Shula Bashing/Shula's Future

Re: For all you Shula Bashers

I just don't see how you can say that without giving him a chance to field a team with the amount of talent of the teams we are playing. SOS is one of the best coaches in recent years, and even he came up short against Auburn. He outcoched them, but he didn't have the talent and experienced players on the field to do it. If he had the talent, we would have waxed Auburn. If Shula has an experienced team on both sides of balls and we were not ever coming back, I would probably w/ you. But that isn't the case.
 
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I just don't see how you can say that without giving him a chance to field a team with the amount of talent of the teams we are playing. SOS is one of the best coaches in recent years, and even he came up short against Auburn. He outcoched them, but he didn't have the talent and experienced players on the field to do it. If he had the talent, we would have waxed Auburn. If Shula has an experienced team on both sides of balls and we were not ever coming back, I would probably w/ you. But that isn't the case.
I agree and reserve any judgement until at least the end of next season - not that my judgement in this matter accounts for much...
 
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Probably so. The real powers have given him at least three more years - barring a complete Dubosian collapse or moral pecadillos, so we might just as well relax...
 
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Well,
I guess this is the first time we have had a full scholarship team. The coaches seem to have hung in with us why don't we support them and the team?
Considering the waysome didn't give the Bama team a chance I thought they played very well. What I am questioning is the play clock on Fla. Maybe the delay had something to do with it. It just seemed the 0 came befor the snap. Did I miss something?
 
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The playcalling before halftime was horrible not setting up the fieldgoal going for the endzone on earlier downs was good but on third down set up the field goal and go to halftime!

In the shotgun we have to have some running palys to keep the defense honest!
We abanded the run !

mongo4bama
 
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It has been asked if we should give Shula until 2012.
03-12 ten seasons.

It took ten years to get the program in the shape it was in when he came here.

From National Champs in 92,
Hootie and Gene got us on probation and on the path "DOWN".

DuBose let it slip further down.

Backstabbings never help.

Hiring a personal friend who has "problems" pushed it deeper.

10 to get over 10;
I hope it doesn't take 10.

T7
 
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I think people need to realize Florida is a better team. It doesnt mean they have better coaches, they are just better than us. When we lose a game, its not always the coaches or players fault. We are not going to win every game. The main thing is we learn from our mistakes and move on.
 
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"here is nothing wrong with Shula's playcalling. Or his coaching. It is by far more aggressive than Gene Stallings's or even Bear Bryant's. Of course CBB and CGS had great experienced talent during their tenure's. Shula has had an under talented, under experienced team (lack of quality depth) since he arrived, that has overachieved! Not taking anything away from last years team, but in most of the sec games they played, they were outgunned, yet still found away to win. That is coaching!"



No offense intended, but the portion dealing with Paul Bryant and the personnel he inherited when he came in is just plain not true. Bama was 0-10-0, 7-2-1, 7-2-1 in the three years under J. B. Whitworth and many quit during the Spring practice prior to the first season under Bryant. None the less, with a total of 37 players dressing for games during his first year, he went 5-4-1. Freshmen, of course, were not eligible at that time. The cupboard was damn bare when he came in and what he accomplished his first three years were despite that fact. This is not second hand information, I was on campus at that time.

Bryant gambled and gambled frequently despite his own comments to the contrary. He just was quite good at picking his spots and seldom gambled unless he was forced to by the circumstances of the moment.

Now I am by no means a Shula hater as it is popularly termed on this board, but comparing a very green young coach with an excellent coach with years of experience is a poor joke indeed! If you wish to show your support of Shula publically thats fine, just stick to fact rather than imagination.

By the way, I agree where Stallings was concerned, the program was in better shape when he took it over than it was when Shula came in.

RTR
 
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To have been fortunate enough to have lived through the glory years of CPB football at Alabama is a blessing. Thanks for your perspective...
 
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When I say 2012, I am serious. Yes, we have a great tradition, and facilities that are unmatched anywhere, people. But, the fact of the matter is, we are a very average, mediocre program right now. For those of us who grew up watching this program win 10-11 games a year and automatically compete for championships year in and year out, well, times have changed. We live in a different world today. It's not the one you and I grew up in.
All that having been said, I really think Alabama can return to that elite group. Look at Southern Cal. For years in the eighties and nineties, they played in virtual anonymity and didn't go anywhere. Look where they are now. The same could be said about Oklahoma. For the most part, they were awful in the nineties, yet they too finally got their program on track by hiring Bob Stoops. I truly think one day in the future this program will return to the same kind of dominance. But for that to happen, I truly believe we need to give Coach Shula a minimum of three to four more years. After that, there will be absolutely no doubt whether he is the right man or not for the job. Until then, we need to be patient and support him. He is our coach. RTR
 
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Some people are just happier being miserable.

But our guys (players and coaches) played their hearts out today. I respect that. And I'm rooting for 'em and hoping for every win we can get.

After all hope isn't really that expensive.
 
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When I say 2012, I am serious. Yes, we have a great tradition, and facilities that are unmatched anywhere, people. But, the fact of the matter is, we are a very average, mediocre program right now. For those of us who grew up watching this program win 10-11 games a year and automatically compete for championships year in and year out, well, times have changed. We live in a different world today. It's not the one you and I grew up in.
All that having been said, I really think Alabama can return to that elite group. Look at Southern Cal. For years in the eighties and nineties, they played in virtual anonymity and didn't go anywhere. Look where they are now. The same could be said about Oklahoma. For the most part, they were awful in the nineties, yet they too finally got their program on track by hiring Bob Stoops. I truly think one day in the future this program will return to the same kind of dominance. But for that to happen, I truly believe we need to give Coach Shula a minimum of three to four more years. After that, there will be absolutely no doubt whether he is the right man or not for the job. Until then, we need to be patient and support him. He is our coach. RTR


I am not buying the 2012 thing at all. It should not take that long to rebuild, even with the crippling sanctions we have experienced. It is funny that you mention Southern Cal. Look at the old traditional schools who have resurfaced and how quickly they did it.

Southern Cal was no contender until Pete Carroll arrived, BAM, instant contender. Ohio State was good, but not great, Tressel arrives, BAM, soon contending for NCs. Notre Dame, Weiss, BAM, much improved and was being pimped as NC contenders this year (even though they are over-rated). Oklahoma wasn't much until Stoops arrived, BAM, NC contenders. Butch Davis rebuilt Miami after sanctions into contenders, yes they had a couple of down seasons, but they came right back fairly quickly. The job Nick Saban did at LSU, turning them into a national power in a couple of years. Mark Richt turned UGA into the team to beat in the east, almost instantly.

My point is, these coaches walked into programs with basically the same talent the previous coach had and could turn them into contenders where the previous coach couldn't. If Shula is the coach I hope he is, it should not take until 2012 to be contending for championships. I am patient with CMS, but I am expecting to see some major improvements next year because these young players will have a lot of game experience and another spring and fall camp under their belts.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect improvement, however, there is one thing that really bothers me. CMS was raised around winning football and has been involved with Offenses since he started playing and coaching. He has been a collegiate QB and a QB coach and OC at the NFL level.

I know we are young and inexperienced on Offense to a point, especially the line, but I am amazed that we still have games where the Offense does not score TDs. Gosh, the Offense should at least score as many TDs as the Defense.

Well, let's go on and get this out of the way. I am not a coach, have never been one and never claimed to have great football knowledge and I also don't have a high post count. To some, that disqualifies me from having an opinion. Having said that, I am a big fan of almost any type of motorsport. I am not a mechanic or driver, but I can still see when a car and/or driver are having problems.
 
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I'm not going to get into long term discussions here, but I will say this. Had we been able to score another touchdown in the first half of the game today, it would habve been over. I haven't had a chamce to watch the tape yet, but that crowd was quieting, the Gators were confused, and we had 'em. If we could have just put up 6. Why couldn't we? I dunno. Just wasn't in the cards. But we gave them all they could handle. That I guarantee you.
 
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I wouldn't say we are an average "program". An average "team" yes but with the stadium upgrade, facilities upgrade and excellent talent being recruited, "average program" just doesn't fit.
 
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When I say 2012, I am serious. Yes, we have a great tradition, and facilities that are unmatched anywhere, people. But, the fact of the matter is, we are a very average, mediocre program right now. For those of us who grew up watching this program win 10-11 games a year and automatically compete for championships year in and year out, well, times have changed. We live in a different world today. It's not the one you and I grew up in.
All that having been said, I really think Alabama can return to that elite group. Look at Southern Cal. For years in the eighties and nineties, they played in virtual anonymity and didn't go anywhere. Look where they are now. The same could be said about Oklahoma. For the most part, they were awful in the nineties, yet they too finally got their program on track by hiring Bob Stoops. I truly think one day in the future this program will return to the same kind of dominance. But for that to happen, I truly believe we need to give Coach Shula a minimum of three to four more years. After that, there will be absolutely no doubt whether he is the right man or not for the job. Until then, we need to be patient and support him. He is our coach. RTR

Actually, I'm just going to assume that you are kidding with the 2012 comment. That is the only way to make the sheer ridiculousness of your prognostication remotely bearable.

You're right - we live in a different world today - the WIN NOW world. USC was not stockpiled with talent. Pete Carroll won a BCS game his 2nd year, a national championship (according the AP in his 3rd). Oklahoma was ravaged by probation in the 90's not to mention a thuggish scandalous reputation and coaching instability. Bob Stoops went 7-5, then 13-0, then a series of 11/12 win seasons before last season.

The last time I checked, the loss of 24 scholarships didn't require 3-4 MORE SEASONS TO OVERCOME. Let me remind you that college football is littered with sophomores that are men among boys, so don't pretend we need to have last year's recruiting class be 5th year seniors before we can even compete on an even level with LSU and Aubarn. That is ABSURD. Shula has until the end of 2007 to prove he can do the job before those of us who haven't morphed into an Alabama version of a Vanderbilt fan get tired of being mediocre. Sadly, it seems many on this board are already tripping overthemselves in a rush to lower expectations not only for the rest of this season, but for the next 2-3 years. Coaching stability at the expense of on the field success is NOT a positive development for this program.

Fan of the University of Alabama above all else. Fan of the coach second. By making this very clear distinction, one should be able to objectively evaluate the status of the football program and determine if maybe, possibly, could be, perhaps, might be the coaching and not just probation, depth, injuries, the weather, execution, or the refs.
 
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With 9 minutes left in the game, we were trailing the #5 team by one point on their home field and we had the ball. The team was well coached and prepared, but once again, the execution was alittle lacking. That comes from the youth factor. JPW showed he was a soph QB with 5 starts under his belt. He'll only get better and better.

It's a game of inches, and we were inches away from 2 INTs as well as a TD.

We played hard and well, but mistakes killed us.
 
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