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Simeon Castille Update:
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It will be interesting to hear how CNS handles this one in the press. Is he going to say that the TPD made a mistake and jump the gun by arresting Castille? Or is he just going to avoid the issue all together?
We see what kind of uproar Marvin Lewis caused in Cincinnati when he made the accusation that cops "look for" professional athletes to pull over. He came back and apologized.
So if this arrest was nothing more than a quick triggered officer with bad judgment will CNS just call it as it is and "call out" the TPD when addressing this issue in the press? Because if this is a mistake he's GOT TO stand behind Castille publicly and specifically say he wasn't in the wrong. If he doesn't say anything the perception will not be good.....at all.
We see what kind of uproar Marvin Lewis caused in Cincinnati when he made the accusation that cops "look for" professional athletes to pull over. He came back and apologized.
So if this arrest was nothing more than a quick triggered officer with bad judgment will CNS just call it as it is and "call out" the TPD when addressing this issue in the press? Because if this is a mistake he's GOT TO stand behind Castille publicly and specifically say he wasn't in the wrong. If he doesn't say anything the perception will not be good.....at all.
Unfortunately questionable arrests of football players on the strip is not new. I've seen them arrested for doing nothing more than the other 800 students were doing, When I was in school I was convinced a bunch of Auburn fans worked for the TPD.
Well if, and that's a big IF, Castille was carried to jail with absolutely no reason whatsoever, then obvious the TPD has some bad apples. And if that's the case (another big IF), would it be wise to give them even more incentive to falsely arrest other athletes?
Just to add to Bama Law, I have been cuffed and put in the back of a police car for going 10 miles under the speed limit at 2:00 AM because their was some vandalism going on in the neighborhood. So count me as one of the people that will wait and before judging Castille. He could have done something wrong; it could be a misunderstanding; the cop could have been Fill Fulmer in disguise.
As for the Albert Means scandal, I think people are more upset with inequity and arbitrariness of the NCAA rules enforcement. Tennessee had a professor admit to writing papers for football players for godsakes. They miss a filing dead line for penalties against Ohio State. If you give our program those two benefits; ignore the testimony of the people involved and then don't file violations, we wouldn't be complaining.
Its a bit like getting a speeding ticket on Georgia 400 in Atlanta. Hard to stomach when the slowest cars are going 10 miles over the speed limit.
As for the Albert Means scandal, I think people are more upset with inequity and arbitrariness of the NCAA rules enforcement. Tennessee had a professor admit to writing papers for football players for godsakes. They miss a filing dead line for penalties against Ohio State. If you give our program those two benefits; ignore the testimony of the people involved and then don't file violations, we wouldn't be complaining.
Its a bit like getting a speeding ticket on Georgia 400 in Atlanta. Hard to stomach when the slowest cars are going 10 miles over the speed limit.
Well, to me if Castille was wrongfully arrested he deserves some public support to at least inject into public perception that the staff has investigated, viewed all facts and deemed the TPD was wrong. If nothing is said to the public and there is no visible discipline like games missed then we've just added another log to the fire on our public perception around the country. I know many say they don't care but bad perception with the law is much different than bad perception with some college rules.
Amen to that, bayou.
I'm a refugee from another board, and left primarily because the owner declined to moderate. It got to the point that a group that professed to promote the University of Alabama and its athletic teams actually became an embarrassment. I tried more than once to convince him that he needed to do more, but met with pablum.
I'm here because of that experience. You guys strike the balance between allowing honest debate and shutting down damaging shrieks better than anybody on the net.
It's times like this that you earn your respect. Saaalllluuute!
Then I guess the chips will fall as they may because we're going to get absolutely eaten alive over this with the media. I don't want our program to be publicly perceived as UT, UTHUG down in Miami or Free Shoes in Tallahassee.
Noblesse Oblige does not apply here, nor should In Loco Parentis for that matter. Both are outdated concepts with no bearing in the modern university world.
1. Very few people on this board, or any other, realize the things student athletes give up to play. Most only focus on the things they receive. An academic scholarship requires very little other than academic performance from the bearer. These athletes have to concede much more of their personal lives and financial stakes in order to play. While playing for the Tide is a privilege, it also carries its own burdens that make up for the adulation of fans. There would also be no national headlines saying, "UA Merit Scholar Arrested for Disorderly Conduct" in any newspaper. So much for Noblesse Oblige.
2. The NCAA killed what was left of In Loco Parentis when they took away the athletic dorms. While there was a time of constant team monitoring and curfews, that time is gone due primarily to the impossibility of the logistics. These are not gladiatorial combatants who give up their freedom in order to entertain you in the coliseum. These are 18-22 year olds who have social existences beyond the field. I wish these things didn't happen, but there have been enough arrests in the NCAA ranks lately for far worse issues than this, so I see no reason to react like this was a heinous act.
1. Very few people on this board, or any other, realize the things student athletes give up to play. Most only focus on the things they receive. An academic scholarship requires very little other than academic performance from the bearer. These athletes have to concede much more of their personal lives and financial stakes in order to play. While playing for the Tide is a privilege, it also carries its own burdens that make up for the adulation of fans. There would also be no national headlines saying, "UA Merit Scholar Arrested for Disorderly Conduct" in any newspaper. So much for Noblesse Oblige.
2. The NCAA killed what was left of In Loco Parentis when they took away the athletic dorms. While there was a time of constant team monitoring and curfews, that time is gone due primarily to the impossibility of the logistics. These are not gladiatorial combatants who give up their freedom in order to entertain you in the coliseum. These are 18-22 year olds who have social existences beyond the field. I wish these things didn't happen, but there have been enough arrests in the NCAA ranks lately for far worse issues than this, so I see no reason to react like this was a heinous act.
Guys,
This is my first post here but I've been reading this board for months now and felt like chiming in today. First, if you paid much attention this morning you would have seen that hardly any news stations or newspapers were covering the story. You just had to know that that couldn't be right if a story that big was correct. It would have been front page of everything and CNS would have probably had some sort of public announcement on the whole thing early this am.
Secondly, since when did it become "the right thing to do" for the police to hassle people for every little thing. There just doesn't seem to be enough outrage about this on this board. Whatever happened to breaking up a fight instead of hauling everyone in or helping someone get home safely from bar instead of arresting them for public intoxication (I know Simeon supposedly wasn't drunk, it's just an example). Come on TPD. This is a college town full of college kids. Help them be safe, don't mess with them just because you can.
That's all I have to say.
This is my first post here but I've been reading this board for months now and felt like chiming in today. First, if you paid much attention this morning you would have seen that hardly any news stations or newspapers were covering the story. You just had to know that that couldn't be right if a story that big was correct. It would have been front page of everything and CNS would have probably had some sort of public announcement on the whole thing early this am.
Secondly, since when did it become "the right thing to do" for the police to hassle people for every little thing. There just doesn't seem to be enough outrage about this on this board. Whatever happened to breaking up a fight instead of hauling everyone in or helping someone get home safely from bar instead of arresting them for public intoxication (I know Simeon supposedly wasn't drunk, it's just an example). Come on TPD. This is a college town full of college kids. Help them be safe, don't mess with them just because you can.
That's all I have to say.
Why should this be any different? Everything from random fan letters to Coach Saban's favorite snack foods have been made worthy of media attention. I doubt this incident has the power to change any opinions.
The folks that don't like Alabama will cheer and point fingers, those that do will shrug their shoulders. We would get eaten alive by some media sources is the field wasn't lined well enough to suit them. I could care less.
Roll Tide and the heck with the rest!
I wouldn't worry about it.
If Saban calls this a mistake by the TPD, the media wouldn't believe him. He's probably better served by saying nothing publicly. The story's (or stories?) out there, and people will believe what they want.
As much grief as some give Tennessee, Miami, and the like, when they're winning it's called "swagger" and when they're not, it's called "thuggish."
What bothers me about all of this is the over reaction of many here and the wide disparity in reactions.
Which makes me wonder one question. If CNS were aware of all this reaction - the over zealousness of the police officers, the leardership at the university, the leadership in Tuscaloosa, the fanbase for their reaction to a grossly overblown situation - what would he actually think? Something tells me based on his introductory speech and his frequent responses to the media that he alreday has an impression of us as a Tide family and situations like these only reinforce what he already thinks. And thus far, I dont think it is positive.
My guess is, his impression may be that we (the Tide family) are inhibiting our own success not what rival schools are doing. Our passion has bled over into paranoia. We dont trust our rivals, we dont trust our leaders, we dont trust our players. We dont trust that the coaches will instill discipline in the program. We dont trust that our leaders whether academic or government will support the university and its programs. We dont trust the players to act and make the right decisions 100% of the time despite their notoriety. And the sad fact is that is correct. None of us are supporting the other.
Much like the way we discipline our children we strive to keep it private. What we decide as sufficient discipline or punishment with our children is our business and contributing to the further damage of our children's reputation is not only not parental but vindictive. And that the way it should be.
Because we dont trust the different constituents of the program, we get on here with our "voice" and try to make of up for this lack of trust by influencing our view on the situation and how it should be dealt with. We should throw Simeon off the train for this petty transgression. We tarnish the reputation of young gentleman who I know for a fact is a fine young man. We expect some immediate action and accountability from CNS.
We have the proper leadership in place to restore us to our previous success both on and off the field. Now we must trust and get behind this leadership. That means law enforcement should be prudent in dealing with "issues" much the way we would expect them to deal with the same "issues" if it were our own child. It also means media should have some accountability for what they write. It also means we as fans should not denigrate our players or coaches when "issues" arise - which they will. You know we talk about UT and their tactics, but say what you will, no one can argue that they dont handle things within the framework of the family (regardless of how they choose to handle things) and for the most part the coaches, media, university, and fans are on the same page when it comes to this.
My biggest fear as a Bama fan is us as a fanbase being so extreme in our views towards the program that we wake up again one morning and another quality coach has left us during the night because we cannot stop feeding on ourself.
Sadly, in this episode, I have seen nothing that makes me see improvement in our collective attitude towards our program.
Which makes me wonder one question. If CNS were aware of all this reaction - the over zealousness of the police officers, the leardership at the university, the leadership in Tuscaloosa, the fanbase for their reaction to a grossly overblown situation - what would he actually think? Something tells me based on his introductory speech and his frequent responses to the media that he alreday has an impression of us as a Tide family and situations like these only reinforce what he already thinks. And thus far, I dont think it is positive.
My guess is, his impression may be that we (the Tide family) are inhibiting our own success not what rival schools are doing. Our passion has bled over into paranoia. We dont trust our rivals, we dont trust our leaders, we dont trust our players. We dont trust that the coaches will instill discipline in the program. We dont trust that our leaders whether academic or government will support the university and its programs. We dont trust the players to act and make the right decisions 100% of the time despite their notoriety. And the sad fact is that is correct. None of us are supporting the other.
Much like the way we discipline our children we strive to keep it private. What we decide as sufficient discipline or punishment with our children is our business and contributing to the further damage of our children's reputation is not only not parental but vindictive. And that the way it should be.
Because we dont trust the different constituents of the program, we get on here with our "voice" and try to make of up for this lack of trust by influencing our view on the situation and how it should be dealt with. We should throw Simeon off the train for this petty transgression. We tarnish the reputation of young gentleman who I know for a fact is a fine young man. We expect some immediate action and accountability from CNS.
We have the proper leadership in place to restore us to our previous success both on and off the field. Now we must trust and get behind this leadership. That means law enforcement should be prudent in dealing with "issues" much the way we would expect them to deal with the same "issues" if it were our own child. It also means media should have some accountability for what they write. It also means we as fans should not denigrate our players or coaches when "issues" arise - which they will. You know we talk about UT and their tactics, but say what you will, no one can argue that they dont handle things within the framework of the family (regardless of how they choose to handle things) and for the most part the coaches, media, university, and fans are on the same page when it comes to this.
My biggest fear as a Bama fan is us as a fanbase being so extreme in our views towards the program that we wake up again one morning and another quality coach has left us during the night because we cannot stop feeding on ourself.
Sadly, in this episode, I have seen nothing that makes me see improvement in our collective attitude towards our program.
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Welcome and great first post!!! Ive been reading everywhere since this morning and have been like you, the news just didnt spread out and didnt sound accurate.
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