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RammaJamma10 said:
Back to the idea of Tubby Smith... anyone have any insight on what the real chances of this would be if we have an opening at the end of the year? The thought of Tubby on the sidelines of Coleman Coliseum in red is really exciting to me!
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The memory of Kentucky's collapse on his watch is still fresh on my mind.
 
RammaJamma10 said:
Back to the idea of Tubby Smith... anyone have any insight on what the real chances of this would be if we have an opening at the end of the year? The thought of Tubby on the sidelines of Coleman Coliseum in red is really exciting to me!
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Here's the information you need.... Tubby makes $2.5M a year base with incentives up to $3.3M per year.

Gottfried makes $1M per year.

Do the math - I can't see us hiring a guy at $2.5M right now. My guess is they'll go with someone they can get for $1.2-1.6 who has a lot of upside. Look for a minor team to make a run in the NCAAs who's been there before.... I don't have any names but that's where I bet we'll end up going.
 
RT3413 said:
Here's the information you need.... Tubby makes $2.5M a year base with incentives up to $3.3M per year.

Gottfried makes $1M per year.

Do the math - I can't see us hiring a guy at $2.5M right now. My guess is they'll go with someone they can get for $1.2-1.6 who has a lot of upside. Look for a minor team to make a run in the NCAAs who's been there before.... I don't have any names but that's where I bet we'll end up going.
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This makes sense. BTW, Tubby lost a home game to Purdue last night :eek2:. JK. A minor team that has been there - VCU!
 
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lorange said:
The memory of Kentucky's collapse on his watch is still fresh on my mind.
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It's all relative. In his last two years at Kentucky, Tubby won 22 games each year and got knocked out of the "big dance" in the second round. At UK that's considered a collapse, around here that would get you a raise. :wink:
 
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To correct some on CM, I didn't mean that he would have no influence. His opinion is always sought, but it's just not to the degree I'd assumed. On Tubby, I now think we'll end up with a younger "up-and-comer," rather than a big-time big name. A case can be made that having two big names in an AD at the same time most times leads to trouble. It would take two very special egos to coexist. There aren't many examples of where it has worked, long-term. I don't consider Meyer and Donovan to be "long-term" yet. Anyway, I feel this is the way we'll end up going, and that would rule out the Tubbys, Caliparis, etc...
 
TIDE-HSV said:
To correct some on CM, I didn't mean that he would have no influence. His opinion is always sought, but it's just not to the degree I'd assumed. On Tubby, I now think we'll end up with a younger "up-and-comer," rather than a big-time big name. A case can be made that having two big names in an AD at the same time most times leads to trouble. It would take two very special egos to coexist. There aren't many examples of where it has worked, long-term. I don't consider Meyer and Donovan to be "long-term" yet. Anyway, I feel this is the way we'll end up going, and that would rule out the Tubbys, Caliparis, etc...
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But Earle, is Tubby that big of a name in the "Basketball World". I would consider him a good not great Coach.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
To correct some on CM, I didn't mean that he would have no influence. His opinion is always sought, but it's just not to the degree I'd assumed. On Tubby, I now think we'll end up with a younger "up-and-comer," rather than a big-time big name. A case can be made that having two big names in an AD at the same time most times leads to trouble. It would take two very special egos to coexist. There aren't many examples of where it has worked, long-term. I don't consider Meyer and Donovan to be "long-term" yet. Anyway, I feel this is the way we'll end up going, and that would rule out the Tubbys, Caliparis, etc...
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I agree that the younger "up-and-comer" will be the next head basketball coach at UA. However, that answer greatly disappoints me. It's much more likely that the younger "up-and-comer" will fail than have success. Athletic departments who are willing to make a real committment to basketball go after successful (translation: already proven) coaches. I strongly believe that Alabama will hire a guy with a resume equal to that of Mark Gottfried when he was hired 10+ years ago. If the athletic department does so, it's more likely that the younger "up-and-comer" will flame out (i.e. Stan Heath, Buzz Peterson, Jeff Lebo, Dennis Felton) in a matter of 4 years, than find occassional success (i.e. Gottfried) or electrify a program (i.e. Donovan, Pearl).

The ego of a coach should not carry very much weight. A strongly constructed athletic department with a bright leader should be able to set the parameters and feed both programs. "Football" programs who recently made committments to proven basketball coaches (with some solid egos) would include USC, Ohio State, and WVU. It can be done.
 
Well, whether or not Tubby is a "big name," his compensation certainly falls into that category. And, when I was talking about "big name" coexistence, I was speaking of long-term situations like that, which have been few. "Recent" doesn't apply to what I said, and it probably won't influence what our AD does...
 
One of the shortcomings of being an SEC Basketball School, is that we are thought of as a 2nd Tier Conference by many.......with the Big East, ACC claiming much more media focus. With that said......If we lose CMG, I'd like to see us find someone that will give us more than 4-5 years....so I guess I'm more inclined to find the 30-something that has something to prove!!
 
CajunCrimson said:
One of the shortcomings of being an SEC Basketball School, is that we are thought of as a 2nd Tier Conference by many.......with the Big East, ACC claiming much more media focus. With that said......If we lose CMG, I'd like to see us find someone that will give us more than 4-5 years....so I guess I'm more inclined to find the 30-something that has something to prove!!
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Peaceful coexistence between big coaching names in the two big money sports is not impossible.

In fact, North Carolina offers us a blue(ahem)print. They brought in the best FOOTBALL coach available in Butch Davis and are now paying what is necessary to keep him. Whether he and Williams get along is between them, but Ol' Roy sure supports the football program. In fact, he shows up at all sorts of sporting events -- from football, to women's hoops, to women's and men's soccer, along with baseball. (Does CNS do likewise? I don't really know.).

Say what you will about Carolina, it is a school that clearly wants to be good in everything. (Do we?) As Davis tries to reclaim football respectability, there is no question basketball remains king. Maybe that will drive him away some day. Or maybe he wants to build something that lasts at one of the very best public universities in America.

It's not that Alabama basketball fans are calling for equality. But is it too damn much to ask for some clear signal that the sport even matters anymore? A start might be finding the best coach available and paying him a market rate.

One final point: Given Earle's assertion that C.M.'s influence will be limited, and given what's been allowed to happen around here for the past five years, who would you trust in the athletic department to actually know whether an up-and-comer can coach? Why not just wheel out a spiritual descendant of Hayden Riley and call it a day.

RTR. Sheesh.
 
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would tr dunn be considered a young up and coming coach? he is now with the houston rockets and would be a great coach at bama imo. he is not young but not extremely old either. bama ties. great motivater of defense. could recruit the state/southeast with ease.

my vote is for tr dunn
 
My vote would be for someone who has proven that he can get the job done. Of course, proving it somewhere else doesn't mean much when it comes to SEC schools (how many great coaches did UTK go through before they got Pearl? And has Pearl proven that he can do it in the long haul?).

I would darn sure talk with CM, Wimp, and anyone else who has proven himself in the wars, before making this decision. I just hope that it is a committed decision, whether the new guy is 57 or 30 years old. Every sport at Alabama deserves the best chance of success that we can give it. I want to win. Hopefully the new guy will take us places we've only ever dreamt of.

rtr
 
bamamick said:
My vote would be for someone who has proven that he can get the job done. Of course, proving it somewhere else doesn't mean much when it comes to SEC schools (how many great coaches did UTK go through before they got Pearl? And has Pearl proven that he can do it in the long haul?).

I would darn sure talk with CM, Wimp, and anyone else who has proven himself in the wars, before making this decision. I just hope that it is a committed decision, whether the new guy is 57 or 30 years old. Every sport at Alabama deserves the best chance of success that we can give it. I want to win. Hopefully the new guy will take us places we've only ever dreamt of.

rtr
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Anthony Grant would be my #1 target.
 
I just want a "COACH." You know, one of those guys that makes sure his players are schooled in the fundamentals of the game of bball before they take the court. One who makes the correct in-game adjustments. One who has an offensive philosophy and is willing to shift that if IT DOES NOT WORK. One who teaches his players that they won't catch some disease if they decide to play defense or heaven forbid follow their shot. One who can get his team to actually make a free throw every once in a while, and lastly one who can win at least two road games each year. Maybe I'm asking for too much.
 
Good post eyeshade. You are right about two good programs/coaches co-existing. It certainly can be done. Happened in the 70s at Bama and hopefully will happen again. It makes me very sad to see what's happened to Bama's basketball program. I agree that we need someone who can coach fundamentals and develop a real team. Andy by the way, CNS does go to some other events on campus, I know he was at the December graduation ceremony because we saw him there when my son graduated. RTR
 
BamaHoHo said:
Anthony Grant would be my #1 target.
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Pretty sure that he is being considered but , I would also think there's quite a ways to go before any sort of consensus would be reached on a #1 target .

Earle
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T.R. was a phenomenal player and, from all reports, a man of similar caliber. But he has never been a head coach in what is now quite a long coaching career. I'm not sure stepping into our current situation is the best place for him, or anyone, to start.
 
bamagirlnva said:
Good post eyeshade. You are right about two good programs/coaches co-existing. It certainly can be done. Happened in the 70s at Bama and hopefully will happen again. It makes me very sad to see what's happened to Bama's basketball program. I agree that we need someone who can coach fundamentals and develop a real team. Andy by the way, CNS does go to some other events on campus, I know he was at the December graduation ceremony because we saw him there when my son graduated. RTR
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Thank you, Bama Girl.

Do you get to watch Anthony Grant at all? I'm surprised he's still at VCU, frankly. Maybe he's hanging around for a shot at the UVA job.

Glad the coach showed up at graduation. At this point in my life I'm proud to say that I believe in St. Nick.

RTR
 
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