Simeon Castille Update:
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You're right, they should be caged after the evening meal till morning and only be let out to attend classes, practice and games.
That viewpoint would be valid IF they were doing something disruptive and/or illegal. Having fun in a part of town designated for just such activity with their own group does not equate to 'putting themselves in a position for this to have a chance of happening'. Unless, of course, you'd rather have players who would rather start a knitting circle than go out and have fun with their buddies.
Bayou and Jess,
Thanks first of all for clearing this thing up and putting the whole thing in perspective. Secondly, thanks for opening a thread where this thing can be addressed by level-headed, now informed, individuals. Please, pardon me for a moment while I get on my soapbox in regards to the whole "throw them under the bus" crowd.
You folks that are always quick to condemn, persecute, prosecute, and execute anyone who is mentioned in a bad light, totally infuriate me! First of all, you automatically assume that, if an arrest is made, then the person must be guilty of the worst things imaginable. Furthermore, you all always get on here--every time something like this comes up--and throw the poor guy(s) involved under the bus, before you have the facts, causing the mods to have to lock down the thread(s) and suspend all discussion. Therefore, the "wait til you have all the facts" and "innocent until proven guilty" crowds--of which I am always a member--never get to put in their(our) two cents worth...
...so, I am greatful to Bayou for this opportunity to rant at you "throw them under the bus" folks!
I hope youguys and the TPD officers have learned your/their lessons.
It is simply ridiculous that fans want to condemn our players at the first mention of incidents.
I'm further troubled at the folks that must mostly be "older that dirt" who seem to think that the mere fact that folks are out past midnight qualifies them as "hoodlums, thugs, etc."
If I had a nickle for every time that I was out past midnight during my 20+ years in Tuscaloosa, I'd be a very rich man. While I was an undergrad, the Christian Student Center was on the strip, Ironically at approximately the spot where the "Bad ... Coffee Company" now sits. I can't tell you how many times I was leaving that building as/after the sun came up. Can't tell you how many times there was horse-play, wrestling, scuffling, etc., amongst guys leaving the student center at 2, 3, 4:00 A.M. or even later. Bottom line: just because you're out at that time of night, doesn't mean that you're up to no good.
Also, just because you get cuffed and/or stuffed, doesn't always mean you did anything wrong. (See the facts about Simeon.)
I've been cuffed for absolutely nothing--in broad daylight on a couple of different occasions. I've never gotten the "free ride" to the police station and I've never been booked/charged with anything. That, alone should be enough to show that the police are often quick to slap on the cuffs before knowing the facts. If they'll cuff someone for no reason, is it really much of a stretch to believe that they would haul someone in and lock them up for no reason, as well?
Guys, please let this whole sad incident serve as a lesson to you--all of you--not to throw one of our players under the bus before--even after--you have all the facts. For that matter, maybe it should be a lesson to all of you to just not post on such subjects until the facts are known.
Sorry, folks. Please forgive the rant. Stepping down off of soapbox, now.
Thanks first of all for clearing this thing up and putting the whole thing in perspective. Secondly, thanks for opening a thread where this thing can be addressed by level-headed, now informed, individuals. Please, pardon me for a moment while I get on my soapbox in regards to the whole "throw them under the bus" crowd.
You folks that are always quick to condemn, persecute, prosecute, and execute anyone who is mentioned in a bad light, totally infuriate me! First of all, you automatically assume that, if an arrest is made, then the person must be guilty of the worst things imaginable. Furthermore, you all always get on here--every time something like this comes up--and throw the poor guy(s) involved under the bus, before you have the facts, causing the mods to have to lock down the thread(s) and suspend all discussion. Therefore, the "wait til you have all the facts" and "innocent until proven guilty" crowds--of which I am always a member--never get to put in their(our) two cents worth...
...so, I am greatful to Bayou for this opportunity to rant at you "throw them under the bus" folks!
I hope youguys and the TPD officers have learned your/their lessons.
It is simply ridiculous that fans want to condemn our players at the first mention of incidents.
I'm further troubled at the folks that must mostly be "older that dirt" who seem to think that the mere fact that folks are out past midnight qualifies them as "hoodlums, thugs, etc."
If I had a nickle for every time that I was out past midnight during my 20+ years in Tuscaloosa, I'd be a very rich man. While I was an undergrad, the Christian Student Center was on the strip, Ironically at approximately the spot where the "Bad ... Coffee Company" now sits. I can't tell you how many times I was leaving that building as/after the sun came up. Can't tell you how many times there was horse-play, wrestling, scuffling, etc., amongst guys leaving the student center at 2, 3, 4:00 A.M. or even later. Bottom line: just because you're out at that time of night, doesn't mean that you're up to no good.
Also, just because you get cuffed and/or stuffed, doesn't always mean you did anything wrong. (See the facts about Simeon.)
I've been cuffed for absolutely nothing--in broad daylight on a couple of different occasions. I've never gotten the "free ride" to the police station and I've never been booked/charged with anything. That, alone should be enough to show that the police are often quick to slap on the cuffs before knowing the facts. If they'll cuff someone for no reason, is it really much of a stretch to believe that they would haul someone in and lock them up for no reason, as well?
Guys, please let this whole sad incident serve as a lesson to you--all of you--not to throw one of our players under the bus before--even after--you have all the facts. For that matter, maybe it should be a lesson to all of you to just not post on such subjects until the facts are known.
Sorry, folks. Please forgive the rant. Stepping down off of soapbox, now.
This thread makes me sick at my stomach. Day after day we see posts gloating over who gets arrested at Miami, Florida State, South Carolina, Tennessee and our other rivals. Yet, when one of our own gets arrested, it must be that the cops are wrong. Please, please take off your rose colored glasses and admit that the cops are not always wrong, and that our players are not little lord fauntleroys who spend Saturday evenings at church. Believe me, you don't want to have the police responsibility to monitor bar parking lots on Saturday night.
As big a Bama fan as I am, I must say it gets tiresome reading how persecuted we are by every official body from the NCAA to the Tuscaloosa police. For heavens sake, the local policemen are probably some of the biggest Tide fans around.
THEY were out to get us for Albert Means.
THEY are out to get us in parking lots of local bars.
WE'RE NOT PARANOID, THEY really are out to get us.
Please keep in mind that never once, no, not even once, has anyone shown that our people did not do the things for which we were punished. Quite the contrary, the NCAA demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that our backers did do the things of which they were accused. Do you recall that the University really did not put up any kind of defense against the charges? And for good reason. They were true, and we must face that fact. Even we as fans accepted that the charges were true and turned to specious arguments about NCAA "tactics" and vindictiveness. We could not argue the case, so we argued the methods.
Have you never heard of noblesse oblige? Our players are accorded every possible perq from adulation to worship. And for that privilege the players have responsibilities to their fans, chief among which is the responsibility not to do stupid things like get drunk and start fights in bar parking lots after midnight on a Saturday night/Sunday morning. Great damage has been done to our reputation, and no kind of police apology can erase it. In fact, the fallout from a police apology would simply give credence to those who want to believe that our people cheat. I do not live in Alabama and talk sports with fans from major Universities all over the east coast. To a person they think we cheat, and incidents like this one just make my life miserable when I have to face them and hear the smugness in their accusations of "what do you expect? It's another Alabama thing."
For heavens sake let's get over this persecution insanity and get on to winning football games. President Witt and the University administration have gone to great lengths to correct a bad situation and put our recent bad past behind us. Now, let's us as fans also put these bad things behind and never, never assume that behind every charge there is a sweet little innocent Bama backer who is clean as a whistle and gentle as a lamb.
I am now prepared to suffer the slings and arrows of every ad hominem epithet in the book. You folks have shown the propensity to react that way. I sincerely hope that the mods will let this post stand, because it will show exactly the kinds of attitude I have addressed above. I love Alabama. I love the Crimson Tide. I love the University. But I tire of the holier than thou attitude that our coaches, backers and players can do no wrong.
We could accomplish great things if we accepted that bad things can happen and demanded that perps get punished. We should demand that people in positions of responsibility not let Alabama be dragged through any more mud. Our great University deserves nothing less than our best effort.
ad hominem epithet- obviously a barner 
seriously, being a cop in a college town has to be one of the most annoying things in the world to do as a profession. however, just like everyone else, cops need to be smacked on the rump every now and then to take them down a notch. the arrogance and utter disdain college town cops show for students is unacceptable. they have a hard job and do a decent job most of the time, but ego dripping cops should be fired on the spot. it requires a certain mentality to do the job, if you dont have it then you should do something else.
seriously, being a cop in a college town has to be one of the most annoying things in the world to do as a profession. however, just like everyone else, cops need to be smacked on the rump every now and then to take them down a notch. the arrogance and utter disdain college town cops show for students is unacceptable. they have a hard job and do a decent job most of the time, but ego dripping cops should be fired on the spot. it requires a certain mentality to do the job, if you dont have it then you should do something else.
From all indications, there was never any "alcohol" related charge in this incident. Also, from all indications, there was no "fighting" or "starting of fights." It seems you are choosing to believe the worst--even after things have been explained to you by some of the most reliable sources imaginable.
Boys will be boys. Just clowning around and cops do like to arrest people, just give one an excuse and see.
Ahem! A large portion of the moderators and admin of tidefans resemble that remark.
Believe me, us "older than dirt" guys did some outrageous things back in the day. What many of us did learn is patience and to think twice before speaking once.
It seems to me this is becoming more of a cop bashing and I for one think this thread is getting out of hand. those of you that have stated I hate cops are the same ones that praise us when you are in trouble. I am disappointed in some of these threads I have read and I hope that the mods will take action..
ncbama,
I don't doubt that you love Alabama. I also don't doubt that you have little reading comprehension or have no analytical capacity.
Did you even read the account of what happened ? Most are not saying persecution of Bama is at play here, just the very real possibility that law enforcement may have overreacted - that there was no reason for an arrest. It happens all of the time and in many places.
You must have an inferiority complex to accept the criticisms you do. Players from all over the country are arrested (Penn State, Mich, USC) not just the South or Bama. USC paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for 1 player, Mich paid over half a million for several, OSU... - yes, these paragons of virtue. BC has had 2 gambling scandals, etc. NYU disbanded. The South is corrupt, and the Northeast and the Westcoast and ... If your friends won't listen to reason, they are either fools or playing you for one.
I don't doubt that you love Alabama. I also don't doubt that you have little reading comprehension or have no analytical capacity.
Did you even read the account of what happened ? Most are not saying persecution of Bama is at play here, just the very real possibility that law enforcement may have overreacted - that there was no reason for an arrest. It happens all of the time and in many places.
You must have an inferiority complex to accept the criticisms you do. Players from all over the country are arrested (Penn State, Mich, USC) not just the South or Bama. USC paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for 1 player, Mich paid over half a million for several, OSU... - yes, these paragons of virtue. BC has had 2 gambling scandals, etc. NYU disbanded. The South is corrupt, and the Northeast and the Westcoast and ... If your friends won't listen to reason, they are either fools or playing you for one.
Hmm, The possibility of the sun setting on this thread is growing as the minutes pass. If it makes it til morning I'll share everything thats in my pockets with everyone thats posted in it. What I'm wearing doesnt have pockets but that doesnt mean I believe this one will make it. :biggrin::biggrin2:
Dude he was horsing around with some buddies. And you will never, ever get one ounce of defense for the NCAA out of me. I actually agree with about 50% of what you said...the other half is hogwash.
I love cops, i love what they do, i love that they go out and put their life on the line so that i can sit here and post on a football forum thats awesome.
I hate getting tickets, i hate getting fines, I've never been arrested but I'm pretty sure I'd hate it.
Logical people can see the difference, don't hate the player hate the game for all the young uns out there
Cops don't make the laws and the rules, i'm sure there are some rules that cops hate, they're just doing there jobs.
Some, SOME cops do enjoy the power a little too much, but a majority of police officers are just doing their jobs and protecting the public. Thank you officers for what you do.
In any profession you will find people who take advantage of the power they are given and law enforcement is no different.
Thanks UAPD.
I hate getting tickets, i hate getting fines, I've never been arrested but I'm pretty sure I'd hate it.
Logical people can see the difference, don't hate the player hate the game for all the young uns out there
Cops don't make the laws and the rules, i'm sure there are some rules that cops hate, they're just doing there jobs.
Some, SOME cops do enjoy the power a little too much, but a majority of police officers are just doing their jobs and protecting the public. Thank you officers for what you do.
In any profession you will find people who take advantage of the power they are given and law enforcement is no different.
Thanks UAPD.
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I never did anything wrong when I was younger...Ahem! A large portion of the moderators and admin of tidefans resemble that remark.
Believe me, us "older than dirt" guys did some outrageous things back in the day. What many of us did learn is patience and to think twice before speaking once.
:tongue: Groovy . After all , you guys were the 60's . :cool2:Ahem! A large portion of the moderators and admin of tidefans resemble that remark.
Believe me, us "older than dirt" guys did some outrageous things back in the day. What many of us did learn is patience and to think twice before speaking once.
Noblesse Oblige IMO does not fit the circumstances of a student athlete other than he should not let down his team mates and the athletes owe the fan nothing other than to entertain them on game day. Team rules should be adhered to and anyone not obeying team rules or civil laws should be held accountable to whichever authority they answer to. I agree no one should embarrass the university but who is to say who should be held more accountable. Athletes, professors, scholarship students, band members, coaches and even ticket holders, all should be held to a standard but we have to give people some space to breathe. Keeping everyone in a jar like some insect on display without any freedom is cruel.
ncbama,
you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree with your broad generalizations. Every situation, incident or case should be judged on its own merits and not on previous events which are not relevant. It is wrong to say we are incapable of objective discourse because we are ardent Bama fans.
I did not read a single post on this board defending Brandon Deadrick's behavior a few weeks back. In fact, the threads initially posted regarding the Castille arrest were quite accusatory and harsh which undermines your theory of persecution.
IMO, Simeon Castille broke no laws and was inappropriately arrested but we should wait and let all of the facts come out.
you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree with your broad generalizations. Every situation, incident or case should be judged on its own merits and not on previous events which are not relevant. It is wrong to say we are incapable of objective discourse because we are ardent Bama fans.
I did not read a single post on this board defending Brandon Deadrick's behavior a few weeks back. In fact, the threads initially posted regarding the Castille arrest were quite accusatory and harsh which undermines your theory of persecution.
IMO, Simeon Castille broke no laws and was inappropriately arrested but we should wait and let all of the facts come out.
Hey, most of the admin here are old enough to be my dad - don't lump me in with the old fogies...
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