The Decline of the American Media III

[Bamaro]

Colbert going away has zero to do with Mango Mussolini.

Stephen Colbert’s ‘Late Show’ Was Losing Millions at CBS Before Cancellation - The New York Times

If he worked for free, the show would still lose $20 million a year.

It makes you wonder why it costs so much. I did hear that the Late Show employes 200 people! That sounds outrageous but part of it may be because of unions. You would think though that they could trim enough fat to make it profitable. Late Night recently eliminated their live band. I guess CBS felt it was just easier to kill it and placate trump so the sale would go through.
I regularly watched it the next morning. Usually just the monolog and 'Meanwhile'. He is pretty funny but the right seems more sensitive to ridicule than the left and he hit both sides.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

It makes you wonder why it costs so much. I did hear that the Late Show employes 200 people! That sounds outrageous but part of it may be because of unions.

Probably (in part).

I regularly watched it the next morning. Usually just the monolog and 'Meanwhile'. He is pretty funny but the right seems more sensitive to ridicule than the left and he hit both sides.

"The right" has become everything they said they once loathed in "the left" - up to voting in a President who is more to "the left" than any Republican since Teddy Roosevelt while snorting that anyone who disagrees is a "RINO."

And you're right, Bamaro, "the self-declared right" has become humorless. When Rush Limbaugh was saying the same stuff about the Left, they thought it was hilarious. (Rush in the 90s was absolutely hysterical, light hearted, and not usually too over the top. Just plain funny, something even a number of his liberal critics admitted; but he saw where the Trump Train was headed and had a choice between getting run over or showing that none of his convictions were true and chose money over principle. To be fair, he'd devolved into a level of meanness by the time of Sandra Fluke that wasn't so common in the 90s).

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Probably (in part).



"The right" has become everything they said they once loathed in "the left" - up to voting in a President who is more to "the left" than any Republican since Teddy Roosevelt while snorting that anyone who disagrees is a "RINO."

And you're right, Bamaro, "the self-declared right" has become humorless. When Rush Limbaugh was saying the same stuff about the Left, they thought it was hilarious. (Rush in the 90s was absolutely hysterical, light hearted, and not usually too over the top. Just plain funny, something even a number of his liberal critics admitted; but he saw where the Trump Train was headed and had a choice between getting run over or showing that none of his convictions were true and chose money over principle. To be fair, he'd devolved into a level of meanness by the time of Sandra Fluke that wasn't so common in the 90s).

Wasn't he in pain because of his lung cancer for quite a while?

 

[81usaf92]

My immediate reaction to this question was, "Of course they can do better!" Then I actually sit and think about it and........well, the ole magic 8-ball isn't giving me much. At best, they've got Manchin, Sinema and Fetterman. That's literally the cream of the crop in this party.

Fetterman is losing credibility and probably will never rise above what he is now. I suspect that barring a change in course then it’s highly likely we finally get a true leftist as a president. Trump’s tariffs, some of his most infamous policies, and the fallout from DOGE will probably doom the Republican Party in the coming elections.

But then again… if there is a way to lose an easy election the democrats will find a way.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Wasn't he in pain because of his lung cancer for quite a while?

I don’t know when he first began exhibiting symptoms, but I know that he was not well the last year of his life. So sometimes he would be there three or four days a week and sometimes he might go two weeks without being there.

I take no pleasure in his painful demise, but there is a little bit of delicious karma in the sense that he spent years upon years, insisting against all evidence that smoking had nothing to do with lung cancer. I heard him go on a rant over and over again along those lines back when I listened to him a whole lot more in my younger days.

 

[81usaf92]

Probably (in part).



"The right" has become everything they said they once loathed in "the left" - up to voting in a President who is more to "the left" than any Republican since Teddy Roosevelt while snorting that anyone who disagrees is a "RINO."

And you're right, Bamaro, "the self-declared right" has become humorless. When Rush Limbaugh was saying the same stuff about the Left, they thought it was hilarious. (Rush in the 90s was absolutely hysterical, light hearted, and not usually too over the top. Just plain funny, something even a number of his liberal critics admitted; but he saw where the Trump Train was headed and had a choice between getting run over or showing that none of his convictions were true and chose money over principle. To be fair, he'd devolved into a level of meanness by the time of Sandra Fluke that wasn't so common in the 90s).

I think when Stewart exposed news anchors as being bad comedians and comedians being better news anchors with his takedown of Tucker Carlson too many people took it as “we need liberal comedians as the replacement of our night show hosts”. I think guys like Maher, Stewart, and Oliver only work in places where they are somewhat unfiltered in what they say and can do. Colbert, Fallon, and Kimmel really can’t.

 

[Its On A Slab]

I think when Stewart exposed news anchors as being bad comedians and comedians being better news anchors with his takedown of Tucker Carlson too many people took it as “we need liberal comedians as the replacement of our night show hosts”. I think guys like Maher, Stewart, and Oliver only work in places where they are somewhat unfiltered in what they say and can do. Colbert, Fallon, and Kimmel really can’t.

I think the guys that have the most leeway in what they say or portray is the South Park folks.

Because it's animation, they get away with stuff that would never fly from a talk show or standup.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Fetterman is losing credibility and probably will never rise above what he is now.

He's set himself into position where even if he did run, he wouldn't be able to win the primary. This is a common problem in both parties: if you're acceptable to the PARTY as they vote in primaries, you're often less than acceptable to the nation as a whole. This used to be a much bigger problem than it is now. But not all that long ago the PRIMARY produced extreme candidates that the activists imposed on the parties and....well, you'd better hope that the other party nominates someone more unacceptable than you do.

Also, we still maintain a certain aura about our President, even if the current one wears a dead raccoon on top of his head and looks like he was dipped in orange sherbert. Fetterman's refusal to even try to dress the part won't help, and the guy isn't exactly photogenic. Trump DOES still wear suits.

I also suspect they're going to primary him in 2028 - and I'm going to laugh out loud if they win up putting a Republican in his place. If the GYP was serious at the Senate level, Team Blue would be in serious trouble. Fortunately, nominees like Kari Lake, Roy Moore, Herschel Walker, and Dr. Oz (to go alongside Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle) have helped the Ds retain some seats over the years.

I suspect that barring a change in course then it’s highly likely we finally get a true leftist as a president. Trump’s tariffs, some of his most infamous policies, and the fallout from DOGE will probably doom the Republican Party in the coming elections.

Well, you would think so, but who really knows?

One thing our tribal politics now entails is finding a creative way to blame someone in the other party for anything that's wrong now.

Measles outbreak? No, it's not the unvaccinated, it's those damn brown people bringing disease across our borders.

But then again… if there is a way to lose an easy election the democrats will find a way.

What's so funny about this is back in 2006, Rahm Emanuel at the time was the head of the Dem House campaign committee. Early in the year, a number of Republicans were already telling him the polling was showing a coming disaster for the Reps. And given the fact the Dems only needed to win 15 seats and folks were tired of Iraq, mad over Katrina, and the GOP had held the House for 12 years, odds were pretty good. But Emanuel, saying the terrain looked good in September, told one inquisitor, "Never underestimate our ability to blow it."

 

[Bamaro]

I think when Stewart exposed news anchors as being bad comedians and comedians being better news anchors with his takedown of Tucker Carlson too many people took it as “we need liberal comedians as the replacement of our night show hosts”. I think guys like Maher, Stewart, and Oliver only work in places where they are somewhat unfiltered in what they say and can do. Colbert, Fallon, and Kimmel really can’t.

Stewart works for the same company as Colbert.

 

[81usaf92]

Stewart works for the same company as Colbert.

Yes but he operates under different rules.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

He's set himself into position where even if he did run, he wouldn't be able to win the primary. This is a common problem in both parties: if you're acceptable to the PARTY as they vote in primaries, you're often less than acceptable to the nation as a whole. This used to be a much bigger problem than it is now. But not all that long ago the PRIMARY produced extreme candidates that the activists imposed on the parties and....well, you'd better hope that the other party nominates someone more unacceptable than you do.

Also, we still maintain a certain aura about our President, even if the current one wears a dead raccoon on top of his head and looks like he was dipped in orange sherbert. Fetterman's refusal to even try to dress the part won't help, and the guy isn't exactly photogenic. Trump DOES still wear suits.

I also suspect they're going to primary him in 2028 - and I'm going to laugh out loud if they win up putting a Republican in his place. If the GYP was serious at the Senate level, Team Blue would be in serious trouble. Fortunately, nominees like Kari Lake, Roy Moore, Herschel Walker, and Dr. Oz (to go alongside Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle) have helped the Ds retain some seats over the years.




Well, you would think so, but who really knows?

One thing our tribal politics now entails is finding a creative way to blame someone in the other party for anything that's wrong now.

Measles outbreak? No, it's not the unvaccinated, it's those damn brown people bringing disease across our borders.



What's so funny about this is back in 2006, Rahm Emanuel at the time was the head of the Dem House campaign committee. Early in the year, a number of Republicans were already telling him the polling was showing a coming disaster for the Reps. And given the fact the Dems only needed to win 15 seats and folks were tired of Iraq, mad over Katrina, and the GOP had held the House for 12 years, odds were pretty good. But Emanuel, saying the terrain looked good in September, told one inquisitor, "Never underestimate our ability to blow it."

As I work, I keep the news on my TV in the background, with CC. I can't help but notice that CNN has Emanuel on very frequently as a guest/commentator and his upcoming (possible) run for the presidency always comes up. Rahm Emanuel?!?! Does this seem as ridiculous to anyone else as it does to me?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

As I work, I keep the news on my TV in the background, with CC. I can't help but notice that CNN has Emanuel on very frequently as a guest/commentator and his upcoming (possible) run for the presidency always comes up. Rahm Emanuel?!?! Does this seem as ridiculous to anyone else as it does to me?

It's not as ridiculous as the times I hear the name "Michelle Obama" as potential candidate, but it's still insane. Emanuel, to me, would be more like if a James Carville or Karl Rove was running. Yes, he's held elective office but my goodness.......maybe Haley Barbour since he actually held an elective office after running the RNC......

Crazy idea.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It's not as ridiculous as the times I hear the name "Michelle Obama" as potential candidate, but it's still insane. Emanuel, to me, would be more like if a James Carville or Karl Rove was running. Yes, he's held elective office but my goodness.......maybe Haley Barbour since he actually held an elective office after running the RNC......

Crazy idea.

It is. It's also crazy for CNN to appear to be boosting it...

 

[92tide]

He's set himself into position where even if he did run, he wouldn't be able to win the primary. This is a common problem in both parties: if you're acceptable to the PARTY as they vote in primaries, you're often less than acceptable to the nation as a whole. This used to be a much bigger problem than it is now. But not all that long ago the PRIMARY produced extreme candidates that the activists imposed on the parties and....well, you'd better hope that the other party nominates someone more unacceptable than you do.

Also, we still maintain a certain aura about our President, even if the current one wears a dead raccoon on top of his head and looks like he was dipped in orange sherbert. Fetterman's refusal to even try to dress the part won't help, and the guy isn't exactly photogenic. Trump DOES still wear suits.

I also suspect they're going to primary him in 2028 - and I'm going to laugh out loud if they win up putting a Republican in his place. If the GYP was serious at the Senate level, Team Blue would be in serious trouble. Fortunately, nominees like Kari Lake, Roy Moore, Herschel Walker, and Dr. Oz (to go alongside Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle) have helped the Ds retain some seats over the years.




Well, you would think so, but who really knows?

One thing our tribal politics now entails is finding a creative way to blame someone in the other party for anything that's wrong now.

Measles outbreak? No, it's not the unvaccinated, it's those damn brown people bringing disease across our borders.



What's so funny about this is back in 2006, Rahm Emanuel at the time was the head of the Dem House campaign committee. Early in the year, a number of Republicans were already telling him the polling was showing a coming disaster for the Reps. And given the fact the Dems only needed to win 15 seats and folks were tired of Iraq, mad over Katrina, and the GOP had held the House for 12 years, odds were pretty good. But Emanuel, saying the terrain looked good in September, told one inquisitor, "Never underestimate our ability to blow it."

and they didn’t blow it

 

[92tide]

As I work, I keep the news on my TV in the background, with CC. I can't help but notice that CNN has Emanuel on very frequently as a guest/commentator and his upcoming (possible) run for the presidency always comes up. Rahm Emanuel?!?! Does this seem as ridiculous to anyone else as it does to me?

my guess is that is nothing but rahm keeping his name in the news

 

[selmaborntidefan]

and they didn’t blow it

Not that time, no.

I think their problem was they hit paydirt two elections in a row and (just like the GOP in 2004) bought into that "the Republican Party is so dead they'll never be in power again."

You know.....like the GYP is doing right now.

 

[Bamaro]

As I work, I keep the news on my TV in the background, with CC. I can't help but notice that CNN has Emanuel on very frequently as a guest/commentator and his upcoming (possible) run for the presidency always comes up. Rahm Emanuel?!?! Does this seem as ridiculous to anyone else as it does to me?

Yeah but certainly not as ridiculous as a realty tv show host and crooked real estate investor winning, losing, inciting an insurrection and winning again.
You cant make this stuff up!

 

[92tide]

Not that time, no.

I think their problem was they hit paydirt two elections in a row and (just like the GOP in 2004) bought into that "the Republican Party is so dead they'll never be in power again."

You know.....like the GYP is doing right now.

a focused and ultimately successful media strategy pretending the tea party was some grass roots movement played a part as well

 

[CrimsonJazz]

 

[crimsonaudio]

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