-pipe cinch to win 10 games a year, and who is maybe the best running back on the team, and who will make your team a really tough out,

vs.

A guy who will make turnovers, and may not give you the best chance to run off a string of 10+ wins against inferior competition. But his passing ability gives you the best chance against a truly elite defense.

No perfect choices with way. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Who is better on balance?

I don't know. But if I'm paying a guy $8MM a yer to decide such things, and I can offer nothing he doesn't already know, I'm going with the rich guy.

 

[Mystical]

The debate is this:

A preternaturally calm guy, who won't turn the ball over under even the most adverse circumstances, and who is a lead-pipe cinch to won 10 games a year, and who is maybe the best running back on the team, and who will make your team a really tough out,

vs.

A guy who will make turnovers, and may not give you the best chance to run off a string of 10+ wins against inferior competition. But his passing ability gives you the best chance against a truly elite defense.

No perfect choices with way. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Who is better on balance?

I don't know. But if I'm paying a guy $8MM a yer to decide such things, and I can offer nothing he doesn't already know, I'm gong with the rich guy.

Coach Saban might not appreciate you docking his pay this year.

 

[Mystical]

Definitely agree that if Clemson or Oklahoma were to help us with either turnovers or injuries, we would beat them handily if we ourselves avoid them. In fact, that occurred back in 09 when Colt McCoy went down. GMac had terrible numbers in that game and we won decisively.

Is that you Mack Brown?

 

[LA4Bama]

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[GrayTide]

This thread reminds me of the Thomas fire here in Cali. Every time you think it calms down, the hot air blows it back into a blaze. It's just gonna keep burning till New Years and you can't stop it.

Great analogy, I just don't know what else can be said about our offense or Hurts or Tua. I am out.

 

[AlexanderFan]

The debate is this:

A preternaturally calm guy, who won't turn the ball over under even the most adverse circumstances, and who is a lead-pipe cinch to won 10 games a year, and who is maybe the best running back on the team, and who will make your team a really tough out,

vs.

A guy who will make turnovers, and may not give you the best chance to run off a string of 10+ wins against inferior competition. But his passing ability gives you the best chance against a truly elite defense.

No perfect choices with way. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Who is better on balance?

I don't know. But if I'm paying a guy $8MM a yer to decide such things, and I can offer nothing he doesn't already know, I'm gong with the rich guy.

You're already giving Tua turnovers. People are projecting Tua as a more athletic AJ McCarron. His turnovers weren't that bad.


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[CrimsonForce]

I agree with the overall point that we don't know how Tua will play against top competition, but aren't we making way too much out of one play ? How many posts (not just you) are we going to have about one bad play ?

I know this is a long thread but you kind of have to know what was being discussed in responses and not just take one sentence out of a post and come to a conclusion. I was actually complimenting Tua in the post you quoted. The premise was that with Tua you're going to get a QB who makes spectacular plays like the one against Vanderbilt and some not so great plays like the INT vs UT. Tua has the gunslinger mentality to take chances and that's what you're going to get. There's no way no avoid more turnovers with a QB like Tua. Brett Favre has thrown the most interceptions in NFL history - by over 100 INTs! To be clear I'm not comparing the skillset of Favre and Tua but more of the mindset of a QB who was supreme confidence in his arm and is willing to take chances. With QBs like that you get more positive plays and more negative plays. The coaches have to decide if that trade off is worth it..