Trump's Policies Part 5
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That’s the problem that goes back to the BLM riots. Left wing cities and states let rioters rob and pillage at will. There were people protesting in Florida but there was no tolerance for violence, looting, and burning. Newsom and Bass would watch the city burn to the ground and say it wasn’t happening.
When you let people steal merchandised from a store and it’s less than $1000 and it’s not a felony, good Lord. California: the land of fruits and nuts.
... a tip of the hat to your grandparents from an alumni of Fairfax Mill a few miles up the road. I only did 3 summers there as a student but recall thinking, my Lord, these people have spent their lives working like this.... Sacrificial giving so their kids could have better.
Wow.
Yeah, I'm barely old enough to remember when Valley was Fairfax (although to my mother, born in 1946, it will ALWAYS be Fairfax).
Thanks for a great post.
Trump: "People that burn the American flag should go to jail for one year ... we're working with some of your senators."
This is stupid rhetoric and even Trump should know better than this. Burning the flag is protected by the first amendment, even though I despise people who do it. It's a shame that free expression doesn't cover my right hook (which is still pretty mean, even at 50.)
Trump goaded active duty troops at his Fort Bragg speech to boo: The Media, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Mayor Karen Bass, and Joe Biden. So now the nation’s soldiers are just props for an authoritarian president—a preview of the June 14 birthday parade to come.
That rhetoric plays to his populist base, and gets him the adoration he so desperately craves.
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The Atlantic Gift Link
The Silence of the Generals
As President Donald Trump crossed a dangerous line at Fort Bragg, the brass failed to speak out in the Army’s defense.
President Donald Trump continued his war against America’s most cherished military traditions today when he delivered a speech at Fort Bragg. It is too much to call it a “speech”; it was, instead, a ramble, full of grievance and anger, just like his many political-rally performances. He took the stage to Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA”—which has become a MAGA anthem—and then pointed to the “fake news,” encouraging military personnel to jeer at the press.
He mocked former President Joe Biden and attacked various other political rivals. He elicited cheers from the crowd by announcing that he would rename U.S. bases (or re-rename them) after Confederate traitors. He repeated his hallucinatory narrative about the invasion of America by foreign criminals and lunatics. He referred to 2024 as the “election of a president who loves you,” to a scatter of cheers and applause. And then he attacked the governor of California and the mayor of Los Angeles, again presiding over jeers at elected officials of the United States.
He led soldiers, in other words, in a display of unseemly behavior that ran contrary to everything the founder of the U.S. Army, George Washington, strove to imbue in the American armed forces.
The Silence of the Generals
As President Donald Trump crossed a dangerous line at Fort Bragg, the brass failed to speak out in the Army’s defense.
President Donald Trump continued his war against America’s most cherished military traditions today when he delivered a speech at Fort Bragg. It is too much to call it a “speech”; it was, instead, a ramble, full of grievance and anger, just like his many political-rally performances. He took the stage to Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA”—which has become a MAGA anthem—and then pointed to the “fake news,” encouraging military personnel to jeer at the press.
He mocked former President Joe Biden and attacked various other political rivals. He elicited cheers from the crowd by announcing that he would rename U.S. bases (or re-rename them) after Confederate traitors. He repeated his hallucinatory narrative about the invasion of America by foreign criminals and lunatics. He referred to 2024 as the “election of a president who loves you,” to a scatter of cheers and applause. And then he attacked the governor of California and the mayor of Los Angeles, again presiding over jeers at elected officials of the United States.
He led soldiers, in other words, in a display of unseemly behavior that ran contrary to everything the founder of the U.S. Army, George Washington, strove to imbue in the American armed forces.
While I agree that a lot of that was unseemly (except the "Confederate traitors" bit; the traitors were Abraham Lincoln and the soldiers who followed his orders), I absolutely do not want generals publicly.criticizing the president. Behind closed doors, okay, but flag officers criticizing the president in public would be even worse than what Trump said. The appropriate protest for them would be to resign.
L.A. is not a war zone. But the sheep will buy it every time.
Gross over-reaction, but orchestrated.
www.latimes.com
Gross over-reaction, but orchestrated.
All of L.A. is not a ‘war zone.’ We separate facts from spin and disinformation amid immigration raids
What's actually happening during the ICE sweeps and protests across Los Angeles.
www.latimes.com
Interesting article but you do realize that most of the facts being "debunked" are the ones being championed by the left like "ICE doing raids at school graduations"?L.A. is not a war zone. But the sheep will buy it every time.
Gross over-reaction, but orchestrated.
All of L.A. is not a ‘war zone.’ We separate facts from spin and disinformation amid immigration raids
What's actually happening during the ICE sweeps and protests across Los Angeles.
Just a comment. There is no place for breaking windows, wrecking cars or throwing bricks, ect. That element does seem to show up at every protest on either side. One only has to look at Jan. 6.L.A. is not a war zone. But the sheep will buy it every time.
Gross over-reaction, but orchestrated.
All of L.A. is not a ‘war zone.’ We separate facts from spin and disinformation amid immigration raids
What's actually happening during the ICE sweeps and protests across Los Angeles.
I believe that Los Angeles was a Hispanic community long before it became part of the US. My question is how would we react when masked federal troops enter our communities and begin separating and arresting family members and retaining legal citizens. That is a volatile situation by definition.
California is a difficult enviroment to govern for many reasons and there is enough criticism of Newsome and government officials to go around. While writing this I am reminded of the brush fire in Honolulu that doesn't receive nearly the political criticism of fires in California.
Any state or city government official has very few if any viable options when federal troops show up and begin arresting people off the streets.
My friend, I believe based on postings here that you and I share (probably) the same POV on Donald Trump and his attempt to become king of the world without falling off "Titanic." I think he'd be more dangerous if he had more smarts, but he thinks he should be Julius Caesar no doubt.L.A. is not a war zone. But the sheep will buy it every time.
Gross over-reaction, but orchestrated.
All of L.A. is not a ‘war zone.’ We separate facts from spin and disinformation amid immigration raids
What's actually happening during the ICE sweeps and protests across Los Angeles.
However, here's the point:
HOW. DO. I. KNOW. THIS. PRESS. STORY. IS. TRUE?
From the same press organs who told me I couldn't believe what I saw with my own two eyes when it was BLM riots? Who told me I couldn't believe what I saw when it came to Joe Biden? From the same press organs who are SETTLING with this President instead of defending their First Amendment right to freedom of the press (not freedom to make stuff up) in court?
From the same people who despite the determination of the black POTUS with the black AG that "hands up don't shoot" NEVER HAPPENED, they won't call it out?
How do I know who is telling the truth?
I'm not even being difficult, I'm making the point why the press zooming off into "who do you believe, us or your own eyes" did as much long-term damage to the "institutions of this country" as did Trump. I will grant at the first stage that Trump's entire schtick stolen from Roy Cohn is to gaslight, project, accuse.
But given the track record of the media that last 20-30 years, how am I NOW supposed to believe them?
Again… everyone is caught up with the “support and defend the constitution part” of the oath of enlistment but no one likes to say the “obey the orders of the president of the United States” part. Nowhere in that oath does it says “I must interpret the constitutional conflict between a president nationalizing the national guard and a governor saying that is unconstitutional.” Nor does it say “ I must reject the president of the United States when he deploys me to a United States City”.
A soldier’s duty is to follow orders of his superiors. His highest superior is the President of the United States. Yes he has the right to question unethical orders but not to question whether the President is using the military in an unconstitutional manner. Yes he has the right to refuse orders to fire upon or arrest US civilians and non combatants, but he doesn’t have the right to refuse his unit’s mobilization to LA. The point is the military at the end of the day is the arm of the president. The chain of command has the president at the top of it no matter if he is Trump or Obama. So with the consistent changes between parties the military can not be political or expected to voice a concern of constitutionality of what the president orders them to do unless it’s something so immoral and inhumane that it’s obvious.
So expecting military brass to openly objecting to what their superior is gross misunderstanding of what the military is and how it functions. While it may not be reassuring but the vast majority of the military is closer to what Colonel Jessop and Captain Ramsey would see it than what Lt Kaffey and Commander Hunter would.
At the end of the day the President is the head of the military and he orders them who to invade, who they kill, and who they launch a nuke on. Any dissent to those orders on a political or constitutional ground cannot happen or else you are inviting a military coup to your streets. The Constitution provides checks to the President’s powers but nowhere does it say that the military is one of them… in fact it states the military is one of HIS constitutional powers.
And before someone brings up “well the Nazis were following orders too”. We are specifically talking about presidential policy of where deploying troops not killing innocent men, women, and children based on race, ethnicity, and sexuality. Yes as a soldier you have the expectation to refuse an obvious and blatant order that is inhumane, degrading, and cruel and unusual against people. But you don’t have the power and privilege to question the constitutionality of a deployment mandated by the president of the United states in public or amongst your troops.
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100%. You are opening the door for a bunch of Attaturks if you allow active military leaders to openly criticize the president’s policies.
Yep. It may be that the military is advising political leaders against such hyper-partisan speech on a military base (and carefully couching even that as advice not protest), but we in the public should never see that because it happens behind closed doors. The Atlantic writers seem unaware of that dynamic.
I'm reasonably certain those clowns are unaware of a lot of things.
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