Another HS shooting - Santa Fe, TX (South of Houston)

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This is what no-compromise gun advocacy has wrought on our children. I say again, if you refuse to sit at the table of compromise now, you will not be offered a seat when this generation grows up and your vote is no longer needed.

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What is your definition of compromise where gun laws are concerned? That is a straight up no bs question. I’d prefer a no bs answer. Hard to take a seat at the table when you aren’t sure if compromise will come from both sides.

For example, would you accept a fully secured border wall in exchange for a ban on semi automatic handguns?

Would you accept a life sentence if you are caught with one?

Would you accept being able to own a semi auto handgun if the process required a $5k license and a tripling of a home owner insurance premium?

What are you willing to compromise?
 

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What is your definition of compromise where gun laws are concerned? That is a straight up no bs question. I’d prefer a no bs answer. Hard to take a seat at the table when you aren’t sure if compromise will come from both sides.
There is literally an entire thread that discusses this, which you should read if you're interested. The conversation always stalls when gun advocates admit that something should be done and that several ideas are good ones that they could support, but that they won't support them because of crippling fear over slippery slopes.
 

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I like Tidewater's post above.

I asked about this earlier in the thread and would still like to know how the under aged kid was able to get a hold of his father's 38 and shotgun.

If you want to talk gun control - in this case - the conversation should start there, IMHO.
 

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There is literally an entire thread that discusses this, which you should read if you're interested. The conversation always stalls when gun advocates admit that something should be done and that several ideas are good ones that they could support, but that they won't support them because of crippling fear over slippery slopes.
So you won't share your definition of compromise on this subject? Are you saying your opinion doesn't carry any weight? I appreciate the deflection and attempt to be snarky. You brought it up in this thread....I asked you a question in response. What's the problem with posting your opinion here? Don't deflect. Attack it - straight on...

What's your definition of compromise regarding gun control? What are you willing to bring to the table? What are you willing to compromise?
 

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I like Tidewater's post above.

I asked about this earlier in the thread and would still like to know how the under aged kid was able to get a hold of his father's 38 and shotgun.

If you want to talk gun control - in this case - the conversation should start there, IMHO.
I get the idea of a gun safe....but if someone is breaking into your home -- and the gun is locked and the ammo is elsewhere.....it's not going to help much
 

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I get the idea of a gun safe....but if someone is breaking into your home -- and the gun is locked and the ammo is elsewhere.....it's not going to help much
You have to keep an eye on your kid when the gun is not locked up and keep an eye on your weapon when you kid is around. Requires a bit more responsibility on the parent. Might be too much for some parents though....
 

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Another question...kid wears a trench coat every day in the heat? Wouldn't this be a red flag? To someone?

We could really use a resource officer who looks out for stuff like this - not just to carry a weapon - but to use some pro-active initiative. Check stuff out ahead of time. Maybe prevent incidents and in the process help some of these kids who need certain attention.
 

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Another question...kid wears a trench coat every day in the heat? Wouldn't this be a red flag? To someone?

We could really use a resource officer who looks out for stuff like this - not just to carry a weapon - but to use some pro-active initiative. Check stuff out ahead of time. Maybe prevent incidents and in the process help some of these kids who need certain attention.
The challenge to that is .... if you start targeting kids for what they wear.....the ACLU gets all kind of stressed out.
 

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What is different today than when I was a kid?

  • Behavior modification drugs
  • Social media
  • Lack of God or morals being taught
  • Parents working long hours so that everyone has the newest iPhone
  • Kids not playing outside
  • Hollywood
  • Violent video games
  • Spending more time in front of a computer than interacting with family

Tell me if I'm wrong about these....and if so....do they contribute to the issue.

Or we could talk about gun control and completely ignore the systemic problems we have with our kids today.
 

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What is different today than when I was a kid?

  • Behavior modification drugs
  • Social media
  • Lack of God or morals being taught
  • Parents working long hours so that everyone has the newest iPhone
  • Kids not playing outside
  • Hollywood
  • Violent video games
  • Spending more time in front of a computer than interacting with family

Tell me if I'm wrong about these....and if so....do they contribute to the issue.

Or we could talk about gun control and completely ignore the systemic problems we have with our kids today.
We also spend more time arguing with people...lol, on a website that is supposed to bring us together for a love of Alabama football
 

Bazza

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Coming out now that the kid was bullied....geez.......why wasn't that picked up by a counselor or resourcre officer or the parents or a mentor or a big brother....so much personal relationship failure.

(or we could talk about gun control)

Santa Fe High School student claims students and coaches 'emotionally bullied' suspected shooter

A student who survived the Texas school shooting on Friday has spoken out about the accused gunman, saying that he was 'emotionally bullied' by his classmates and coaches.

Dustin Severin, an 11th-grade student at Santa Fe High School, told KRIV that the suspected shooter, 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtiz, was constantly teased at school, but that he believed it never escalated into anything physical.
"I know he's picked on by coaches and other students. He didn't really talk to anyone," he told the station. "My friends from the football team told me that coaches said he smelled, like, right in front of his face. And other kids would look at him and laugh at him ... nothing like physical but they still emotionally bullied him."
 

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I get the idea of a gun safe....but if someone is breaking into your home -- and the gun is locked and the ammo is elsewhere.....it's not going to help much
We talk about how it is never the responsible gun owners who commit these crimes, I’d say that they do enable them though. When people don’t lock up their guns and kids are able to get ahold of them, there seems to me to be some level of responsibility. I’ve long believed that there should be some means of shared responsibility for gun owners whose weapons are used in these attacks.

To your point regarding a locked gun can’t help in a home invasion, I think people will have to eventually make the decision regarding whether it is worth locking up your weapons versus your child or their friends with issues possibly using those unsecured weapons in an attack. That’s what responsibility is.
 

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So you won't share your definition of compromise on this subject? Are you saying your opinion doesn't carry any weight? I appreciate the deflection and attempt to be snarky. You brought it up in this thread....I asked you a question in response. What's the problem with posting your opinion here? Don't deflect. Attack it - straight on...

What's your definition of compromise regarding gun control? What are you willing to bring to the table? What are you willing to compromise?
You asked a question and I told you where the answer is. I'm not responsible for your laziness.
 

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You asked a question and I told you where the answer is. I'm not responsible for your laziness.
You are so typical. You hide behind others answers and never have opinions of your own. You think that your opinion is sharing the opinion of others. Typically you don’t want a discussion. You want to offer nothing concrete....

You think I don’t want to venture into another thread out of laziness? Lol. You decided to make a post about “compromise”. I asked you about your opinion. You apparently have none. Figured.

You should have left your post in the other thread.
 

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I get the idea of a gun safe....but if someone is breaking into your home -- and the gun is locked and the ammo is elsewhere.....it's not going to help much
I think an argument could be made that a gun in your nightstand when you are sleeping is being used for home protection. When you get up in the morning, and you are planning on leaving without your gun, lock them up.
The father in this case, however, had no idea his guns were being used by his son. Such an arrangement would have stopped this case and Sandy Hook, and I believe would not run afoul of the 2nd Amendment.
 
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