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The NCAA Committee on Infractions called the University of Alabama a "serial repeat violator"...
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taken from More on UA's textbook appeal: NCAA Committee on Infractions tagged UA as a 'serial repeat violator' with an 'abysmal' record | The Bama Beat - al.com

In other news, the NCAA Committee on Infractions faces charges of a lack of institutional control over sloppy writing, specifically in regards to redundancy. An anonymous source inside the committee said "It should come as no unexpected surprise to the committee that the writing in it's reports is sometimes on occasion lousily poor. On the other hand, 8 year old boys see no problem with our style. In fact, they think it is amazingly supersonically super."
 
If stuff like this doesn't confirm the NZAA has it out for us, ponder this gem and our rebuttal....

The NCAA Committee on Infractions called the University of Alabama a "serial repeat violator" with an "abysmal infractions track record" and an "extensive recent history of infractions cases unmatched by any other member institution in the NCAA," in responding to the school's textbook appeal
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UA's response...

"At least 27 institutions have experienced the same number of more major infractions cases than the University. Characterizing the University as 'abysmal' therefore maligns almost a quarter of the schools in the FBS, including half of the Pac-10, half of the Big 12, three schools in the ACC and four members of the Big 10."
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Here is the link to the full UA rebuttal

Full UA Rebuttal
 
Something must change about this entire process.

This is over textbooks, for crying out loud. The ncaa's language reads like an Auburn fan wrote it. I'm sorry... Auburn fans can't read or write. But if they could...
 
You know, I understand, that we as fans may see what happens at the university with less 'objectivity' than others. But some of the language in the NCAA's rebuttal is just inflamatory and arrogant, in my opinion.

The fact that they state that UA is the worst of the worst, yet numbers and types of infractions do not support this, suggest that they are either incompetent or just ticked that we filed an appeal. I mean, who are WE (the university) to question the COI's ruling? We should just take our lumps and count our blessings is wasn't worse, right? Cause they have all the power?!?!

I have real issues with people/organizations dictating to others because of their supposed authority. Especially, when it becomes apparent that the authority is not applied correctly, or even outright abused.

Obviously, I am a little more irked being a fan of UA, but even if the NCAA were doing this to another university, I would feel the same. It is even more frustrating that there appears to be no end solution to this problem.
 
This is pretty harsh language considering what other schools have done (not that we're innocent, but not as bad as NCAA alleges compared to other schools). You know Lame Kitten is using trash like this in recruiting. The NCAA owes us a serious apology for this garbage.
 
The NCAA is going to continue to beat their chests and harangue against us, exaggerating the degree of our wrongdoing and making our relationship with rival fanbases more ascerbic and malignant. I don't know if they are purposely attempting to inject more hatefulness and vitriol into the environment surrounding the game, but that's what is happening. Everytime that the NCAA comes out with one of their spiteful edicts, there's a spike in the virulence of rival fans and their journalist-toadies.

Meanwhile, the silence surrounding the USC investigation is deafening. They're going to be given nothing in the way of punishment, all the documented proof will be ignored and the NCAA will probably even apologize to them for causing them any inconvenience.
 
Well, I must say I thought the University reply was extremely well done.....and will make no difference at all. I very much appreciated the intensity of the reply as well as the reasoned and well argued analysis..... not that it will make any difference at all. I'm very proud the University stood up and said enough......not that it will matter. Even if you're going to lose, there's no point in allowing them to say asinine things about us.

To eventually accomplish what they seem to want, they are not through with us. Given their view of the University, I fear nothing we do will ever be enough to placate them. I have a great deal of sympathy for the Administration......what should you do? You don't cooperate.....you lose; you cooperate....you lose.The main source of my anger is that their rulings are internally inconsistent and there is no rhyme or reason to what they do. Because Tarkanian hit them so hard a few years ago, the NCAA will never again get boxed in publicly or in writing with a ruling but will still decide as they wish while saying almost nothing. There are no applicable legal standards other than what they decide behind closed doors.

I never complained about the Means affair because I think we were at fault and as an alumus I have no interest in "winning at all cost". The reputation and integrity of the school are, of course, of paramount importance. This, on the other hand, is absured, vindicative and utterly unprofessional on the part of the NCAA. The only way we can survive these people is to outlast the current regieme without getting the death penalty in the meantime. They have to retire sometime.
 
Maybe we'll get lucky and all the Bama Bashers will just go '"POOF" and cease to exist. I don't get it, does it go back to the Bear Bryant era where their teams just got consistantly beat to a pulp and left them mentally scarred for life or maybe a northener hate southerner thing. Who knows.
 
I do not know of a single soul that trusts or respects the NCAA as an organization. With the money that some of the boosters around the country can pull together, how has it been allowed to continue to exist?
 
Part of what's going on here is a turf battle within the NCAA. The Committee on Appeals has regularly reversed and modified the findings of the COI, much to the chagrin of the COI. The COI managed to push through an amendment last year so that Appeals can only reverse or modify the findings and punishment of the COI when it finds "abuse of discretion." That hasn't slowed the Appeals folks very much so far. The reason the language is so over the top is because COI is trying to establish that the facts are so egregious, there's no way their vacation of wins is an abuse of discretion. You have to have the program in hand in order to understand the play. It really has less to do with UA and more to do with the prerogatives of the COI. And, BTW, Tarkanian was a massive victory for the NCAA, since they escaped the 14th Amendment and "due process" forever...
 
If they can dish out this kind of CRAP to us when we self-reported, why can't they do something to USC (left coast USC). The USC case is worse than the Means & Memphis case. And what has been done in that case? NADA!

If we had not self-reported, they would not know that it had even happened, kind of like a TREE falling in the forest and no one around to hear it.

Our Athletic Compliance staff was being upfront, open, ethical, and honest and trying to to the right thing by righting a wrong committed by students, NOT coaches. One case was for 35 cents. Wow!!!

There needs to be equity in all enforcement of NCAA rules.

I feel certain that other institutions have covered up violations and never reported them.

Seems like our Compliance staff has tried to meticulously comply with ALL NCAA rules since the aftermath of the Means saga.

If we lose this appeal, then I expect USC to lose a BCSNC and Bush to lose his Heisman!

Just reading that _ _ _ _ es me off!
 
Someone posted awhile back ( I believe it was on Tidefans) a link of the number of violations each University has with the NCAA. It showed Auburn having more violations than Bama, yet they are acting like jerks who haven't made one violation. I'm going to look for the link, if someone finds it please post the link, thanks.
 
The problem I have with the COI's decision in this matter is that it uses things that occurred in the not-so-recent past, to justify imposition of present penalties.

Specifically, this is a self-reported series of secondary infractions, which were bundled together to classify as a major infraction, and then weighed against 45 years of infractions history.

First, they take a large number of secondary infractions, spread throughout several sports, and use the number to classify this as a major infraction.

Then, they look back at over 10 years worth of infractions history, referring to infractions that occurred when none of the current coaches or players and few of the current administrative staff were even involved with UA, to justify enhancing the penalty for our "major" infraction.

Then, as part of said "enhanced" penalties, they throw the repeat violator probationary period out further into the future, guaranteeing that UA will face even more retribution the next time our players go fishing or get an extra blue book.

It places UA in a never-ending downward spiral of infractions penalties, that can eventually kill a program.
 
University of Memphis is going through a similar situation in basketball where the penalties do not match past judgments in other cases. They are also having some pretty tense written discourse between the two. As with our case, it will more than likely lead them nowhere . . .
 
I was surprised that UA was fighting this as hard as they are...but there was an attorney on WJOX this morning discussing this issue and UA's rebuttal. I liked what he had to say, and it helped me understand why UA is fighting this:
This wasn't all of his points, I can't recall them all, but he basically said that UA is standing strong in their stance because of
1) previous statements from the NZaa just a short time ago was commending UA in everything they did/have done since basically the Means fiasco, to ensure they were doing everything the "right" way and all of their "praise" in recent statements totally conflicts their (ncaa) current stance & language in this latest statement that UA has shown even close to a lack of institutional control or LOIC.
2) UA self reported and took appropriate action as soon as they were aware of the textbook situation
3) there is no precedent for this harsh of a punishment by the NZAA for any other university for this same infraction and they know it. He cited the recent OU cases, and GTU as an example. The NZaa has not done this to any other university for a similar infraction. He cited some other stuff but I can't remember it all; he also said that even though the NZAA was basing their argument on an overall history or pattern, he said that he thought they'd have to rethink that because they were basically trying to delve up stuff from 10-20 yrs ago as a basis for this penalty, and in those prior cases, UA was not guilty of a LOIC.
In other words, if you're going to use our history from 10-20 yrs ago as a marker for this penalty, we can use the NZAA's past history in dealing with similar infractions at other schools in fighting it.
Anyway, I thought his take on it was interesting.
 
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NYBamaFan said:
I do not know of a single soul that trusts or respects the NCAA as an organization. With the money that some of the boosters around the country can pull together, how has it been allowed to continue to exist?
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They have zero credibility with most people. The NCAA manual is gargantuan. I think the NCAA is dying a slow death, something I hope happens soon.
 
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