Trump's Attack on the First Amendment

[Huckleberry]

they are effective at breaking things and enriching themselves

Also pretty good at getting people to ignore, dismiss, or make excuses for Trump’s unconstitutional/illegal activities

 

[Tidewater]

I did not like it when the Biden Administration did it and I do not like it when the Trump Administration does it.
I would not say I am a 1st Amendment absolutist, but I'm pretty close.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

REPORT: As America grieved Charlie Kirk’s death, California rammed through one of the harshest censorship bills in U.S. history.

SB 771 gives the state sweeping power to police online speech—with penalties so crushing they could bankrupt ordinary citizens.

Lawmakers approved $500,000 fines for “hateful” posts, and $1 million for willful violations. In under a week, the bill shot through both chambers and now sits on Gavin Newsom’s desk. If signed, politicians—not the people—will decide which words are allowed, and which could destroy your life.

This isn’t just a California problem. The same playbook is already silencing dissent in the UK and Canada. And disturbingly, Trump allies like Pam Bondi echoed similar “hate speech” rhetoric just days earlier.

Free speech dies when both parties weaponize tragedy for control. The choice is clear: push back now—or the First Amendment will disappear.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971007432118702093

 

[Huckleberry]

REPORT: As America grieved Charlie Kirk’s death, California rammed through one of the harshest censorship bills in U.S. history.

SB 771 gives the state sweeping power to police online speech—with penalties so crushing they could bankrupt ordinary citizens.

Lawmakers approved $500,000 fines for “hateful” posts, and $1 million for willful violations. In under a week, the bill shot through both chambers and now sits on Gavin Newsom’s desk. If signed, politicians—not the people—will decide which words are allowed, and which could destroy your life.

This isn’t just a California problem. The same playbook is already silencing dissent in the UK and Canada. And disturbingly, Trump allies like Pam Bondi echoed similar “hate speech” rhetoric just days earlier.

Free speech dies when both parties weaponize tragedy for control. The choice is clear: push back now—or the First Amendment will disappear.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971007432118702093

I’m still reading over this legislation, but there is at least one error in the post itself. The fines don’t apply to individuals, only to the social media platforms whose algorithms promote posts that violate existing civil rights laws.

I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with any or all of the bill yet, but I did want to correct that error.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

That law should be struck down by the SCOTUS. I'm against any law attempting to control our speech, even speech we may find offensive, nasty, disgusting, or ugly. I'm also against any law that attempts to punish the sites, like TideFans, for the speech posted, because essentially the endgame goal is the same: to block the speech.

The only speech that I think is criminal, whether it is online or in person, is threats of violence/bodily harm.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I’m still reading over this legislation, but there is at least one error in the post itself. The fines don’t apply to individuals, only to the social media platforms whose algorithms promote posts that violate existing civil rights laws.

I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with any or all of the bill yet, but I did want to correct that error.

It's an ongoing problem. The only way to know all the accurate details of a bill is to read the damn thing yourself. One cannot trust the media to give an unslanted presentation of the details without misrepresenting parts of it or leaving out other parts altogether.

 

[Its On A Slab]

#1 We must have watched two different clips. I thought this was about the Charlie Kirk assassination comments. Not the POTUS.

That aside......in my mind he did apologize but in his own way. Which is fine with me and I suspect most others.

I think his opening monologue was just fine and addressed what was needed

#2 People apologize for things all the time that they don't NEED to. They do so for a number of reasons. An effort to deescalate things, they just want to move on, or maybe they just want to take the high road - regardless of all the arguments for or against.

I've done it on this very forum before. (looking me over).....hmmm....didn't seem to take too much of a toll!

#3 "Legion of Karens"......ha ha good one! Amazing how offended people get sometimes!

I am not a late-night TV watcher, but I did see the "offending" monologue. He mocked the President's oafish actions adjacent to the tragedy. He didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk. But I guess he wasn't worshipful enough.

And like I said, the Legion Of Karens probably submitted complaints en masse to the FCC, Sinclair, and hte other big conglomerate.

Kimmel is a comedian. I'm glad George Carlin isn't alive to see this kind of craziness. He would have been doxxed long ago.

 

[92tide]

I am not a late-night TV watcher, but I did see the "offending" monologue. He mocked the President's oafish actions adjacent to the tragedy. He didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk. But I guess he wasn't worshipful enough.

And like I said, the Legion Of Karens probably submitted complaints en masse to the FCC, Sinclair, and hte other big conglomerate.

Kimmel is a comedian. I'm glad George Carlin isn't alive to see this kind of craziness. He would have been doxxed long ago.

dear leader must never be questioned

 

[JDCrimson]

In the coming age, I think we need to differentiate between speech from a person an artificially generated. I believe we should preserve free speech of people but artificially generated speech should be controlled.

 

[Bazza]

I am not a late-night TV watcher, but I did see the "offending" monologue. He mocked the President's oafish actions adjacent to the tragedy. He didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk. But I guess he wasn't worshipful enough.

And like I said, the Legion Of Karens probably submitted complaints en masse to the FCC, Sinclair, and hte other big conglomerate.

Kimmel is a comedian. I'm glad George Carlin isn't alive to see this kind of craziness. He would have been doxxed long ago.

Like I said - his comment was about the assassination and in particular the assassin - that he was probably from the MAGA camp.

In his monologue on Monday, Kimmel said the "Maga gang" was "desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" and of trying to "score political points from it".

Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments

The late-night host criticised the Republican response to the killing and his suspension came after pressure from the regulator.

www.bbc.com

He did go on to insult Trump as well, but the part where I felt he was out of line was his implication about the assassin being MAGA. Something that turned out to be factually incorrect.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I am not a late-night TV watcher, but I did see the "offending" monologue. He mocked the President's oafish actions adjacent to the tragedy. He didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk. But I guess he wasn't worshipful enough.

And like I said, the Legion Of Karens probably submitted complaints en masse to the FCC, Sinclair, and hte other big conglomerate.

Kimmel is a comedian. I'm glad George Carlin isn't alive to see this kind of craziness. He would have been doxxed long ago.

I don't normally watch then either. I may watch Kimmel's monologue before switching over to Youtube. However, I also happened to watch and, afterwards, I was asking myself what the brouhaha was about. Trump's handling was appalling, changing the topic so quickly from Kirk. I finally concluded that Kimmel was being pilloried for pointing out Trump's antics...

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I don't normally watch then either. I may watch Kimmel's monologue before switching over to Youtube. However, I also happened to watch and, afterwards, I was asking myself what the brouhaha was about. Trump's handling was appalling, changing the topic so quickly from Kirk. I finally concluded that Kimmel was being pilloried for pointing out Trump's antics...

No, I'm pretty sure it was the attempt to paint the assassin as a MAGA. No one with a thimble's worth of sense is going to believe that, but they kept trying. Think about it, if someone kept trying to make you believe something as ridiculous as it is outrageous, the implication is that the person insisting on it thinks you're stupid enough to believe it. Why else would they try so hard? See, that's the insulting part. I'm not as upset with their dishonesty half as much as I am with their obvious belief that we're a bunch of morons. That's the part that makes my anus tighten with anger. It seems to me that most of us would feel that way.

To be truthful, I thought Kimmel's joke about the "construction stage" of grief was pretty funny and landed well.

 

[Its On A Slab]

I don't normally watch then either. I may watch Kimmel's monologue before switching over to Youtube. However, I also happened to watch and, afterwards, I was asking myself what the brouhaha was about. Trump's handling was appalling, changing the topic so quickly from Kirk. I finally concluded that Kimmel was being pilloried for pointing out Trump's antics...

And name me a President that hasn't been lampooned.

His thin skin is indicative of MAGA Nation. Anything that wasn't slovenly worshipful of Charlie Kirk was deemed worthy of doxxing.

Even many right-wingers are starting to see that we are re-entering an age of McCarthyism. Hopefully an Edward R Murrow will arise and call bull hockey on it. (Mods, please edit my post if bull hockey isn't allowed).

 

[Bazza]

I really miss the golden age of political satire......when everyone had a good laugh no matter what team you played for.......

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I really miss the golden age of political satire......when everyone had a good laugh no matter what team you played for.......

Man that is an All-Time SNL skit.

Phil Hartman was Brilliant.

I agree people need a better sense of humor and 70s, 80s, and 90s SNL was the 1st thing I thought about when this whole Kimmel thing started.

SNL just absolutely lampooned every President back then and both parties.

I can’t even imagine what Norm Macdonald would have said on Weekend Update the last few months.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Phil Hartman was Brilliant.

He was POTUS in one of the greatest political satires of all time. It's an HBO original movie called "The Second Civil War" (which for some retarded reason isn't on Max.) The Second Civil War is a satirical black comedy directed by Joe Dante. The film details the build-up to an ethnically fueled civil war in an alternate future United States as a result of unsustainably excessive immigration, political self-interest, and ratings-pursuing news media. (In other words, all the **** we're dealing with RIGHT NOW. This film was prophetic.

 

[Bazza]

Phil Hartman was Brilliant.

Hartman was one of the best ever. Here he is as Ted Kennedy....

 

[Bamaro]

Hartman was one of the best ever. Here he is as Ted Kennedy....

So why didn't Clinton use the FCC to force SNL off the TV?

 

[Bazza]

So why didn't Clinton use the FCC to force SNL off the TV?

Apples and oranges......

Back then political satire was actually funny and night time entertainment shows were very popular. Ratings were much better than they are today.

 

[81usaf92]

No, I'm pretty sure it was the attempt to paint the assassin as a MAGA. No one with a thimble's worth of sense is going to believe that, but they kept trying. Think about it, if someone kept trying to make you believe something as ridiculous as it is outrageous, the implication is that the person insisting on it thinks you're stupid enough to believe it. Why else would they try so hard? See, that's the insulting part. I'm not as upset with their dishonesty half as much as I am with their obvious belief that we're a bunch of morons. That's the part that makes my anus tighten with anger. It seems to me that most of us would feel that way.

To be truthful, I thought Kimmel's joke about the "construction stage" of grief was pretty funny and landed well.

Well you also have to remember the Trumpers were very quick to try to paint the would be Trump assassin in Pennsylvania as a leftist but we found out if anything he was more likely a Trumper than a Biden supporter. So the question of ideology was legitimate. And Kimmel was right in that Trump supporters were desperately hoping he was a fire breathing leftist.