Regarding Auburn and Chizik...

[Florida Tom]

That's basically what I was saying gw thanks for the other input.

Here is what I don't get, Why would any good coach want this job? If you just look back like gw said Bowden Tubbs & now Cheeze MUST keep Troopa & Luper, no choice.

API is a cheating culture! So unless Dye & the rest of the cant shoot straight game leaves, it is what they are. No coach alive could win under these conditions unless you BUY a superman. That is the only formula that works there. No coach with any pride or self respect would consider getting all the responbility & none of the authority to turn this mess around.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

That's basically what I was saying gw thanks for the other input.

Here is what I don't get, Why would any good coach want this job? If you just look back like gw said Bowden Tubbs & now Cheeze MUST keep Troopa & Luper, no choice.

API is a cheating culture! So unless Dye & the rest of the cant shoot straight game leaves, it is what they are. No coach alive could win under these conditions unless you BUY a superman. That is the only formula that works there. No coach with any pride or self respect would consider getting all the responbility & none of the authority to turn this mess around.

There's a sucker on every corner. I'm sure awbrin can and will hire a pretty decent to good mid-tier coach who will attempt to tackle that pile of garbage down there. They'll show signs of getting better but will top out real quick. There's not a coach in the country who can compete with Saban willing to take that pile of mess.

 

[LCN]

The number I have heard, not including all his assistants contracts, is around 7 million.

It's 9m+ when CSL & CBVG are added in . He's gone . There have been serious conversations with those who matter and the cash is already committed . TIFWIW , but just remember who it was that posted :bigear:'s was out 6 weeks before he was let go .....

 

[uaintn]

I don't know about the official contract buy outs, but in addition to that there will be money changing hands to keep people's mouths shut. Ask Tater Tot.

I don't know if Cheezits can go 0 for the SEC and keep his job. I would think he would force their hands if he manages to wet the bed against A&M or NMSU. UGA has the potential to put a lot of yards on their D and one of the two quality offensive players they had is lost for the season.

I will say that I don't think Lee County is big enough to hold both Dye and Petrino's egos. I don't like either of them, but I don't see Petrino being a yes man at a level Dye could stand. And he may have several offers the way things are going this year, why get back in the ring with LSU and UA if he can avoid it?

 

[BigEasyTider]

I think some of you guys have ingested so much crimson Kool-Aid that you're likely to explode.

Look, Auburn is by no means Alabama, and they are not a true powerhouse, but that's not a bad program by any stretch of the imagination. It's one of the top 15 or 20 programs country, and they've got everything you expect to go along with that, including a big fan base, fertile recruiting territory, some real booster money, good facilities, a couple of national titles, conference titles and Heismans, lots of players in the NFL, etc. This isn't Mississippi State, okay? And yes they have all of the stuff with Lowder and whatnot, but everywhere has some baggage that goes with it, 'Bama included. Just part of the job.

Now, just so we are clear, Auburn won't hit a home run hire by any stretch. Those types of hires are very rare any way (even for the Alabamas of the world), and they have never done anything close. Their track record has always been hiring younger coaches who are rising through the ranks, as opposed to a thoroughly established name. I imagine that is probably what they will do this time around, too.

Again, though, this isn't a desperate program that will have to go scraping the dumpster and hoping Curley Hallman will come out of retirement. They'll hire a decent coach, and in truth it will almost certainly be someone better than Chizik (of course, they couldn't find much worse than him).

They won't get all of these big names they are tossing around, like Gruden and Jimbo Fisher, but they could get someone like Petrino or Malzahn if they wanted. Odds are also pretty decent that they could land up-and-coming guys like Charlie Strong or James Franklin, too, maybe even a guy like Al Golden, or perhaps get a top coordinator like Kirby Smart (disgusting thought, I know). How about someone like Willie Taggert or Sonny Dykes? I think so, both are viable targets.

Houston Nutt ain't walking through that door, folks.

 

[Rama Jama]

I am not sure they will make a move unless they find a high profile coach willing to take the job. It is kind of like someone divorcing their spouse, you don't get rid a plan A unless plan B is already a sure thing. They were embarrassed last time because several coaches, even assistant coaches turn the job down 4 years ago and the PTB in Auburn don't want that again. They still have to get a coach who is still willing to look the other way and there will be few coaches willing to take a job with that much baggage. They know they can not compete with us as long as we have Saban and cheating is their only hope of competing.

 

[mittman]

I think some of you guys have ingested so much crimson Kool-Aid that you're likely to explode.

Look, Auburn is by no means Alabama, and they are not a true powerhouse, but that's not a bad program by any stretch of the imagination. It's one of the top 15 or 20 programs country, and they've got everything you expect to go along with that, including a big fan base, fertile recruiting territory, some real booster money, good facilities, a couple of national titles, conference titles and Heismans, lots of players in the NFL, etc. This isn't Mississippi State, okay? And yes they have all of the stuff with Lowder and whatnot, but everywhere has some baggage that goes with it, 'Bama included. Just part of the job.

Now, just so we are clear, Auburn won't hit a home run hire by any stretch. Those types of hires are very rare any way (even for the Alabamas of the world), and they have never done anything close. Their track record has always been hiring younger coaches who are rising through the ranks, as opposed to a thoroughly established name. I imagine that is probably what they will do this time around, too.

Again, though, this isn't a desperate program that will have to go scraping the dumpster and hoping Curley Hallman will come out of retirement. They'll hire a decent coach, and in truth it will almost certainly be someone better than Chizik (of course, they couldn't find much worse than him).

They won't get all of these big names they are tossing around, like Gruden and Jimbo Fisher, but they could get someone like Petrino or Malzahn if they wanted. Odds are also pretty decent that they could land up-and-coming guys like Charlie Strong or James Franklin, too, maybe even a guy like Al Golden, or perhaps get a top coordinator like Kirby Smart (disgusting thought, I know). How about someone like Willie Taggert or Sonny Dykes? I think so, both are viable targets.

Houston Nutt ain't walking through that door, folks.

Pretty close to my thinking as well. TPTB at Auburn have just as much heat on them now as the coaching staff. Letting Chizik go along with that buyout, and ponying up big enough bucks to hire even a Strong, Taggert or Dykes will require them to step back an at least appear to let the new coaching staff have their way. Whether that happens will go along way in determining what kind of coach they can attract.

I believe either there is going to be a culture change at Auburn after this fiasco for them to hire someone respectable, or they are going to have problems working their way back up. Mississippi State is actually getting a lot more serious than in decades past. They are spending on facilities and coaches, and have a good start. Arkansas is not going away, they are in a better position to make a good hire. Neither are not on the level of Auburn yet, but if Auburn blows this one, they very well may take Auburn's penciled in slot in the pecking order.

 

[TideWatcher]

Some Aub mentioned the Iowa St. pipeline for the replacement. Rhodes has favorability with some Aubs in high places.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

Not really worth its own thread, but still remarkable.

Gene Chizik has never had a team post a shutout with him as the head coach.

Not at Iowa State and not in nearly four years at Auburn.

The last Auburn team to post a shutout was Tubs' 2008 squad. It was the season opener against...

La Monroe.

:biggrin2:

 

[exiledNms]

Not really worth its own thread, but still remarkable.

Gene Chizik has never had a team post a shutout with him as the head coach.

Not at Iowa State and not in nearly four years at Auburn.

The last Auburn team to post a shutout was Tubs' 2008 squad. It was the season opener against...

La Monroe.

:biggrin2:

Wow! But, but,...Chees-Whiz is a defensive guru & all; how can this be true?

 

[sanjosecrimson]

Buying out Chizik and his coordinators would total about $9 million. They have enough wealthy donors to come up with the cash, but there is a larger issue. If they fire him after this season, not only are they firing a coach two years after a championship, but that will make 3 coaches in the past 20 years that they have fired after an undefeated season.

PR nightmares like that they just don't need.

poor auburn, once they realize that they can't keep up with the 'jones and smiths', their outlook in Life will be much better and healthier in the long run. unfortunetly, their fate has been sealed for belonging to the most powerful conference in the country. they are a perrenial 2nd tier team in the SEC. be happy with that achievement and move on... oh, one more thing , they also happened to shared the same home state with the best Football Program in the land. poor auburn.

 

[liquidvengeance]

It's 9m+ when CSL & CBVG are added in . He's gone . There have been serious conversations with those who matter and the cash is already committed . TIFWIW , but just remember who it was that posted :bigear:'s was out 6 weeks before he was let go .....

So who is the new guy?

 

[bama0610]

I think some of you guys have ingested so much crimson Kool-Aid that you're likely to explode.

They won't get all of these big names they are tossing around, like Gruden and Jimbo Fisher, but they could get someone like Petrino or Malzahn if they wanted. Odds are also pretty decent that they could land up-and-coming guys like Charlie Strong or James Franklin, too, maybe even a guy like Al Golden, or perhaps get a top coordinator like Kirby Smart (disgusting thought, I know). How about someone like Willie Taggert or Sonny Dykes? I think so, both are viable targets.

I'm not an insider to barn football by any means but I'm surprised we don't hear more people wanting Malzahn back as the head coach. The players are there for the system. And from what I remember the offense wasn't horrible before others got their hands on it last year. Then again, there might be too much bad blood between Malzahn and the PTB for that to ever happen.

 

[Rama Jama]

Auburn's problems are of their own making. They as a school and fan base see themselves as better than they actually are. Any coach who takes that job will never be able to live up to their unrealistic expectations. Fact. Auburn is a middle of the road program that occasionally has a good run. Fact. Auburn people think they are an elite program and that every coach in the country dreams of coaching there when in reality very few want the job. They will always be looking for a coach every 4 or five years because they will never be satisfied with who and what they are.

 

[UA All the Way]

I think some of you guys have ingested so much crimson Kool-Aid that you're likely to explode.

Look, Auburn is by no means Alabama, and they are not a true powerhouse, but that's not a bad program by any stretch of the imagination. It's one of the top 15 or 20 programs country, and they've got everything you expect to go along with that, including a big fan base, fertile recruiting territory, some real booster money, good facilities, a couple of national titles, conference titles and Heismans, lots of players in the NFL, etc. This isn't Mississippi State, okay? And yes they have all of the stuff with Lowder and whatnot, but everywhere has some baggage that goes with it, 'Bama included. Just part of the job.

Now, just so we are clear, Auburn won't hit a home run hire by any stretch. Those types of hires are very rare any way (even for the Alabamas of the world), and they have never done anything close. Their track record has always been hiring younger coaches who are rising through the ranks, as opposed to a thoroughly established name. I imagine that is probably what they will do this time around, too.

Again, though, this isn't a desperate program that will have to go scraping the dumpster and hoping Curley Hallman will come out of retirement. They'll hire a decent coach, and in truth it will almost certainly be someone better than Chizik (of course, they couldn't find much worse than him).

They won't get all of these big names they are tossing around, like Gruden and Jimbo Fisher, but they could get someone like Petrino or Malzahn if they wanted. Odds are also pretty decent that they could land up-and-coming guys like Charlie Strong or James Franklin, too, maybe even a guy like Al Golden, or perhaps get a top coordinator like Kirby Smart (disgusting thought, I know). How about someone like Willie Taggert or Sonny Dykes? I think so, both are viable targets.

Houston Nutt ain't walking through that door, folks.

If Auburn is such a great program (top 20) then why did they hire a 5-19 coach?

Let's remember the last coaching search. They fired a hugely successful coach and could only replace him with a 5-19 Chizik. What makes you think that things are so much better at Auburn that this time will be different? Auburn's program is in far worse shape now than when Tubberville left.

Also when has Auburn EVER hired a 'home run' or a great coach? They almost always hire up and comers.

 

[tidegrad92]

We all know "tiny tot" is back in FBS at Akron(?) and big brother is around some where so why not hire Bobby Bowden as figure head coach with his sons as OC and DC. What a story!

DT_gy: on TideFans.com:

 

[mikes12]

If Auburn is such a great program (top 20) then why did they hire a 5-19 coach?

Let's remember the last coaching search. They fired a hugely successful coach and could only replace him with a 5-19 Chizik. What makes you think that things are so much better at Auburn that this time will be different? Auburn's program is in far worse shape now than when Tubberville left.

Also when has Auburn EVER hired a 'home run' or a great coach? They almost always hire up and comers.

From an outsiders perspective, it's pretty easy to see, but I haven't heard one Auburn fan admit it.

 

[TideMan09]

If Auburn is such a great program (top 20) then why did they hire a 5-19 coach?

Let's remember the last coaching search. They fired a hugely successful coach and could only replace him with a 5-19 Chizik. What makes you think that things are so much better at Auburn that this time will be different? Auburn's program is in far worse shape now than when Tubberville left.

Also when has Auburn EVER hired a 'home run' or a great coach? They almost always hire up and comers.

And with the constant threat of the NCAA coming down on them with penalties..No good HC worth a dang will seriously consider becoming their HC..Until they completely cleans house & rid themselves of the "Good 'Ole Boys" that runs the program..Auburn will remain in the bad circumstances they're in..So lets hope Pat Dye & Company remains in control for a longggggg time..

 

[81usaf92]

I'm still scratching my head why they got rid of Tubberville. He was the most successful Auburn coach to date, had beaten us 8 out of 11 times (to include 6 in a row), and made 2, yes 2 cuz look at the players on 10, NC caliber teams. They fire him after one bad season come on who do they think they are.... Alabama?lol

to be honest unless they can get Patterson, Peterson, or Petrino they need to stick to cheezit cuz recruits will decommit, all other decent coaches are taken in this game, and Nick Saban is 2 hours away awaiting your prescense to beat the snot out of you.

 

[mittman]

I'm not an insider to barn football by any means but I'm surprised we don't hear more people wanting Malzahn back as the head coach. The players are there for the system. And from what I remember the offense wasn't horrible before others got their hands on it last year. Then again, there might be too much bad blood between Malzahn and the PTB for that to ever happen.

From what I hear there is a substantial trust hurdle to overcome for them to even get Malzahn to listen. Some think that it was just Chizik slowing his offense down, but the people I know that have a few more connections think it goes deeper. I think you hit the nail on the head with the bad blood. Who knows what is really true, but one thing is certain, he left for a reason, and it wasn't cuz a once in a lifetime opportunity opened up.