Saban signs multi-year extension w/Bama, shorthorns on suicide watch...

[Rama Jama]

Does FSU not have some Alums who might step up?

 

[Ldlane]

Not with the cash that Texas has.

Does FSU not have some Alums who might step up?

 

[crimsonaudio]

Not with the cash that Texas has.

Yah, again, endowments have no direct connection to athletic departments, but for perspective, the system-wide endowment for the University of Texas is some $18 billion - third highest in the US (behind only Harvard and Yale). There's simply an unbelievable amount of money to draw from, far more than any other public university (Michigan is the next highest public university on the list, @ $7.6 billion).

If it simply comes to money, no one can compete.

 

[CoastGhost]

If it simply comes to money, no one can compete.

Which supports my theory ... no sane human being would choose life in Lee County ($) over life in Austin ($$$$$$) ... even without the dollar signs ...

 

[Rama Jama]

I just don't see Jimbo as a good fit for UTw. He has pretty much always been in the southeast and it is a whole different animal in Texas. The media seems to think that UTw is the best job in the world, but that is only monetarily. It looks to me like Mack Brown did a pretty good job managing alums and donors who think they have an inherent right to interfere in the football program. There are more chiefs than indians there so to speak. Whoever the new Texas coach is will have to deal with more than just fielding a good team. Football coaches do not like to be politicians and that is what that job requires. I don't care how much the job pays, I can't see Jimbo wanting to deal with that kind of pressure. He will get a nice raise to 5 or 6 million if wins the BCSNC and will essentially have a job for life. Texas just ran off a coach who won a championship.

 

[JDCrimson]

I think Gus is a one trick pony. Once the league figures out how to defend his system(and they will), he'll be done in the SEC. But I do think his stock will never be higher and if UTw is his dream job, he'd be a fool not to take it. He will be in a league that plays zero defense and they all run varitaions of the spread for the most part. He'll be able to have more long term success there. In the SEC, he will have to change his offensive philosophy at some point, and I don't think he is capable of changing his entire system. He would have to recruit a different kind of player and it would take years to get the kind of personnel he needs to be successful. Plus we all know there is a low tolerance for down years in Boogville.

As for Fisher, I don't think he will take it because FSU will do everything they can to keep him and Florida is at least equal to Texas in terms of talent. He has no real roots there while Gus is a native Texan. Fisher would have to build a network while Gus is much more familiar with Texas since he once recruited there for Arky.

I think this is a dead on post. Gus would be a fool not to go after this job aggressively. He could easily go into that conference and dominate with his offense. His only real competition being OU but I think if he maintains his emphasis on heavy run he will dominate. If you go back and look, the only offensive philosophies to win a NC in the last decade has been either a Pro/I set or some version of a running spread. No passing spread team has won a NC to my recollection. He has to know that sooner rather than later that SEC defenses are going to catch up to his offense mainly because its a defense driven conference. The Big12 is built around flashy high scoring offenses similar to what most all TX HS already run. Gus could make double at UT anything that AU was willing to pay. Second, because of their over inflated egos they will tolerate mediocrity for far longer should that happen for him because they dont have any serious competition within the state on a year in year out basis. I can absolutely guarantee if he is a couple of years removed from this NC and he has some losses to Bama those Barner PTBs will be firing up the jets again.

Its a no-brainer on many fronts for Gus to take that job if offered...

 

[RTR91]

 

[quixoft]

Which supports my theory ... no sane human being would choose life in Lee County ($) over life in Austin ($$$$$$) ... even without the dollar signs ...

Austin is actually pretty cheap. Still lots of places with < $1 beer at happy hour which is important! No state income tax, low property tax, tons of jobs. Texas overall has a pretty good economy as it's a business friendly state(unlike say California) with a very cheap cost of living(unlike CA and the NE).

 

[graydogg85]

I think this is a dead on post. Gus would be a fool not to go after this job aggressively. He could easily go into that conference and dominate with his offense. His only real competition being OU but I think if he maintains his emphasis on heavy run he will dominate. If you go back and look, the only offensive philosophies to win a NC in the last decade has been either a Pro/I set or some version of a running spread. No passing spread team has won a NC to my recollection. He has to know that sooner rather than later that SEC defenses are going to catch up to his offense mainly because its a defense driven conference. The Big12 is built around flashy high scoring offenses similar to what most all TX HS already run. Gus could make double at UT anything that AU was willing to pay. Second, because of their over inflated egos they will tolerate mediocrity for far longer should that happen for him because they dont have any serious competition within the state on a year in year out basis. I can absolutely guarantee if he is a couple of years removed from this NC and he has some losses to Bama those Barner PTBs will be firing up the jets again.

Its a no-brainer on many fronts for Gus to take that job if offered...

Agree that it makes a lot of sense for Gus. I'm not sure that it's necessarily a home-run for Texas. I'm not knocking the guy - to take a 3-9 team and get them to the BCS title game in Year One is unbelievable. But the fact of the matter is that he has exactly two seasons of experience as a collegiate head coach, and a total of eight years in the college ranks. Nine seasons ago he was coaching high school ball. There's a lot to be said for career trajectory and upward mobility, but if I'm Texas I don't gamble on something that's not a sure thing if I don't have to. And I think at this point in his career Malzahn is far from a sure thing. I can think of another guy who had his team in the BCS title game extremely early in his head coaching career, and he's currently the head man at UT-San Antonio.

 

[Rama Jama]

Austin is actually pretty cheap. Still lots of places with < $1 beer at happy hour which is important! No state income tax, low property tax, tons of jobs. Texas overall has a pretty good economy as it's a business friendly state(unlike say California) with a very cheap cost of living(unlike CA and the NE).

Just FYI, property taxes in Alabama are by far the lowest in the nation. My son lives in Austin and his taxes are 5 times what mine are on a house worth 1/2 as much. We do have state income taxes though so it probably balances out.

Austin is a nice city though and you are right it is basically affordable. Love Iguana Grill on Lake Travis and Steiners Ranch is good.

 

[Ldlane]

The other thing that may happen is that they end up getting a mid-tier coach because of the way the Brown dismissal went down this past week.

 

[GrayTide]

Agree that it makes a lot of sense for Gus. I'm not sure that it's necessarily a home-run for Texas. I'm not knocking the guy - to take a 3-9 team and get them to the BCS title game in Year One is unbelievable. But the fact of the matter is that he has exactly two seasons of experience as a collegiate head coach, and a total of eight years in the college ranks. Nine seasons ago he was coaching high school ball. There's a lot to be said for career trajectory and upward mobility, but if I'm Texas I don't gamble on something that's not a sure thing if I don't have to. And I think at this point in his career Malzahn is far from a sure thing. I can think of another guy who had his team in the BCS title game extremely early in his head coaching career, and he's currently the head man at UT-San Antonio.

I tend to agree with this, 2 years as a HC, albeit one of those has been exceptional, does not make a career. I don't necessarily agree that he is a one hit wonder, but he would certainly fare better in the Big XII over the long haul.

 

[Crimson1967]

Yah, again, endowments have no direct connection to athletic departments, but for perspective, the system-wide endowment for the University of Texas is some $18 billion - third highest in the US (behind only Harvard and Yale). There's simply an unbelievable amount of money to draw from, far more than any other public university (Michigan is the next highest public university on the list, @ $7.6 billion).

If it simply comes to money, no one can compete.

Exactly what do schools do with their endowment?

 

[CoastGhost]

Austin is actually pretty cheap. Still lots of places with < $1 beer at happy hour which is important! No state income tax, low property tax, tons of jobs. Texas overall has a pretty good economy as it's a business friendly state(unlike say California) with a very cheap cost of living(unlike CA and the NE).

I was talking about the $$$ difference in paydays.

Nobody outside of the fambly really understands the cost of living in Lee County. I understand you can trade your mama for groceries, swap your big sister for a new car and make a pretty good down payment on a double wide with your little brother or some goats.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I just don't see Jimbo as a good fit for UTw. He has pretty much always been in the southeast and it is a whole different animal in Texas. The media seems to think that UTw is the best job in the world, but that is only monetarily. It looks to me like Mack Brown did a pretty good job managing alums and donors who think they have an inherent right to interfere in the football program. There are more chiefs than indians there so to speak. Whoever the new Texas coach is will have to deal with more than just fielding a good team. Football coaches do not like to be politicians and that is what that job requires. I don't care how much the job pays, I can't see Jimbo wanting to deal with that kind of pressure. He will get a nice raise to 5 or 6 million if wins the BCSNC and will essentially have a job for life. Texas just ran off a coach who won a championship.

I actually saw Brown, originally from east TN, as a bad fit for UTx when he went there - folksy, down home, etc. I thought the self-fancied sophisticates of Austin wouldn't put up with him, and he turned out to be a champion schmoozer. Jimbo is abrasive, but not nearly so abrasive as Boom...

 

[crimsonaudio]

Exactly what do schools do with their endowment?

It's for education - it can be for general education or it can be earmarked for specific chairs, scholarships, etc. It's a very good reflection of the 'success' of the school's graduates, as the more successful the graduate pool (by standard monetary measure), the greater their income and therefore the greater their ability to give back to the school.

I've never heard of endowments being used for athletics, but I suppose some specific sports scholarships are considered endowments.

It's simply a monetary gift to the university.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It's for education - it can be for general education or it can be earmarked for specific chairs, scholarships, etc. It's a very good reflection of the 'success' of the school's graduates, as the more successful the graduate pool (by standard monetary measure), the greater their income and therefore the greater their ability to give back to the school.

I've never heard of endowments being used for athletics, but I suppose some specific sports scholarships are considered endowments.

It's simply a monetary gift to the university.

It's an excellent measure of the alumni base's financial ability to give independently to the athletic program...

 

[Ole Man Dan]

I actually saw Brown, originally from east TN, as a bad fit for UTx when he went there - folksy, down home, etc. I thought the self-fancied sophisticates of Austin wouldn't put up with him, and he turned out to be a champion schmoozer. Jimbo is abrasive, but not nearly so abrasive as Boom...

Ya recon that Coach Saban influenced the way Jimbo interacts with the media? OR... Could they have similar personalities, and that's why they hit it off? I'm betting on both.

 

[Rama Jama]

It's for education - it can be for general education or it can be earmarked for specific chairs, scholarships, etc. It's a very good reflection of the 'success' of the school's graduates, as the more successful the graduate pool (by standard monetary measure), the greater their income and therefore the greater their ability to give back to the school.

I've never heard of endowments being used for athletics, but I suppose some specific sports scholarships are considered endowments.

It's simply a monetary gift to the university.

I agree with most of what you said except for in some aspects the success of the graduate pool. UTw has an alumni base that I'm sure is succesful, but much of the endowment in their case comes from oil money of the graduates , not necessarily the education they recieve in Austin. I am sure it is a fine school, but 3rd behind Yale and Harvard. They do have a ton of money they will be able to lure a good coach.

 

[willie52]

Speaking of UT, found this link to an article on another site and I'm just amazed at the thoughts and writings of some UT folks. On another note, who is the source close to Alabama football the article is talking about?

**disclaimer** This will drive you nuts and is for entertainment purposes only**

http://www.chatsports.com/texas-lon...s-Was-So-Sure-Theyd-Get-Nick-Saban-10-136-666