Game Thread: UCLA @ Oregon

[BamaPokerplayer]

That's all talk that can't be backed up. Florida, USCe, Georgia, LSU, aTm, what are your arguments for these teams being better?

They don't feel the need to come on here and tell us they belong with the big boys.

 

[TideFan in AU]

That's all talk that can't be backed up. Florida, USCe, Georgia, LSU, aTm, what are your arguments for these teams being better? Alabama's carrying the SEC this year.

You're right that the SEC is top heavy this year, but you still have to play good teams in very physical games week in, week out. You aren't playing very many physical teams in the Pac 12. As good as Mariota and your recievers are, they are not talking hits from the highest level of athletes on a regular basis like they are in the SEC. The top 8 - 10 teams in the SEC have defensive talent that is as good as or better than the top 2 teams from other conferences. That is not an opinion - it is a fact. You get beat up over the course of a season. Just look at the number of SEC players that go down with season ending injuries every year. We've lost 2. UGA has lost like 5 or 6. UF has lost 4 players. There are 6 SEC teams playing with backup QB's right now.

That is why Oregon has struggled when they have stepped up and played good SEC teams. In 2010, you were held to 19 points by a very average SEC defense. In 2011, you gave 40 points to a below average SEC offense.

That is point that people from other conference always overlook.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I watched the game a came away thinking Oregon isn't the unstoppable force some are making them out to be. Though their schedule is tougher they don't look any better than Fla St.


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[JIB]

In 2011, you gave 40 points to a below average SEC offense.

LSU in 2011 was by no means a below average SEC offense. They were 2nd in the league in scoring. They averaged more points than Bama.

 

[JIB]

We would probably be a 10-14 point favorite too.

Right now it'd be 6-7.

 

[TideFan in AU]

Awesome how no one gives any credit to our D even after tonight. It must be that their offense is just so awful, even though it's been one of the best in the nation for most of the year. But that's to be expected, this isn't a duck board.

What do you mean EVEN after tonight? Stanford held them to 10 points last week, after up giving 28 to Washington and 27 to Utah. They've been one of the best offenses most of the year because up until the last 2 weeks they played Nevada, New Mexico State, Utah, a horrible Cal team, and Nebraska that gave up 34 points to Minnesota today.

 

[TideFan in AU]

LSU in 2011 was by no means a below average SEC offense. They were 2nd in the league in scoring. They averaged more points than Bama.

They finished the season ranked 57th in total offense in 2011, averaging 355 yards per game...

 

[JIB]

They finished the season ranked 57th in total offense in 2011, averaging 355 yards per game...

List the 6 SEC teams in 2011 that had better offenses.

 

[rolltideallday]

Brett Hundley will be an amazing NFL qb if he gets to play the Jaguars every week. Both of his interceptions were horribly thrown balls. I really don't understand why he and Price keep getting talked about when they really don't do anything unless they're playing a bottom of the barrel defense.

Add OSU's qb to that. He's missed on a ton of throws tonight where he overthrew or threw behind the receiver with no pressure on him. I know Standford's defense is good but even when he has time he's missing.

 

[OreGUN Ducks]

I actually agree with most Alabama fans that you guys would (and should) probably be a 10 point favorite if we get to play.

What bothers me, is that it seems there's a lot of Tide fans on here that refuse to give us any credit for any win we have. It doesn't matter that — despite playing terribly the first half — we came out and shut UCLA down in the second half and scored 28 unanswered. It doesn't matter that (like Alabama) we've been pretty darn good for the past few years. No, we haven't won any titles. But we have what? Like 4 straight BCS appearances?

When our students yell "We want Bama" it's not because we're disrespecting you guys, it's because we -want- a shot at the champ. We want the respect. Thats it.

Anyway, you guys dominated today, and I hope you continue to do so, as I hope we do too. I want it to be Oregon-Bama.

 

[TideFan in AU]

Oregon is a good team, and they have played well. I guess we all get tired of the hearing how unbeatable Oregon looks every year. Hopefully we can both take care of business and settle it on the field this year.

 

[WishIwasInBama]

I'll be the first to admit I am a little narrow minded when it comes to Oregon football, I think my bias against their style of football taints my view but that's a different story. I absolutely cannot stand how arena football is taking over the college game and I do not enjoy watching games like that. My main issue with Oregon is the fact that they do not have any notable wins outside of the PAC 12. I think in large part being tied to a very weak Big 10 in the rose bowl has contributed to the perception as well as the bad luck of drawing K-State in another BCS game. Oregon fans to me are starting to remind me of Boise State fans how they are always screaming about how they get no respect and how they belong and try and grasp at anything to prove their point. When the beat Washington it was a huge win because they had like a number 10 ranked defense, well hows that defense looking since they started playing real teams. I imagine it will be the same now with UCLA but UCLA has played exactly 2 good teams this year and lost to both of them. Oregon fans act like they are the only team that doesn't get respect from SEC schools, it would be the exact same if they were OSU or FSU posters. I think Oregon is a good football team but until they show up and win a game like the LSU one in the regular season or the Auburn one in the BCSNCG I will continue to use the wait and see tactic before calling them elite.

 

[TideMan09]

I just don't think Bama's offense gets the respect it deserves..It's a well oiled machine, that is every bit as explosive as Oregon's. I would go as far & say we actually have a better & more dominate offense than Oregon's..

 

[beatthemtigers]

I just don't think Bama's offense gets the respect it deserves..It's a well oiled machine, that is every bit as explosive as Oregon's. I would go as far & say we actually have a better & more dominate offense than Oregon's..

Good luck getting a duck to admit that. But it's pretty hard to argue with.

 

[oregonbltzkrieg]

I just don't think Bama's offense gets the respect it deserves..It's a well oiled machine, that is every bit as explosive as Oregon's. I would go as far & say we actually have a better & more dominate offense than Oregon's..

A proposal: You admit that our defense is legitimate, and we admit that your offense is pretty good. Note that you don't have to go so far as to say that our defense is great, and we don't have to go so far as to say that your offense is as explosive as ours. :biggrin:

 

[BamaBrass]

Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. Alabama has 15 championships. How many does Oregon have?

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I'll put it like this:
In 2010 the Ducks were scoring 49.3 PPG and a BAD Barner defense held them to 19 Points.
In 2011 the Ducks averaged 47.5 PPG against teams NOT named LSU who held them to a season low 27 Points.
In 2012 the Ducks averaged 52.6 PPG against teams NOT named Stanford who plays big boy football and held the quacks to 14 Points.
In 2013 the Ducks are Averaging 55.6 PPG until they meet a REAL Defense. If/When the Ducks play either Alabama or FSU they will score 21-24 points at the MOST. I'm betting it's less than 20 pts and either way they would lose. They can't handle facing a team that Defensively smacks them upside the head. If they face OSU or say Baylor then all bets are off because either of those matchups would be shoot-outs and favor Oregon.

 

[B1GTide]

I actually agree with most Alabama fans that you guys would (and should) probably be a 10 point favorite if we get to play.

What bothers me, is that it seems there's a lot of Tide fans on here that refuse to give us any credit for any win we have. It doesn't matter that — despite playing terribly the first half — we came out and shut UCLA down in the second half and scored 28 unanswered. It doesn't matter that (like Alabama) we've been pretty darn good for the past few years. No, we haven't won any titles. But we have what? Like 4 straight BCS appearances?

When our students yell "We want Bama" it's not because we're disrespecting you guys, it's because we -want- a shot at the champ. We want the respect. Thats it.

Anyway, you guys dominated today, and I hope you continue to do so, as I hope we do too. I want it to be Oregon-Bama.

Actually, most posters on this board believe Oregon to be the #2 or #3 team in the country. Not sure how that translates into not getting any credit for you. At the beginning of the season, most of those same posters believed that most of the top 5 teams in the country played in the SEC.

But many of those posters finally got to watch you play yesterday, and your performance for 3+ quarters was far from impressive. UCLA is not a top tier team in the SEC, and you had them at home. Still, a win is a win, and you won.

Now you prepare for Stanford while Alabama prepares for LSU. Two matchups with all 4 teams having a bye to prepare. That should produce some quality football.

 

[oregonbltzkrieg]

I'll put it like this:
In 2010 the Ducks were scoring 49.3 PPG and a BAD Barner defense held them to 19 Points.
In 2011 the Ducks averaged 47.5 PPG against teams NOT named LSU who held them to a season low 27 Points.
In 2012 the Ducks averaged 52.6 PPG against teams NOT named Stanford who plays big boy football and held the quacks to 14 Points.
In 2013 the Ducks are Averaging 55.6 PPG until they meet a REAL Defense. If/When the Ducks play either Alabama or FSU they will score 21-24 points at the MOST. I'm betting it's less than 20 pts and either way they would lose. They can't handle facing a team that Defensively smacks them upside the head. If they face OSU or say Baylor then all bets are off because either of those matchups would be shoot-outs and favor Oregon.

Lets shoot these common arguments down 1 by 1 with logic.

In 2010 the Ducks were scoring 49.3 PPG and a BAD Barner defense held them to 19 Points.

Do you really expect an offense to score the same amount of points against the team that won the championship and lost no games that year than it does against normal teams? Yes, we're talking about the team that also defeated you. If they had such an awful defense like everyone claims, what does that say about Bama and everyone else that year? That's right, join the rest of the crowd. You were not much better than the Ducks.

In 2011 the Ducks averaged 47.5 PPG against teams NOT named LSU who held them to a season low 27 Points.

LSU went to the championship that year, and they also beat you during the regular season. Also, logically, you can't sit there and claim Tennessee was disorganized when they played us, and that they are so much more improved since we defeated them without giving us the same free pass against LSU that you give Tennessee. It was the first game of the season. We were disorganized and were improved by halfway through the season. Can't have it both ways.

In 2012 the Ducks averaged 52.6 PPG against teams NOT named Stanford who plays big boy football and held the quacks to 14 Points.

What's your point? Stanford is a good team, and we've beat them 10 out of the last 12 years. This is also the game that put you in the Natty courtesy of our FG kicker.

In 2013 the Ducks are Averaging 55.6 PPG until they meet a REAL Defense. If/When the Ducks play either Alabama or FSU they will score 21-24 points at the MOST. I'm betting it's less than 20 pts and either way they would lose. They can't handle facing a team that Defensively smacks them upside the head.

Lol. Ok, lets say I agree with this statement. The following statement could be said about Alabama: You struggle against mobile QB's that rip apart your defense piecemeal and burn you for more than 600 yards. Cam Newton. Johnny Manziel. The current Heisman frontrunner is on our team. We struggle against good defenses. You struggle against good offenses. Isn't this the reason why we all want to see this matchup in the NCG afterall?

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

We do not struggle against good offenses and you really miss the points we try to make. Therefore it is really no point of trying to even talk to you.

The QB who is mobile has to be on fire in everything he does not just be mobile. He has to hit receivers at a clip he previously didn't before. And then hold on for dear life. Look back at our loses against those mobile QBs they had games of their lives, and really and truly it's been any QB that's beaten us. You talk about JF. We were up 35-14 and we put it on cruise control. They never had a chance to go up or tie us. So that game was very deceiving.


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