What Gun Reform would you suggest?

You were fed wrong information . As are most who are just yelling out their back side and dont know what they are talking about. No additional checks would have kept him from buying guns. He was clear as you or I. The fact the FBI investigated him and was able to take no further action meant he was fine to purchase.
Are you trying to say I'm yelling out my backside? All I am saying is that we need a starting point.


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You were fed wrong information . As are most who are just yelling out their back side and dont know what they are talking about. No additional checks would have kept him from buying guns. He was clear as you or I. The fact the FBI investigated him and was able to take no further action meant he was fine to purchase.
What still puzzles me is why he was twice cleared by the FBI off the watch list. There are people on that list for a lot less in the way of grounds than he...
 

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A few ideas. Anything semi-auto or hand gun requires a federal license. Make it a very rigorous background check. Permit has to be renewed ever 10yrs. It is good in all US states and territories. You can walk into any store and buy a gun with it no questions asked. Any private sales no questions asked. You have any legal issues said permit goes away. And guns get confiscated if you have them without a valid permit outside your home or property (covers I want them for home defense argument.) Same thing with concealed carry. Go to nation wide permit. Do away with the hodgepodge of state laws allowing or disallowing concealed carry. No restrictions on strictly hunting guns ( bolt action rifles/break action shotguns) as long as you don't have a violent criminal history.

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10 years is way too long not to be recertifide. I could see anyone who has ever been investigated by FBI be put on a 30 day waiting period. And have to pass an additional more stringent background check. I could go for that change.
 

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You were fed wrong information . As are most who are just yelling out their back side and dont know what they are talking about. No additional checks would have kept him from buying guns. He was clear as you or I. The fact the FBI investigated him and was able to take no further action meant he was fine to purchase.
True. This one would have been hard to stop unless a waiting period may have helped. That we will never know so no use arguing about it.
You cant stop them all. All we can hope to do is limit them where we can.
 

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I'm fine with expanded BG checks. I also wish the different systems FBI, BATFE) could communicate better / more efficiently.

I'm not otherwise fine with us being 'limited' - not sure why my rights should be limited.
It would not have helped in this case but there needs to be a better link between law enforcement and mental health professionals provided there is a easier way to remove an erroneous judgment or evaluation. I also don't have a problem with a 7 day waiting period, I waited that long before I decided to purchase it, what's a week more.
 

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A few ideas. Anything semi-auto or hand gun requires a federal license. Make it a very rigorous background check. Permit has to be renewed ever 10yrs. It is good in all US states and territories. You can walk into any store and buy a gun with it no questions asked. Any private sales no questions asked. You have any legal issues said permit goes away. And guns get confiscated if you have them without a valid permit outside your home or property (covers I want them for home defense argument.) Same thing with concealed carry. Go to nation wide permit. Do away with the hodgepodge of state laws allowing or disallowing concealed carry. No restrictions on strictly hunting guns ( bolt action rifles/break action shotguns) as long as you don't have a violent criminal history.

Thoughts?
That absolutely destroys the second amendment. We were never given the right to bare arms in order to hunt. It was so that you could defy a tyrannical government.
 

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Are you trying to say I'm yelling out my backside? All I am saying is that we need a starting point.


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No. I was not making any direct comments toward you other than you did get bad information. The rest of my comment was that many people here bits and pieces and use those untruths or partial truths to form an opinion. This happens every day with our country. We have congressmen and senators writing laws about guns or putting up legislation and they are clueless about the guns themselves.
 
No. I was not making any direct comments toward you other than you did get bad information. The rest of my comment was that many people here bits and pieces and use those untruths or partial truths to form an opinion. This happens every day with our country. We have congressmen and senators writing laws about guns or putting up legislation and they are clueless about the guns themselves.
I got you. Understood.

I have been hearing that he was actually gay though. Now, reports are saying his wife knew. This is crazy.


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That absolutely destroys the second amendment. We were never given the right to bare arms in order to hunt. It was so that you could defy a tyrannical government.
As long as you don't have a criminal record it doesn't destroy a thing. In fact it gives you more freedom to carry than you have now because it forces places like New York and Chicago to respect the federal permit.
 

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What still puzzles me is why he was twice cleared by the FBI off the watch list. There are people on that list for a lot less in the way of grounds than he...
Because he was Muslim. I listened one of the original heads of Homeland Security Division last night. He said they created their dept in 2007 to track, identify and monitor threats in US and anyone with ties to the Islamic extremists. For two years they put together a huge database of individuals in the US and abroad who were working in US or with others. In 2009 after Obama took office they were instructed to scrub/delete every file they had worked for 2 years to compile by the state department. Anything and everything that had ties to Muslims or middle eastern countries was deleted. Needless to say he was in utter shock.

The FBIs hands are tied. They were instructed by the attorney general they would be fired for bringing claims against Muslims. This is a fact. The AG even had to come back later and back off her comments because they were illegal. However, the policies in place are still there. I have a relative that has served 20+ years and says you would be astounded by some of their directives or "no go" orders.
 

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Because he was Muslim. I listened one of the original heads of Homeland Security Division last night. He said they created their dept in 2007 to track, identify and monitor threats in US and anyone with ties to the Islamic extremists. For two years they put together a huge database of individuals in the US and abroad who were working in US or with others. In 2009 after Obama took office they were instructed to scrub/delete every file they had worked for 2 years to compile by the state department. Anything and everything that had ties to Muslims or middle eastern countries was deleted. Needless to say he was in utter shock.

The FBIs hands are tied. They were instructed by the attorney general they would be fired for bringing claims against Muslims. This is a fact. The AG even had to come back later and back off her comments because they were illegal. However, the policies in place are still there. I have a relative that has served 20+ years and says you would be astounded by some of their directives or "no go" orders.
Practically the whole list is made up of Muslims, including all of the publicized interdictions, so that doesn't make any sense...
 

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I find it interesting that people who so vehemently proclaim that any discussion of gun control is a non starter because they have an inalienable right, are more than willing to bend on the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th amendments. I will point to the great groundswell of armchair FBI agents who think that they should have just arrested Mateen because he obviously was going to do something terrible.
Those hypocrites disappoint me as much as the ACLU, which cherrypicks which liberties it finds palatable.
I support all of the Bill of Rights, even when it isn't convenient.
 

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Practically the whole list is made up of Muslims, including all of the publicized interdictions, so that doesn't make any sense...
Just telling you that they have their hands tied. I agree. Investigated twice. Should lead to something. But they cant do what needs to be done because of the current administration and their restrictions.
 

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A few ideas. Anything semi-auto or hand gun requires a federal license. Make it a very rigorous background check. Permit has to be renewed ever 10yrs. It is good in all US states and territories. You can walk into any store and buy a gun with it no questions asked. Any private sales no questions asked. You have any legal issues said permit goes away. And guns get confiscated if you have them without a valid permit outside your home or property (covers I want them for home defense argument.) Same thing with concealed carry. Go to nation wide permit. Do away with the hodgepodge of state laws allowing or disallowing concealed carry. No restrictions on strictly hunting guns ( bolt action rifles/break action shotguns) as long as you don't have a violent criminal history.

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Everyone is assumed to have been issued this license at birth, and it is not ever denied or taken away unless you're actually incarcerated, and immediately restored upon release.

Hey, that's like actually being guaranteed rights by the constitution.

Deal.
 

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That absolutely destroys the second amendment. We were never given the right to bare arms in order to hunt. It was so that you could defy a tyrannical government.
Yeah, because it will stand up real good against a drone firing at your house (this argument is where the gun rights folks do lose me).
 

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Yeah, because it will stand up real good against a drone firing at your house (this argument is where the gun rights folks do lose me).
Your not using your head trying to think through this. Lets say this does happen. Do you think the government is the only violent people who will come knocking at your door? You will be your own protector from anyone coming to harm or steal from you. If civil war happens or the government tries to forcefully take over. The military will be the least of your worries. You will need every bit of firepower you have. Dont worry about how safe I am or how big my guns are. You better be finding someone to protect you.
 

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Yeah, because it will stand up real good against a drone firing at your house (this argument is where the gun rights folks do lose me).
The government can't fire drones at your house for exercising your Constitutional rights. First time that ever happened the government wouldn't last a week longer. They don't have 300 million drones. The people would storm the capital locked and loaded and I'd be right near the front.
 

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Senate Democrats have reportedly started a filibuster to pressure Republicans to bring legislation on restricting firearms from suspected terrorists.

I applaud the sentiment, I just question whether the Republicans care if nothing gets done in Congress. That is their SOP, after all.
 

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Your not using your head trying to think through this. Lets say this does happen. Do you think the government is the only violent people who will come knocking at your door? You will be your own protector from anyone coming to harm or steal from you. If civil war happens or the government tries to forcefully take over. The military will be the least of your worries. You will need every bit of firepower you have. Dont worry about how safe I am or how big my guns are. You better be finding someone to protect you.
Not to mention that anyone who thinks the military, police, etc would be a united force against the citizens is out of touch.
 

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