BREAKING trump wins, why?

[Bodhisattva]

Here’s some pictures of a church in Birmingham, just Dems behaving the way they accuse Repubs of behaving:

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Both parties have convinced themselves that they are the “good guys”. There are no good guys.

Tribalists are always nose-blind to their own stink.

 

[81usaf92]

One thing I'm seeing all over the place is the question: "how could women do this to themselves?" People seriously overestimated the abortion issue as it relates to the female vote. There were always going to be consequences to this because:

A: There are a lot of pro-life women. To dismiss them as if they don't exist is one sure-fire way to lose their vote.

B: The whole "men playing women's sports" issue is a cause than many women have been highly concerned about, but again, dismissed by the balloon-heads on TV.

I get it, abortion is a major issue for a lot of people, but clearly there was more at stake than this for voting women across the country. Treating them as single-minded morons wasn't a masterclass move.

They also overlook a strong Catholic base in Wisconsin who is against abortion. It’s a tough issue that only works in immediate circumstances. You can’t base a national election on it. It’s like “Medicare for all”.

 

[rolltide_21]

Democrats chose to run on the awfulness of Trump rather than communicating sound solutions to the nation’s problems as perceived by everyday Americans. Feeding their family and having a secure personal future are always going be the primary motivations for people in our country. These things were of such great concern that they chose to hope for the best when it comes to Trump’s autocratic intentions, which for most people are just words that they don’t feel will affect them.

Republicans emphasized the fears, discomfort, and stress of the populace, stating (without much substance) that they could change things. That was enough to beat the Democratic message, which seemed to be that they’d only offer more of the same - and that people should be satisfied with that.

Well said. I was about to post something similar. You are spot on.

 

[cbi1972]

Here’s some pictures of a church in Birmingham, just Dems behaving the way they accuse Repubs of behaving:

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Both parties have convinced themselves that they are the “good guys”. There are no good guys.

"My people perish for lack of knowledge"

That's quite the admission for a church sign board.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Because he went against a horribly ran campaign.

I know we have a few posters that will never let anything be said on the lines “Blame the Democrats” but after losing twice to a man like Trump… how can you not?

The truth is that we are firmly a center right electorate. And I’m sure I’m going to get some random poll that suggests we are progressive or that young people matter in an election but the cold hard truth is that the people who vote are old, white, and religious not young, educated, and progressive. The same people who were energized to vote for Reagan, Bush, and Bill are the ones that are energized to get to the voting booth to vote on the economy, past fears, and for Israel.

In short… the Democrats made two fatal mistakes. 1) they believed that the midterms showed that abortion was a major national issue that could give them the White House and basically based 2024 around it. And 2) they allowed Biden to run unopposed with no back up plan. For the latter it was obvious to anyone that wasn’t so drunk on the DNC punch that Biden was going to have trouble winning for the past two years. There should have been a plan B and potentially a Plan C. Pushing a bad candidate in from 2020 unopposed on short notice was not ever going be a good strategy. And anyone that was being realistic knew that. I’m not shocked that Trump won. I’m shocked how easily he did it.

TBH I think the Democrats would do better in presidential elections by cutting the progressives out of the party and going back to the right like they did after the Reagan dynasty. But they have expanded to the left every election because they thought 2008 was a sign of the future of American political belief.

All this "I love democracy, but the public is stupid" crying is amusing. The tribalists will never do any self-reflection. The same crowd that witnessed Biden crap himself publicly for years maintained he was sharp as a tack and just had a stutter ... until it was too late. Undeserved hubris and thinking inside the bubble cost the Dems everything.

Well said. 81 and Bodhi. I especially liked the recognition that the electorate as a whole is center-right and the Democrats refused to acknowledge that.

For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that they would win easily without that (*&%&^ Electoral College, they lost the popular vote. So having no EC wouldn't have helped.

Lost the popular vote for President -- to a dispicable unhinged human being. It's really not that close in the EC (as I write this, not fully done, but looking like about 57% to 43%) . Lost the Senate. Doesn't look like they took the HoR.

If the Republicans take the HoR, that combination is most concerning to me. Regardless of whether Trump or Harris won, I was hoping for the opposing party to have at least one house of Congress, and thereby act as a check on an overreaching President. Still TBD, but it doesn't look like that happened.

But calling people stupid isn't the recommended way to get them over to your side. It's time to stop trashing the voters and start looking at the message they send.

In no particular order, here are the blunders I see in the Harris campaign:
- She never really repudiated the far-left policies she espoused when she ran for President in 2020.

- She never articulated a plan beyond platitudes around "moving forward" and talking about an undefined "vision for the future." For goodness sake, for the first couple of weeks of her campaign, her main theme was Joy. Even the blue-friendly media rolled their eyes at that.

- Instead, she ran on Trump being the bogeyman, and she's not him, and oh BTW -- she's in favor of abortion.

I don't think it's one issue that the Democrats are tone-deaf on. It's an overall view that government is the solution for everything. That has several symptoms that collectively send a message of not being (or even valuing) an America that a center-right electorate wants.

In no particular order, here are the issues I see with the overall Democratic message, in no way limited to Kamala Harris' campaign:

- We need the economic growth that immigrants bring. But effectively open borders are neither the way to achieve that nor what the electorate wants. I thought it was hilarious when hard blue states started crying foul when Texas and Arizona started shipping undocumented immigrants for them to deal with. Virtue signalling of the first order about being Sanctuary Cities, illegally blocking ICE agents, etc......until you have to actually deal with it like the people your policies affected on a day-to-day basis.

- Denial of economic reality doesn't comport with what the population wants. For example, if you want to decrease the cost of housing, maybe you should consider increasing the supply by removing some of the costs imposed by regulation -- looking at you, California (which, unsurprisingly has some of the highest construction costs in the country). Or rent control's penny-wise and pound-foolish effects -- looking at you, New York.

- Incessantly playing identity politics has exhausted the public. Blaming the country's ills on white people, men (especially old white ones), systemic racism, a lack of reparations for slavery, the rich, all the trash that votes for the other party, etc., etc., is hardly the unifying message they claimed to be sending.

- Defund The Police was an idea in which Mr. Magoo could see the flaws. It scared the pants off most of the population, and did the most harm to minority communities it purported to help. Now a lot of cities who did that are walking it back. Surprise, surprise, surprise, they're having trouble recruiting new police.

- If you don't want to trigger inflation, maybe don't inject $9 Trillion mostly borrowed dollars into the economy. The first COVID package was absolutely necessary. The second was too big, and the third was pure pork. We're still paying the price for that.

- Don't try to pass off toys for everybody under the heading of the Inflation Reduction Act. How in the world is a debt-funded giveaway anti-inflationary?

- Don't tell the public that if the judiciary doesn't give you what you want, you might just pack the Supreme Court and take it anyway.

Again, it's not one issue. It's the collective weight of all of them -- on which the Democratic Party in general and Kamala Harris in particular was deafeningly silent.

On that last one, with the reds in charge of the White House and the Senate, expect Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito to retire about 8AM January 21, with similar replacements sailing through a friendly Senate -- and sitting for another 20 - 30 years.

Expect a bunch of other aging Republican judges on more junior federal courts to retire about the same time and be replaced by people who will be sitting for 20+ more years.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Well said. 81 and Bodhi. I especially liked the recognition that the electorate as a whole is center-right and the Democrats refused to acknowledge that.

For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that they would win easily without that (*&%&^ Electoral College, they lost the popular vote. So having no EC wouldn't have helped.

Lost the popular vote for President -- to a dispicable unhinged human being. It's really not that close in the EC (as I write this, not fully done, but looking like about 57% to 43%) . Lost the Senate. Doesn't look like they took the HoR.

If the Republicans take the HoR, that combination is most concerning to me. Regardless of whether Trump or Harris won, I was hoping for the opposing party to have at least one house of Congress, and thereby act as a check on an overreaching President. Still TBD, but it doesn't look like that happened.

But calling people stupid isn't the recommended way to get them over to your side. It's time to stop trashing the voters and start looking at the message they send.

In no particular order, here are the blunders I see in the Harris campaign:
- She never really repudiated the far-left policies she espoused when she ran for President in 2020.

- She never articulated a plan beyond platitudes around "moving forward" and talking about an undefined "vision for the future." For goodness sake, for the first couple of weeks of her campaign, her main theme was Joy. Even the blue-friendly media rolled their eyes at that.

- Instead, she ran on Trump being the bogeyman, and she's not him, and oh BTW -- she's in favor of abortion.

I don't think it's one issue that the Democrats are tone-deaf on. It's several that collectively send a message of not being (or even valuing) an America that a center-right electorate wants.

In no particular order, here are the issues I see with the overall Democratic message, in no way limited to Kamala Harris' campaign:

- We need the economic growth that immigrants bring. But effectively open borders are neither the way to achieve that nor what the electorate wants. I thought it was hilarious when hard blue states started crying foul when Texas and Arizona started shipping undocumented immigrants for them to deal with. Virtue signalling of the first order about being Sanctuary Cities, illegally blocking ICE agents, etc......until you have to actually deal with it like the people your policies affected on a day-to-day basis.

- Denial of economic reality doesn't comport with what the population wants. For example, if you want to decrease the cost of housing, maybe you should consider increasing the supply by removing some of the costs imposed by regulation -- looking at you, California (which, unsurprisingly has some of the highest construction costs in the country). Or rent control's penny-wise and pound-foolish effects -- looking at you, New York.

- Incessantly playing identity politics has exhausted the public. Blaming the country's ills on white people, men (especially old white ones), systemic racism, a lack of reparations for slavery, the rich, all the trash that votes for the other party, etc., etc., is hardly the unifying message they claimed to be sending.

- Defund The Police was an idea in which Mr. Magoo could see the flaws. It scared the pants off most of the population, and did the most harm to minority communities is purported to help. Now a lot of cities who did that are walking it back. Surprise, surprise, surprise, they're having trouble recruiting new police.

- If you don't want to trigger inflation, maybe don't inject $9 Trillion dollars into the economy. The first COVID package was absolutely necessary. The second was too big, and the third was pure pork. We're still paying the price for that.

- Don't try to pass off toys for everybody under the heading of the Inflation Reduction Act. How in the world is a debt-funded giveaway anti-inflationary?

- Don't tell the public that if the judiciary doesn't give you what you want, you might just pack the Supreme Court and take it anyway.

Again, it's not one issue. It's the collective weight of all of them -- on which the Democratic Party in general and Kamala Harris in particular was deafeningly silent.

On that last one, with the reds in charge of the White House and the Senate, expect Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito to retire about 8AM January 21, with similar replacements sailing through a friendly Senate -- and sitting for another 20 - 30 years.

Expect a bunch of other aging Republican judges on more junior federal courts to retire about the same time and be replaced by people who will be sitting for 20+ more years.

Excellent post! You pretty much covered everything in one shot. The Dems are just dumb, dumb, dumb on so many issues that resonate with the middle of the country. Oddly enough, calling those who aren't hard left fascists/Nazis/garbage/scumbags/etc. is not a way to get their votes (or at least sit out the election). As I've said, there is no self-reflection at all. For those who claim to be so smart on politics, not being able to look in the mirror seems less-than-smart. 🤷‍♂️

 

[jthomas666]

IMO, Kamala didn't distance herself enough from the most recent idiot. 🤷‍♂️

Probably the single biggest error. The energy and optimism were great, but she needed to differentiate her policies from Biden's.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Probably the single biggest error. The energy and optimism were great, but she needed to differentiate her policies from Biden's.

Agreed. The way the party and donors rallied around her in a short amount of time was impressive. But the substance wasn't there. I'm not sure if that's just who she is or if a full campaign would have given her time to make a more compelling argument. Now we're stuck with Trump. Sigh.

 

[TexasBama]

Excellent post! You pretty much covered everything in one shot. The Dems are just dumb, dumb, dumb on so many issues that resonate with the middle of the country. Oddly enough, calling those who aren't hard left fascists/Nazis/garbage/scumbags/etc. is not a way to get their votes (or at least sit out the election). As I've said, there is no self-reflection at all. For those who claim to be so smart on politics, not being able to look in the mirror seems less-than-smart. 🤷‍♂️

I think you 4Q and 81 have hit most of it, and I’m too busy to get into much this morning, but I will say that if the Democrat Party was a coach, they would be Bill Curry

 

[cdub55]

As it turns out, acting and talking as if you are intellectually and culturally superior to an entire political ideologies sector, while basing most of your stance in fear mongering, is not the greatest game plan to win an election.

 

[spidermayin]

As it turns out, acting and talking as if you are intellectually and culturally superior to an entire political ideologies sector, while basing most of your stance in fear mongering, is not the greatest game plan to win an election.

You do realize that's what Trump did with most of his political ads correct? It seemed to work for him, unfortunately.

 

[TexasBama]

“This is a historic disaster of Biblical proportions. The Democratic Party, as it is, is dead. This is a historic realignment. There were Reagan Democrats. Now there are Trump Democrats,” said Chris Kofinis, a Democratic strategist and former chief of staff to centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.).

“The elites of this country alienated voters everywhere because they didn’t want to hear what working and middle class voters were screaming for four years—focus on us and our problems, not your agenda to destroy Trump,” Kofinis said

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/kamala-harris-democrats-2024-election-loss-3b3b9c30

 

[AlexanderFan]

As it turns out, acting and talking as if you are intellectually and culturally superior to an entire political ideologies sector, while basing most of your stance in fear mongering, is not the greatest game plan to win an election.

And it’s only gotten louder this morning.

I’m surprised I was able to get dressed and be on time for work after Kamala lost the election.

Trump has two years potentially to audition for the last two of his term. Dems have two years to regroup. By the end of Trump’s term he will have alienated everyone who wants to work with him now. The country will cycle back to Dems, who will immediately put a lizard identifying giraffe as Secretary of Defense, and the process will repeat itself over and over.

The last four years were crazy, I don’t expect the next four to be any better.

 

[AlexanderFan]

You do realize that's what Trump did with most of his political ads correct? It seemed to work for him, unfortunately.

You can do that when you’re not in office. That’s how the election was won last go round.

 

[Bamaro]

Excellent post! You pretty much covered everything in one shot. The Dems are just dumb, dumb, dumb on so many issues that resonate with the middle of the country. Oddly enough, calling those who aren't hard left fascists/Nazis/garbage/scumbags/etc. is not a way to get their votes (or at least sit out the election) As I've said, there is no self-reflection at all. For those who claim to be so smart on politics, not being able to look in the mirror seems less-than-smart. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe not but I fear that we just elected someone who checks most of the boxes for fascist.

 

[TexasBama]

If the Democrats are smart, they start working towards Shapiro for 2028. But they’re not smart.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Maybe not but I fear that we just elected someone who checks most of the boxes for fascist.

And he was chosen over what the Dems offered up, LET THAT SINK IN is what people are trying to say.

The same middle that left Trump in 2020 went back to him.

This is the part where you predictably call them dumb.

 

[Bamaro]

And he was chosen over what the Dems offered up, LET THAT SINK IN is what people are trying to say.

The same middle that left Trump in 2020 went back to him.

This is the part where you predictably call them dumb.

Now's the time to call them dumb, which many are, not before an election.

 

[lowend]

I think the Democrats massively misjudged how poorly transexualism being forced on us plays in black and Hispanic cultures and that caused some some of those demographics, particularly males, to break for Trump.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I think the Democrats massively misjudged how poorly transexualism being forced on us plays in black and Hispanic cultures and that caused some some of those demographics, particularly males, to break for Trump.

That's a good point. I'm flabbergasted that Dems seem unaware that the Latinos coming here are Catholic and not the watered-down western flavor of Catholicism.