The evidence is overwhelming, the country was tricked into going to war in Iraq. We were deliberately mislead.
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The evidence is overwhelming, the country was tricked into going to war in Iraq. We were deliberately mislead.
I feel for you, and the pain you must endure. I was fortunate enough not to have lost anyone in the Twin Towers. Regardless, we must never forget what happened on that terrible day, and we must never become so complacent that something similar or worse is ever allowed to happen again.
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Does that concern extend to the Democrats and liberals who also knew people killed on 9-11?
People who are dismayed over being told disapporoval of the bush doctrine "Because there will come a day when your hatred for Bush will give our enemies aid and comfort. That aid and comfort will allow them to cause the deaths of many more Americans. Their victims could and very well might be your friends, your families and your neighbors. Then, after you have shed your tears, prayed over their caskets, and attended more funerals than you can stand, then you can come back home, look in the mirror, and face the person who shares the blame."
It's beyond insulting to be told you are aiding the enemy's efforts to kill Americans because you don't think bush is king.
There are many ways to accomplish any given thing. I have seen few Democrats who are even interested in how they might be more supportive of the war in Iraq, even though they might not agree with it in principle.
You see, whether you agree with the war or not, it is taking place. Right now, we have soldiers in harms way. The way that you approach your disagreement with Bush's policy defines you. By and large, most Democrats have decided to pull support for the war, hence the troops under fire, and to try to reduce funding for additional support - but leave them in place. That is disgustingly irresponsible.
To the Dems, I say: Support the war until our troops are home. Feel free to impeach Bush, but support the war. If the Democrats are really against the war, pull all funding. I wouldn't stand in the way of any of these options, though I might not agree with them. The Dems are in power. It is time to act like it.
You blame Bush, but Congress can end this today if they wish. The Democrats are afraid to pull funding because they fear the political fallout. Political! And you blame Bush? It is time to put up or shut up, and the Democrats have decided that they aren't interested in either option.
Your party stands for nothing...
All right slick, you want to keep on with the over-the-top garbage...
The converse of your argument is we are locked in a worldwide death struggle with Muslim radicals- world war three. If you really believe that, why are we fighting it on the cheap, with the minimum number of troops rather than using overwhelming force, per the Powell Doctrine?
Your assement of the Democrats' intentions show a basic misunderstanding on your part.
How so? The Dems have the ability to stop this now. You tell me why they are not doing so when they have said that they want the troops home yesterday...
There are too many Republicans who have tied themselves to bush... they will make it as difficult as possible to introduce sanity to bush's mess in Iraq.
If not ending the Iraq war today is a dishonest position for Democrats, then not putting every American resource available into winning the Iraq war is equally dishonest... on the part of the Repub administration conducting this war.
If not ending the Iraq war today is a dishonest position for Democrats, then not putting every American resource available into winning the Iraq war is equally dishonest... on the part of the Repub administration conducting this war.
Please answer the question. I've read what you have to say about the Bush administration. I'd like your response about your party's leadership.
Again, the Dems have the ability to stop this war now. Please tell me why they are not doing so when they have said that they want the troops home yesterday. Simple question...
But, as I and others have said before, what does 911 have to do with Iraq? Even Dubya, when confronted directly, admits the answer is NOTHING. Sure, Dead Eye Dick and some in congress
still triy to make the connection at times but nobody else does anymore.For the life of me, I cant see how anyone can defend 3100 dead, 10s of thousands injured, hundreds of billions squandered for a mistake and one that turned out badly, all for political party loyalty.
I dont have hatred for Dubya, only contempt for what he has done!
are you implying that the usa should declare war???? use every american resource?? only congress can do that. is that what you want? well, the dems are in control, so go for it. let's firebomb baghdad like we did the cities of germany and this thing would probably be over by the next weekend.
the dems are in a quagmire because they won't go all out, and they won't pull the troops. there's too many pokers in the fire among the dems. they cant' agree on the proper course to take concerning any issue in american politics: immigration, abortion, gun control, terrorism, the environment, attitudes toward religion, etc. BUT they can all agree to hate the president and can't offer a single, concise plan on anything. the dems are experts with shallow, non-binding rhetoric such as "taken out of context" and "fact of the matter is." it's disgusting and chicken****!
But, as I and others have said before, what does 911 have to do with Iraq? Even Dubya, when confronted directly, admits the answer is NOTHING. Sure, Dead Eye Dick and some in congress
For the life of me, I cant see how anyone can defend 3100 dead, 10s of thousands injured, hundreds of billions squandered for a mistake and one that turned out badly, all for political party loyalty.
I dont have hatred for Dubya, only contempt for what he has done!
I'll pose the same question to you and all of the others who are ripping Bush for the war in Iraq:
The Dems have the ability to stop this war now. Please tell me why they are not doing so when they have said that they want the troops home yesterday.
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I made coffee and old hillary did not show up. I thought we would just chat. :biggrin2:
I never mentioned party affiliation. I weep for all innocent civilians hurt and lives lost at the hand of terrorists, regardless of race, color, nationality, religious or political persuasion.
I have no problem with your thoughts, because you are free to think and voice your opinion as you wish.
I also don't think Bush is king. I've said that before, and I continue to disagree with some of his policies. But he is the President of the United States,and therefore my President. I will stand behind him and defend his decisions. I will lay down my own life in defense of his, if necessary. Right now, his decision is to send as many more troops into Iraq as he feels necessary to complete the mission. Let the troops win the war in Iraq so that the Iraqi's can take control of the situation themselves. Then we can hand it over to them and return our troops to their families.
My problem is with those who would undermine what he is attempting to do, and that undermines the troops and their ability to win the war. WIN THE WAR first, then come home. But for the love of God, please don't pull the rug out from under their feet before they complete their mission. To do so will only embolden the enemy to retake Iraq, destroy what has already been built, and once again bring their terrorist acts to our own cities. If and when that happens, we will once again mourn the loss of innocent civilians. That's what we've been talking about - keeping it over there so it doesn't come here. Defeating the terrorists on their own soil so we won't have to worry about terrorist acts in our own cities, or our own homes.
I'm willing to do my part, even if it means going to the recruiter and talking them into letting me reenlist. But they won't, because I already tried, on the afternoon of Sept 11, 2001. I'd get on a plane tomorrow and sacrifice my own life once again if it meant that I could help prevent my family and friends from harm in the future. No risk is too great when it comes to protecting those I love and the American way of life that is so precious to us all.
Since you brought it up, let's talk about insulting speech. Everything you say in regards to Bush is insulting. Not once have you talked about even one positive thing that he has accomplished. You call him a liar as easily as you would place an order in a restaurant. You criticize without offering alternate ideas. All the terms you use about him and his administration are insulting. Your attitude and speech in general are insulting towards him. You have gone beyond the description of disapproval. But that's what we've come to expect from hate filled liberals.
I'm an American citizen, a US Army, two time Vietnam combat veteran. I'm proud to have served my country when and where I was needed, and I'll gladly do it again if given the opportunity. Those who wish us harm, and those who say and do everything they can to tear down what generation upon generation of American heroes have given their lives to build make me sick. If that includes you, then so be it. If you hate this country, and for what it stands, then by all means run to the airport, buy a one way ticket to Iran, Russia, China, Vietnam, or even France for all I care.
"Lead, or Follow, or get the hell out of the way".
But, as I and others have said before, what does 911 have to do with Iraq? Even Dubya, when confronted directly, admits the answer is NOTHING. Sure, Dead Eye Dick and some in congress
For the life of me, I cant see how anyone can defend 3100 dead, 10s of thousands injured, hundreds of billions squandered for a mistake and one that turned out badly, all for political party loyalty.
I dont have hatred for Dubya, only contempt for what he has done!
Bamaro, I think "mistake" is too kind of a word for bush's war in Iraq. That implies the country wasn't deliberately mislead into it.
So much of the "evidence" cited by bush about WMDs before the invasion had been discredited well before he used it. That wasn't due to imcompetance, it falls in the dishonesty category.
I also think the best possible outcome with Iraq is what most reasonable Americans want. The Repubs have well-proven they don't have a clue how to get there. The Dems are our last chance, let's hope they are up to it.
And back to your point, Bamaro, "what does 911 have to do with Iraq?" (9-11 was used as justification for invading Iraq when we all know now the two things had nothing to do with each other.)
Hillary Clinton made a speech the other day...she mentioned she was from New York and had a special perspective towards 9-11. She made this remark in response to a question about the Iraq war. That's a dishonest argument when Hillary or anybody else tries to make it.
NYBF, its too bad that you feel the need to resort to personal insults and even veiled threats. I guess that speaks for itself.
I've said my piece in this thread and kept it very civil. I would expect the same treatment, but based on this and previous episodes by you, i guess i'm expecting too much.
Good day.
No, you asked a question in an insulting way, and I responded in kind. In this life, you get what you give.
BTW, still waiting for my answer...
I had about gotten used to your constant references to your secure financial situtation, but now I see you are moving on to tell us about how brave you are.
I fondly remember a short response to another one of your posts by bayou...the smiley face throwing up.
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Uh, NYBF. Has the ice storm got you cooped up in the house too long this weekend? Cabin fever hit yet?
Your posts lend me to believe that the dog might get kicked before too long. Not that he probably doesn't deserve it, but......
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