Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - and...no charges to be filed...

[CoastGhost]

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And if it were AJ, poke, or say Julio when were barreling toward our first title in forever, what percentage of our fan base would have acted the same way?

Probably more than we would be comfortable with.

 

[WishIwasInBama]

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No matter what the reaction to this case is exposing fsu fans for the disgusting trash they are. Did I mention I hate them?

I don't like them either. I always say that in every FSU fan's closet there is at least 1 UF or Miami shirt. Some of the worst bandwagon fans out there are in my opinion.

 

[JIB]

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And if it were AJ, poke, or say Julio when were barreling toward our first title in forever, what percentage of our fan base would have acted the same way?

I think the idea that there are huge differences between fanbases is a bit silly.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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if all they have is her word, it's not much of a case. it's my understanding that a rape kit was done, so that would normally be the deciding factor; however, if the prosecutor has seen that and still is trying to decide what to do, i would guess that the kit proved inconclusive.

It's already been announced that the DNA was a match. At this point, the only issue remaining would appear to be non-consent. Since she went to the ER and an examination was done, there should have been signs of forced penetration, if a rape were committed. Unless it's the political/football issue I don't know why it's taking so long for the State Attorney to make up his mind...

 

[Ldlane]

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I think he's just saying that they are that way anyway! I agree.

I think there are those "fans" that are "my team right or wrong" for all major teams and they show their stupidity when they are blindly impartial. However, FSU fans are a special breed of stupid! I mean there are people over on some of the forums saying that FSU is going to beat us 70-0.

And if it were AJ, poke, or say Julio when were barreling toward our first title in forever, what percentage of our fan base would have acted the same way?

 

[Ldlane]

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It's already been announced that the DNA was a match. At this point, the only issue remaining would appear to be non-consent. Since she went to the ER and an examination was done, there should have been signs of forced penetration, if a rape were committed. Unless it's the political/football issue I don't know why it's taking so long for the State Attorney to make up his mind... [/COLOR]

One "rumor" going around Tally right now is that there are "Two sets" of DNA, Winston is only one of them.

 

[B1GTide]

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Is it typical to skip the grand jury stage?? Does it say anything about the case?

In Florida, the only cases that are required to go in front of the GJ are capital murder cases. The decisions on other cases can, and are, primarily decided by the SA. Nothing unusual about this in Florida.

 

[CoastGhost]

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nevermind

 

[Bamabuzzard]

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One "rumor" going around Tally right now is that their are "Two sets" of DNA, Winston is only one of them.

If there were other people/players in the room this might be a case of more than one person getting his turn. So there might be more than just JW's DNA present.

 

[IH8Orange]

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A number of folks on here have commented about how they couldn't believe Winston would do this. But I doubt even ONE of you actually KNOWS Winston. You only know what you see on TV about him. And you don't know the "alleged victim" at all. And besides - Winston would not be the first guy to run off to college as a nice, polite young guy and learn he could get away with a lot merely because he could play football.

The crowd that he runs with now is likely just a bit different than the crowd he ran with before. According to the article by the FSU faculty member and the subsequent confirmation of that article by LdLane here, it's pretty evident why they've been known as the "Criminoles". There was also an article referenced earlier noting the relatively high number of student-athletes from Florida that have criminal records. Florida State is listed on the ESPN site as having 97 of their current 132 players hailing from Florida.

In recent history, much of Alabama's troubles with the law occurred with players from Florida. Two of the three arrested last spring for armed robbery were from Florida. On our current roster of 108 players listed on ESPN, only 10 are from Florida. Arkansas had two players convicted of burglary in the spring of 2012. One of them was from Florida and they only have 5 players from a current roster of 119 from Florida. It seems that players from Florida, while not plentiful on these rosters, have played an inordinately high role in their legal troubles.

Just imagine what kind of environment Winston is living in when 73% of the roster is from Florida?

 

[Chukker Veteran]

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I used to vacation in Florida, but several high profile situations there have soured me on the idea of spending any money there these days. I hope they can turn it around because it's a beautiful state to visit.

 

[BigBama76]

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Sorry for bombing this topic with posts, everyone, but I think a context we forget about this case is a rape allegation against one of FSU's WRs earlier this year where the suspect was exonerated of the charges. Of course, I think this previous case had some circumstances unlike this Winston case. The accuser was a long-time companion of the receiver and her story didn't hold up under a critical eye. It was actually the common "rape doubter" situation when stars are accused: she was a jilted lover with an ax to grind. Right now, though I suspect this case is different, we don't know the prior relationship between Winston and the accuser.

Almost all incidents of rape are between two people who know each other at some level. I think it is fair to assume that Winston didn't go into some sex-crazed frenzy and overwhelmed the first attractive woman his eyes came across. Winston very likely had some prior relationship with the accuser, but the question is what kind of relationship was it and whether this relationship had prior consensual sexual contact. To be sure, consenting once does not consent in the future but it does give credence to the idea that the accuser may have other motives.

Meggs is supposedly tough on crime and he has a reputation for aggressively pursuing charges against athletes - which may be why the TPD tried to make this case go away and never made the prosecution aware of the complaint - but you always want to measure twice after being burned once.

If the woman was unable to identify her accuser until about a month later how could there be any type of prior relationship? It's also come out that she didn't know who he actually was until about 6 months later.

 

[davefrat]

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It's already been announced that the DNA was a match. At this point, the only issue remaining would appear to be non-consent. Since she went to the ER and an examination was done, there should have been signs of forced penetration, if a rape were committed. Unless it's the political/football issue I don't know why it's taking so long for the State Attorney to make up his mind... [/COLOR]

i understand the DNA is a match, but that doesn't mean anything other than they had sex. the rape kit will show whether there was trauma consistent with forced penetration. like i said, sometimes the rape kits come back inconclusive because (and i'm avoiding going into gross/offensive stuff because this is a family friendly site) different bodies react differently to penetration due to things like the amount of fluid they produce and so on. it's why things like KY jelly exist...if you get my drift.

 

[bamabelle1991]

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If there were other people/players in the room this might be a case of more than one person getting his turn. So there might be more than just JW's DNA present.

This has been my thought for the past week. If she was intoxicated and passed out, or on the verge, she could have been taken advantage of by all of the men, and it may or may not show signs of forcible penetration on a rape kit. However, if you are passed out, you cannot give consent. No consent=sexual battery in Florida.

 

[CoastGhost]

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This has been my thought for the past week. If she was intoxicated and passed out, or on the verge, she could have been taken advantage of by all of the men, and it may or may not show signs of forcible penetration on a rape kit. However, if you are passed out, you cannot give consent. No consent=sexual battery in Florida.

I read one account that her tox screen was negative ... don't know if true or not.

 

[SavannahDare]

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I read one account that her tox screen was negative ... don't know if true or not.

All toxicology screens are not created equal. Certain substances have to be suspected and specifically tested for. Substances like Rohypnol and LSD, for example, are not on routine screens.

 

[Bamanooga]

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If the woman was unable to identify her accuser until about a month later how could there be any type of prior relationship? It's also come out that she didn't know who he actually was until about 6 months later.

My question too.

 

[B1GTide]

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If the woman was unable to identify her accuser until about a month later how could there be any type of prior relationship? It's also come out that she didn't know who he actually was until about 6 months later.

No reliable source has indicated that she knew him before this happened. Anyone think that his lawyer would have kept this to himself if it were true?

 

[CoastGhost]

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All toxicology screens are not created equal. Certain substances have to be suspected and specifically tested for. Substances like Rohypnol and LSD, for example, are not on routine screens.

Rohypnol ... Is that the "date rape" drug?

 

[bamabelle1991]

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Rohypnol ... Is that the "date rape" drug?

Yes.