BREAKING trump wins, why?

Groceries and gas seem to be the biggest hurdle. Lots of price gouging going on there but I guess it's the backup quarterback's fault.

It's still disappointing to see that personal character matters so very little in politics.
 
I thought the numbers were very telling when considering the 2020 election with this one.
Biden received 81 million votes and Trump with 74 million
Harris received 66 Million votes (-15M), and Trump with 71 million votes (-3M)

How, pray tell, did 18 million LESS voters show up?
 
I agree with the desire to do something positive about immigration. But please note, DJT actually DID try doing something about it his first term but was opposed violently by the left every time he did or even said anything. What'd he ask for for the wall? I think it was around $5billion but that was deemed by the left to be far too much. But they had zero problems with sending $64+billion dollars to Ukraine which really hasn't benefitted the U.S. like a wall on our southern border would have.
Walls have limited usefulness. We need to eliminate the incentive to come here illegally (work) by implementing a workable e verify.
 
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It's still disappointing to see that personal character matters so very little in politics.
Matters so very little when it comes to Trump and his team. Biden calls MAGAs garbage one time and everyone went nuts, meanwhile Trump has called folks far worse for 8+ years and never has to answer for any of it. The media doesn’t even press him on the crap he says like they press every other politician.

It’s a double standard that only Trump gets to enjoy. I mean the SCOTUS granted him the ultimate double standard. No president in the history of this nation has ever had immunity until Trump attempted a coup.
How, pray tell, did 18 million LESS voters show up?
The GOTV failed. The democrats base was not as energized as we were lead to believe.
 
I thought the numbers were very telling when considering the 2020 election with this one.
Biden received 81 million votes and Trump with 74 million
Harris received 66 Million votes (-15M), and Trump with 71 million votes (-3M)

How, pray tell, did 18 million LESS voters show up?
i think it's a blue sinkhole more than a red wave.

i would imagine some of biden's massive numbers in 2020 were anti-incumbent sentiment on steroids due to the horrible impacts of and responses to the pandemic
 
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That's only one of the many reasons why. Lots of people held their nose and voted for him because they didn't want a repeat of the last 4 years.
If you think deporting immigrants as rump says he will would make the economy better and lower prices...think that through. Also be aware that the US has never actually treated immigrants well whether they were considered "legal" or not. Why? Because people are terrible creatures in many ways and do not take well to people seen as "different from self". And this jerk will absolutely not make any overseas war situations better. He will not make relations between Americans better. And he will try to never leave office. He will lie constantly and only care about what happens to him. That's what he does in his personal life and that's what he does in business and that's what he did all the way through his Presidency before. He will do it again, too, only he'll be worse since there's nothing to prevent him doing so now. How do I know about his personal life and his business practices? Some, I know from what has always been reported about him and some, I know from personal connections to people who have had to deal with him. He genuinely seems to have no real conscience to a great many people who've had problems with him.
 
Immigration (illegal), cumulative inflation since 2020, the democratic party embracing significantly progressive cultural issues (abortion at basically any gestational age, LGBTQ rights, rejection of basic biology as far as gender, etc): I think the democrats' stance on the above cost them the election.
That's what your perception is. Abortion after a gestational period of 24 weeks by a doctor is performed in cases of emergency. Yes, I have no problem with LGBTQ rights. And that may very possibly happen for real as we move along whether you like it or not. This whole thing that just proceeded to happen right now is doing so and I do not like it. I do not like it all but it's happening. And if he goes as far as he claims he will, you will not like a good deal of it, either. If he gets what he claims to be his way, it will screw up the economy royally. What if he actually deports all of those people? Who will do those jobs? You think Americans will? At that rate of pay? And no worker's compensation and no insurance? Do you grasp what will happen to prices then?
 
He found a way to call people names, denigrate entire countries, smear hundreds of people's names, use misogynistic language, and STILL get people who voted Democrat in the last election to vote for him. It seems to me that someone in the Democrat/liberal party needs to figure out how he did that. Because he won the election by getting people who normally would have voted Democrat to vote Republican. So the question is, how? That question has already been answered several times in this thread by people in your party.

Padreuf hit the nail on the head.
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I've been mulling over this most of the day. The mistake the Harris campaign made was to focus on Trump being a terrible person. He is mind you, but everyone knew he was a terrible person 8 years ago, and he got elected. Biden was able to win as "not Trump", but even that was a close call.

Harris needed to establish her specific vision for America; Trump gave her all the leverage she needed with his "I've got a concept of an idea" in the debate. From then on, she should have focused on specific policy initiatives, introducing every single one with "I've got more than just a concept of a plan." (She did have some, I know, but we didn't hear about them often enough. Problem is, discussing policy initiatives requires more than the 30-second soundbite the media has become conditioned into generating.) Trump, as usual, lied his ass off, but he told lies that people wanted to hear.

More basically, she needed to acknowledge people's frustration with the economy. OK, so the numbers are promising. That's all well and good, but that's like pointing to the Dow Jones--it doesn't reflect what individual families are working with. That gave Trump an inflection point that he hammered home to devastating effect. And of course, he tapped into the fear of the Other, whether immigrants, LGTBQ, and then spun that web wider to include anyone who opposed him.

Back when I was in grad school at Bama, I was a member of the Alabama Student Party, a group of independents trying to make inroads into the Machine controlled SGA government. We got John Merrill elected SGA president, and the bulk of the ASP membership was convinced that we were headed to the promised land. There was only one problem--most of them thought that since we were fighting the good fight, God would smile on our endeavors and victory would most assuredly follow as day follows night. Myself and a few others repeatedly warned that good intentions mean jack squat if you don't have a well-considered plan, but we were roundly ignored, and the following year saw the Machine pull off damn near a clean sweep.

I suspect the Democrats were in a similar spot--once they established Harris as the nominee, they figured everyone would see that Harris was a vast improvement over Trump (and for all her faults, I maintain that she was). The DNC spent a LOT of money on media, but not enough on the message (apologies to Marshall McLuhan).
 
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I've been mulling over this most of the day. The mistake the Harris campaign made was to focus on Trump being a terrible person. He is mind you, but everyone knew he was a terrible person 8 years ago, and he got elected. Biden was able to win as "not Trump", but even that was a close call.

Harris needed to establish her specific vision for America; Trump gave her all the leverage she needed with his "I've got a concept of an idea" in the debate. From then on, she should have focused on specific policy initiatives, introducing every single one with "I've got more than just a concept of a plan." (She did have some, I know, but we didn't hear about them often enough. Problem is, discussing policy initiatives requires more than the 30-second soundbite the media has become conditioned into generating.) Trump, as usual, lied his ass off, but he told lies that people wanted to hear.

More basically, she needed to acknowledge people's frustration with the economy. OK, so the numbers are promising. That's all well and good, but that's like pointing to the Dow Jones--it doesn't reflect what individual families are working with. That gave Trump an inflection point that he hammered home to devastating effect.
She had some vision for America but it was rejected by most voters.
 
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With the results of 2016 and now 2024, the democrats would be wise to go with that option. Buttigieg, or Shapiro would be my top two choices.
I'm not sure about that. I would have been fine with it but, though I won't, I see some right here I could name who would not. Editing a lot. Alcohol has been required tonight.
 
I'm not sure about that. I would have been fine with it but, though I won't, I see some right here I could name who would not. Editing a lot. Alcohol has been required tonight.
If Shapiro would’ve have been selected for the VP slot, they probably win. The dems fear of the far left (The Squad) has the party paralyzed. Most of the electorate of this country are not that crazy. When your candidate responds to a heckler at a rally who says: “Jesus Christ is Lord,” with “You’re at the wrong rally” you might want to rethink that statement. When you go around saying someone is going to end democracy all the while 14 million votes for Biden were tossed out and he’s kicked off the race? Is that democracy?
 
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1. Americans are tired of the lies spewed out by the democrats and the liberal far left news media. Americans saw the farce by New York trying to "get Trump" any way they can.

2. Kamala Harris did not appear qualified for the office. Anytime she spoke on her own, it came across as word salad.

3. Voters remember the great job Trump was doing before Covid hit, including no wars.

4. Increase in working class Hispanic/Latino voters for Trump.

5. Increase in Black working class voters for Trump.

6. Huge number of young black men voting Trump. They're tired of democrats bringing illegal aliens into the US, taking jobs away from them, among other reasons.

7. Trump supporters are working class voters who fared much better under Trump's economy. They haven't done as well with Bidenomics and high inflation.

8. The phenomenal ground game by Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, and Scott Presler and friends. They had over 100 people working the battleground states. In particular about 25 colleges. They got 100s of students to vote Trump. And signed many first time voters up. Many more than Kamala's team.

8. Kamala concentrated on Women and abortion. And that issue was lower in importance than the economy and the border. She ignored the men, while Trump increased support from suburban women.



That's your main reasons Trump won the election. Both in the electoral college and popular vote.
 
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“This is a historic disaster of Biblical proportions. The Democratic Party, as it is, is dead. This is a historic realignment. There were Reagan Democrats. Now there are Trump Democrats,” said Chris Kofinis, a Democratic strategist and former chief of staff to centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.).

“The elites of this country alienated voters everywhere because they didn’t want to hear what working and middle class voters were screaming for four years—focus on us and our problems, not your agenda to destroy Trump,” Kofinis said

In the immediate aftermath of an unexpected dope-slapping, I think Kofinis overstates the case.

His assertions hold water only if the Dems don't look in the mirror and change both their message -- toys for everybody -- and the method by which they deliver that message -- insulting condescension for anyone questioning their patently obvious intellectual and moral superiority.

Nothing should focus the mind like a thorough butt-whipping from maybe the most beatable Republican since Herbert Hoover.

The Dems will adjust. The question is whether they have the humility to adjust enough to win against a future opponent who won't likely be as horrendously flawed as Trump.
 
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