Thoughts on QB situation after Game 5?

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I’ve seen Sayin play, and I will admit, he looks very impressive. And I certainly hope he rolls into spring practice and performs so well that the locks up the #1 role. But just remember, there is big step up from high school to power 5 football the same as moving from college to the NFL. It’s a bunch of pressure to just come in and compete as a freshman. I just hesitate to add to those expectations for 17 or 18 year kid.

I think we’d had similar expectations with Simpson, Barnett, Bateman among others all the way back to Phillip Sims. Not predicting the same with Julian, but it does happen.

I certainly hope Lonergan continues to progress as we move into next year. I don’t see Simpson hanging around. But if I was Saban I would be looking to the portal for the best, proven QB available.

Regarding Simpson, there were obvious weaknesses in his HS game film that was chalked up to bad OL play that now that he's in college, wasn't completely the OL's fault. Sayings film, looks much superior than Simpsons, IMO.
 
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Touché - that was a good one!

Notes on QB play…

Milroe is gradually getting better as he gets more comfortable which comes with experience. I’m good with that. MSU kept two safeties deep all game long. It was a wise strategy. Milroe’s deep ball is dangerous. The threat of a QB run makes the safeties creep up and then he hits em over the top. MSU actually did a great job of taking that away and making him do something different. That’s why he stood in the pocket so long and then scrambled a lot. Which also showed some OL pass-blocking improvement (or MSU has no rush - I’m not sure on that one). He also hit several intermediate throws in front of the safeties.

After watching it again Sunday I liked what I saw - incremental improvement.

If we gameplan QB runs, RPOs and no long-developing plays tomorrow, I like our chances.
 
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Touché - that was a good one!

Notes on QB play…

Milroe is gradually getting better as he gets more comfortable which comes with experience. I’m good with that. MSU kept two safeties deep all game long. It was a wise strategy. Milroe’s deep ball is dangerous. The threat of a QB run makes the safeties creep up and then he hits em over the top. MSU actually did a great job of taking that away and making him do something different. That’s why he stood in the pocket so long and then scrambled a lot. Which also showed some OL pass-blocking improvement (or MSU has no rush - I’m not sure on that one). He also hit several intermediate throws in front of the safeties.

After watching it again Sunday I liked what I saw - incremental improvement.

If we gameplan QB runs RPOs and no long-developing plays tomorrow, I like our chances.

One more note…

With two safeties deep we could have run every play and forced them to change the defense but we did call about 20 pass plays which shows me we were determined to be balanced which provided Milroe the opportunity to gain the much needed experience
 
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Are there any recruits of that caliber, other than possibly Sayin, headed to T Town?
If not, wouldn't that make the point moot? I mean most these guys were recruited when Bryce Young was playing at Alabama, so do you know of a lot of guys who suddenly de-committed or something that I'm unaware of?

I just saw the predictions last time and they were way, way off in fact what happened was better talent than ever came in, and then when Alabama had a string of remarkable talent at the QB position (Tua, Mac, then Young) they seem to have, by your own account dropped off in terms of roping in all those guys?

May be correlation isn't as direct as some would think...
 
If not, wouldn't that make the point moot? I mean most these guys were recruited when Bryce Young was playing at Alabama, so do you know of a lot of guys who suddenly de-committed or something that I'm unaware of?

I just saw the predictions last time and they were way, way off in fact what happened was better talent than ever came in, and then when Alabama had a string of remarkable talent at the QB position (Tua, Mac, then Young) they seem to have, by your own account dropped off in terms of roping in all those guys?

May be correlation isn't as direct as some would think...

Well there are a good number of recruits that are coming that have said a major reason is because we got sayin. There are also a number of guys on our current roster that went because Simpson and Sayin were looked at down the line.

Receivers want to play for a quarterback that gets them the ball. They don’t want to just dress out and block.
 
Well there are a good number of recruits that are coming that have said a major reason is because we got sayin. There are also a number of guys on our current roster that went because Simpson and Sayin were looked at down the line.

Receivers want to play for a quarterback that gets them the ball. They don’t want to just dress out and block.
Either way, the Hurts will negatively impact recruiting those positions predictions turned out to be way off because Alabama in fact ended up with the most talent it ever had at both QB and WR.

Then, in the midst of having Heisman caliber QBs, Alabama somehow managed to find itself with a lack of recruited talent at the QB and WR position. I mean look at last year, Alabama returned a Heisman QB and they didn't even have a 700 yard receiver.

That sure isn't Hurts or Milroe's fault...
 
Either way, the Hurts will negatively impact recruiting those positions predictions turned out to be way off because Alabama in fact ended up with the most talent it ever had at both QB and WR.

Then, in the midst of having Heisman caliber QBs, Alabama somehow managed to find itself with a lack of recruited talent at the QB and WR position. I mean look at last year, Alabama returned a Heisman QB and they didn't even have a 700 yard receiver.

That sure isn't Hurts or Milroe's fault...

Not really… you forget that the wide receiver group revolted after the 2017 aTm game and nearly left because of Hurts. That’s a group that included jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle. It took Locksley to put it down and to convince Saban to give Tua serious looks. Had that happened we are probably in far worse of a situation than what we are currently and without 2 national championships.

If you are saying “Hurts started all but 1 game in 2016, and Tua got here in 2017 so that means it was not affecting recruiting” then I think you are basing it off a very short sample size. Had Saban stayed with Hurts going into 2018 then it’s likely Tua and all those receivers are somewhere else in the fall. Likewise if Sayin and Lonergan doesn’t get serious consideration in 2024 over Milroe then pretty much all of the top notch wide receiver recruits are going somewhere else in 2025.

It’s less about the instant de commitments it’s about the mass exodus of talent and then the closed doors for recruits that it produces.
 
WR’s definitely want to play for a QB they think will get them the ball.

If I remember right the reason we got the 4 Horseman/Rideouts was because of Tua.

They came to catch passes from him.

Several others probably came to play with Bryce but for whatever reason we ‘missed’ to a degree on finding NFL caliber starters from the last few classes.

But whoever we are after this cycle is almost certainly coming in part because of Sayin.
 
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I may be wrong, but I honestly believe Simpson, Buchner, and possibly Holstein enter the transfer portal after the season. Not sure about Milroe, that would leave us with Lonergan
and Sayin. assuming he does not decommit. We won't know about possible transfer QBs who might be interested in Alabama until the same time. This is a serious problem.
Buchner already transferred once so he’d have to sit out a year. Doubt he’ll leave unless he quits football or something
 
Touché - that was a good one!

Notes on QB play…

Milroe is gradually getting better as he gets more comfortable which comes with experience. I’m good with that. MSU kept two safeties deep all game long. It was a wise strategy. Milroe’s deep ball is dangerous. The threat of a QB run makes the safeties creep up and then he hits em over the top. MSU actually did a great job of taking that away and making him do something different. That’s why he stood in the pocket so long and then scrambled a lot. Which also showed some OL pass-blocking improvement (or MSU has no rush - I’m not sure on that one). He also hit several intermediate throws in front of the safeties.

After watching it again Sunday I liked what I saw - incremental improvement.

If we gameplan QB runs, RPOs and no long-developing plays tomorrow, I like our chances.


It was better, but he has to start seeing the crossing route right in front of him. Those guys were wide open all game long and he just kept holding on to the ball.
 
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It was better, but he has to start seeing the crossing route right in front of him. Those guys were wide open all game long and he just kept holding on to the ball.

not just the crossing routes - in the last two games there were guys open ALL OVER the place. Play and route design has actually been pretty good. Milroe just isn't pulling the trigger. Luckily on a few of them something opened up later, but I worry against better defensive teams that won't work.
 
I think with Tua, Mac and Bryce we had QB’s that understood coverages and, based on what they saw could anticipate where the open window in coverage would be. They didn’t necessarily have to “see” the receiver was open.
I think JM isn’t confident in what he is seeing coverage wise enough to “anticipate” and throw to the open spot. He hesitates until he’s sure the receiver is open.

@gtgilbert am I correct in this from your point of view?
 
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