The Perpetual Gun Control Thread

my story is very similar (although i am a bit younger ;) ). lots of hunting, some target and skeet/trap shooting.

i have had a gun loaded twice in the house expecting a break in. once i was on the phone with the police while watching kids break into the house next door one night(the owner was not there at the time), the other was when some idiots rang my doorbell at 2 am. i rested the barrel on the small door window so they could see it and asked them through the door what the [insert string of expletives] they wanted at this time of night. they gave me some song and dance about a lost puppy, and i offered to call the police for them to assist with the puppy. they seemed to forget about the puppy and left.

life in the city
 
life in the city

those are the only two crime incidents that i have had in 20 years of living in east point.

there is a guy who used to run with our group who also lived in east point. he was telling me about a time right after he moved in where the next door teens were popping off small caliber stuff while drinking and raising hell one night. he said he pulled out his 12 gauge and walked out on his porch and fired off one very loud round in the air. said he never heard another sound out of them after that. he is a gruff, good ole boy type and picturing this while he was telling the story had me in stitches.
 
Found this pretty interesting. To me it sounds like we still don't understand these kinds of tragedies very well at all

[h=1]No Terrorist Is A ‘Lone Wolf’[/h]
There’s been very little empirical research on lone actor terrorists. But what does exist has been enough to convince some researchers that “lone wolf” is a moniker that never should have existed. The ties to communities of extremist thought and social pressure are too strong to ever say someone was truly acting alone.

And that, experts told me, is why the internet has changed the way violent extremism works. In the 1930s, the public rhetoric of someone like the racist, anti-immigrant radio star Father Coughlin could (and did) create a community of violence. In the 1970s, Daniels said, white supremacists published newsletters that fostered community for subscribers.


But the internet has created new ways for those communities to recruit and build. And it’s happening faster than it did before. Daniels began to notice this in the 1990s, when she saw white supremacists launching websites that appeared to be tributes to Martin Luther King Jr., but linked people to documents designed to undermine King’s legacy and build suspicion about the civil rights movement. Today,
the same kind of “idea laundering” happens on Twitter, where extremists use trending hashtags to link their ideas to mainstream ones.
 
There’s a mass shooting every few weeks but we are still knee-jerk reacting. Sure, whatever.

I would welcome a knee jerk reaction but unfortunately all we get is talk for a few days then nothing! If we did nothing of significance after 1st graders got gunned down with a Bushmaster XM-15 you (3rd person) have to be a Pollyanna to expect anything now. :frown:
 
great Wired article on interesting correlations with lax gun laws and mass shootings

https://www.wired.com/story/the-looser-a-states-gun-laws-the-more-mass-shootings-it-has/?verso=true

t happened again. This time, gunmen in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, murdered 31 people and injured at least 50 more in separate mass shooting attacks within 13 hours of each other Saturday night and Sunday morning. It was, in many ways, just another weekend in America, the only nation in the developed world where horrific gun massacres regularly occur. Though nothing new, the frequency of such public mass shootings appears to have accelerated over the past five years, along with larger and more tragic death tolls. According to one recent analysis by The Washington Post, a mass shooting event has claimed the lives of four or more people every 47 days since June 2015. In the mid-’90s, such attacks happened just twice a year, on average.

But this surge in public executions has not swept across all corners of the country equally. Hawaii, for instance, hasn’t seen a mass shooting since 1999. Florida, on the other hand, has had six such incidents, defined by the US government as four or more people killed by a single individual, in the past three years alone, according to data from the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive. And like other forms of gun violence—including homicide, suicide, and unintended accidents—researchers are finding that mass shooting events happen more often in states with looser gun laws.
Because while Congress may not have passed any national gun laws in the aftermath of past mass shootings, individual state legislatures have. And as the disparity between states with weak gun laws and those with tough ones has widened, so too has the gap in mass shootings. Which means that terrorist acts like those committed in El Paso and Dayton over the weekend are more likely to keep happening to people who live in places where it’s easy to buy, sell, and carry guns. The country is splitting into the gun law haves and the gun law have-nots, and deadly statistics are now revealing the impact those policy decisions have on people’s lives.
 
https://www.insider.com/dayton-shooting-gun-was-am-15-anderson-manufacturing-2019-8

Can we agree that this kind of magazine should be illegal?


The weapon and its extended magazine used by deceased mass shooting suspect Connor Betts of Bellbrook, Ohio appears in a powerpoint presentation released by police in Dayton, Ohio on August 4, 2019. Dayton Police Department handout via Reuters

5d498a5636e03c12110448f2-750-420.jpg
 
First of all, this is just another senseless tragedy. My heart goes out to those affected by these events.
I am a gun supporter.
I do think something has to be done somehow to at least try to identify people who may have mental defects and such. I don't know how to exactly go about it without the gvt getting involved and going way overboard.
I will agree that advertising weapons of any type need to be regulated to the point where they are not glamorized as killing machines and such.
In the right hands firearms can be used for good such as for hunting to bring food home for families and defending your home.
Even though I could, I do not choose to open cary a weapon and do not choose to cary a concealed weapon except in circumstances where my wife and daughter may be travelling with me (especially at night).
I do not believe that the guns are necesarilly the largest part of the problem. I also think the term "assault" weapon is used a little too much. By definition any weapon used to do harm to someone is an assault weapon as it is used to assault someone. I understand why the term is used the way it is, though.
Could we also possibly try to really crack down on the availabillity of illegal guns? Can the parents be held accountable for the actions of a minor who uses a weapon to kill someone? provided there is enough evidence to show that the parent should have known that the minor child had access to weapons in the house or was exibiting signs of mental illness/bad anger issues.
What do we do about the adults who already possess weapons legally and then start to have issues? Mental illness can be very unpredictable.
My appologies as these questions have probably been addressed earlier in this thread but I didn't go back thru it all to see.
 
Hey, I'm with you - I have an AR pattern rifle, but it would only be my choice to defend my home if I didn't have a pistol or shotgun handy. I think AR rifles are largely unnecessary in the US.


My point here is that you literally have an estimated 100+ million AR rifles in the US and literally a few are used for ill annually

I had no idea but I cannot find anything to substantiate these numbers. I literally know of three people who own AR rifles and one guy owns two.

how many deaths does it take before these rifles are safe?

I’m not sure I understand the question. I assume you mean so few deaths are caused by AR rifles relative to other kinds of firearms that they are safe by comparison. If that is your point, I don’t understand what one has to do with the other. I’m just trying to make it harder to mass murder people.

If your point is that no lives lives would be saved by banning these AR guns, that sounds like a guess. If you’re wrong, it costs lives. If I’m wrong, it’s kept millions of people from having a good time with a sporting gun. The second amendment is safe.

Remember, VT was all pistols. A vast (and I mean VAST) majority of people killed int he US every year are killed with pistols, yet people focus on the AR due to these few horrific incidents. It just seems a bit disingenuous, honestly.
Like it or not, the AR (ArmaLite Rifle) looks to some of us like a weapon meant to kill people rather than squirrels, rabbits, ground hogs, and deer. It just doesn’t look like a hunting rifle and the military look, style, and efficiency of the gun may be what is prompting some of these assassins to choose this style of gun. So the emotional why has this particular style of weapon been chosen multiple times in mass shootings becomes part of the equation.

I realize pistols kill the most people, but the AR seems to be the weapon of choice for some of these mass murderers.
I guess the sticking point for many is that we're talking about curtailing (to what degree is up for debate - I could live without my AR, no problem - I literally only use it for fun at the range) an enumerated right that is enjoyed by millions and millions of people over what amounts to a rare occurrence. Again, these shootings are horrific, but according tot he FBI, more people are killed with hammers and baseball bats each year than AR rifles.

But there is no history of mass murder happening consistently with hammers and baseball bats. We’re trying to address these specific types of events that keep occurring with this AR rifle.

So for some folks, "what harm can it do" doesn't make the cut wrt curtailing the right to keep and bear arms.

I’m simply trying to make mass murder less efficient. The reasons I’ve come across that people want these type guns pale in comparison to the tragedy of loss of life, loss of loved ones, and the frustration felt by every citizen who does not understand why this type of gun is legal in the first place, and why nothing is being done to make them illegal. For me, it has zero to do with the second amendment.



Note - I'm simply sharing what some of my firearm-owning friends think about this. They look around and see so much more happening and wonder why people are so fixated on one statistically tiny aspect of the gun violence problem in the US.
I’m about eight beers in, sitting in a motel room after having driven 650 miles today. So if some of this makes no sense, I’m not surprised.:blush: Be that as it may, no hunting rifle needs a large capacity magazine. That restriction may be a good place to start. But IMO, the very appearance of the AR gun should not be underestimated.
 
I'll throw my two cents in. IMO, all automatic weapons should be banned (except in the military). Only bolt action, pump action, lever action, or single shot shotguns and rifles should be legal. For handguns, only 6 shot revolvers should be legal. I know the bad guys will still get automatic weapons through the black market, but thats another fight that will have to be resolved.
 
I'll throw my two cents in. IMO, all automatic weapons should be banned (except in the military). Only bolt action, pump action, lever action, or single shot shotguns and rifles should be legal. For handguns, only 6 shot revolvers should be legal. I know the bad guys will still get automatic weapons through the black market, but thats another fight that will have to be resolved.

There is absolutely a lot to be overcome but I have always felt that if we stop distributing semi-automatic weapons so broadly the black market will become so expensive that the price alone will serve to restrict purchase to the unemployed nut job who wakes up in the morning and decides to go on a shooting rampage.
 
Well, the argument could become moot if what I heard on NPR this morning is true. Apparently there is some hope from gun rights supporters/lobbyists(missed the 1st part of the story so i missed who exactly they were talking about) that this Supreme Court could overturn many of the gun laws already in place.
 
I'll throw my two cents in. IMO, all automatic weapons should be banned (except in the military). Only bolt action, pump action, lever action, or single shot shotguns and rifles should be legal. For handguns, only 6 shot revolvers should be legal. I know the bad guys will still get automatic weapons through the black market, but thats another fight that will have to be resolved.
Well your problems are solved because they are already banned unless you have a special permit.
 
Well your problems are solved because they are already banned unless you have a special permit.
You know he means "semi-automatic." :D I'm on Kahr Arms email list, since I have a 9mm by them. This AM, I got an email notice that Thompson Auto-Ordnance has a new special edition 9mm. It's called "Special Edition Trump-Thompson"...
 
LaPierre called Trump Tuesday and told him supporting expanded background checks would not go over well with his base. Nothing is going to change in Washington concerning gun control.
 
Advertisement

Trending content

Advertisement

Latest threads